Space Battleship Yamato 2202: Ai no Senshitachi (Soldiers of Love)

Not sure if anyone here is familiar with Yamato 2199 fan Haru on twitter, but for well over a year now, they've had a pet project building a CG Yamato, with particular attention to the hangar bays.

Back when writing the commentary for Episode 5, Haru's early work gave me the best insight available (alongside a small, faint process outline drawing in the Earth design book) at the time into how the rearward ring of fighters in the main hangar bay were transferred to the forward ring for launch.

Haru has recently hit a major milestone, posting a YouTube video of his CG work recreating the fighter launch scene from Episode 5. While I don't think he has it perfect, he offers the most in-depth explanation for how the fighters in the rear carousel get brought into the forward carousel for launch that I've seen.

In any case, it is very pretty to watch.
 
Nah, the Gatlanteans establish themselves to be a pretty big fucking threat. Hell, the opening of the movie shows them absolutely wrecking a Gamilon fleet that included a Zoelguut-class dreadnought, one of the few ships that could trade blow for blow with the Yamato. And while their ships were being destroyed in the movie's climax, keep in mind they were fighting the Yamato and a Gelvades-class battlecarrier, the former capable of taking on entire fleets and winning and the latter commanding a rather respectable amount of dakka, with only cruisers and destroyers. The Gatlanteans still haven't shown their main battleships and heavier carriers. I also wouldn't use their season 1 performance against them, considering they were fighting Domel, the man who, if not due to plot, would have ended the Yamato in their first encounter.

Let's look at the makeup of that fleet as well. The Gatlantean fleet we see in Episode 11 is mostly Lasceaux-class and Kukulikan-class ships, with a single Nazca-class medium carrier. It's a reconnaissance force at best, outnumbered and outclassed by a long way. Nothing that could be construed as a capital ship, and nowhere near the firepower that would have a chance of competing against Domel's fleet and level of organisation.


Anyway, here's a fanmade trailer for season 2. It features some interesting theories about what could happen. You'll need a nicovideo account to view it.
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Great trailer. I especially like that the creator was going for a much more realistic timeframe for the year. 2205 is a much more likely timeframe for Earth to be able to rebuild and rearm than the year straight after Yamato returned from Iscandar (in the original, Yamato returned to Earth in 2200, not 2199).

Keep in mind that Earth only has one other Iscandarian WM core, the one from Beemelas. I'm fairly certain the Iscandarian WM core is the main source of Yamato's power and that Earth would be incapable of producing cores anything remotely close to the efficiency or power the Iscandarian ones possess. The Beemelas core will likely go to the Andromeda when it's built.

I'm still researching official documentation on WM cores and WM energy; I'm yet to find any definitive evidence in the animation that they're anything more than miniaturised supercomputers, certainly nothing that suggests beyond a doubt that they contain some kind of mystical energy.

For plot purposes it would serve better to have them as computers, because they could be reverse engineered and built into the fleet ships en masse. Otherwise, you have only two ships (Yamato and Andromeda) which are capable of holding their own against Gatlantean forces, and equally as importantly, capable of getting around at anything more than a snail's pace. If they've got some sort of energy source in them, then it makes them almost impossible to replicate.
 
I'm still researching official documentation on WM cores and WM energy; I'm yet to find any definitive evidence in the animation that they're anything more than miniaturised supercomputers, certainly nothing that suggests beyond a doubt that they contain some kind of mystical energy.

For plot purposes it would serve better to have them as computers, because they could be reverse engineered and built into the fleet ships en masse. Otherwise, you have only two ships (Yamato and Andromeda) which are capable of holding their own against Gatlantean forces, and equally as importantly, capable of getting around at anything more than a snail's pace. If they've got some sort of energy source in them, then it makes them almost impossible to replicate.
With a more amicable Gamilas (as I really doubt they'd continue hostilities), I'm sure they'd share their own WM core tech.
 
With a more amicable Gamilas (as I really doubt they'd continue hostilities), I'm sure they'd share their own WM core tech.

They've got to keep the roof on during the transition to a post-Dessler, post-charismatic dictator consensus. See below for possible response to a sharing of technologies, highly relevant to national security at that, with a former enemy nation that attacked unprovoked and then cut a swathe through the Empire.

[grumbling fencesitting-but-patriotic Garmillan] I'll be damned if those faceless ministers and diplomats have the gall to give those blasted Terrons even more trump cards against the Empire without so much as a by-your-leave. Why, just look at what they did with one Wave Motion core! First Iscandar turns against us despite all the hard work of our dear leader, and now this? Dessler'd never allow such a thing. Why, if he were here... [/fencesitter has now become simmering Dessler loyalist due to perceived Stab In The Back]

Edit: In short, Dietz and co. don't really have the political capital to spend on such a manoeuvre and won't for a while, I think.

I'm not sure but I think the Deusura II's bridge-yacht ejects during episode 25. Abelt may try once more to bring peace to the galaxy for his beloved Starsha, but if or how he might get there remains to be seen.
 
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I'm not sure but I think the Deusura II's bridge-yacht ejects during episode 25. Abelt may try once more to bring peace to the galaxy for his beloved Starsha, but if or how he might get there remains to be seen.
Well...

Watch the detonation scene again. The ship itself may have blown to kingdom come, but the internal ship, the core component that wears the outer hull like a suit, actually ejected prior to the outer hull blowing up. The core ship is likely still intact.
 
With a more amicable Gamilas (as I really doubt they'd continue hostilities), I'm sure they'd share their own WM core tech.

They've got to keep the roof on during the transition to a post-Dessler, post-charismatic dictator consensus. See below for possible response to a sharing of technologies, highly relevant to national security at that, with a former enemy nation that attacked unprovoked and then cut a swathe through the Empire.

[grumbling fencesitting-but-patriotic Garmillan] I'll be damned if those faceless ministers and diplomats have the gall to give those blasted Terrons even more trump cards against the Empire without so much as a by-your-leave. Why, just look at what they did with one Wave Motion core! First Iscandar turns against us despite all the hard work of our dear leader, and now this? Dessler'd never allow such a thing. Why, if he were here... [/fencesitter has now become simmering Dessler loyalist due to perceived Stab In The Back]

Edit: In short, Dietz and co. don't really have the political capital to spend on such a manoeuvre and won't for a while, I think.

Even if they had sufficient political support, I don't think they have the military capital to spend on that. Hyss, Dietz and Co are going to have their hands full with an already-stretched military across a number of systems whose loyalty to the empire is questionable at best. They'll also have to deal with Gatlantis, whose presence in Ark confirmed they are encroaching upon the LMC. I foresee many of the outer worlds of the Garmillas empire bordering on the SMC side of the LMC will fall to Gatlantis in the coming months/years.

Meanwhile, I doubt Garmillas will be proceeding with any further military applications of WM energy. Starsha has dictated her displeasure with its use for war, and Hyss and Dietz don't seem to be the types who would see it as necessary anyway.

Well...

Watch the detonation scene again. The ship itself may have blown to kingdom come, but the internal ship, the core component that wears the outer hull like a suit, actually ejected prior to the outer hull blowing up. The core ship is likely still intact.

Yeah, I doubt that part of it is going to change from the original - I first saw the last four episodes in a Tokyo cinema, and when you're seeing it on a screen that big, the module seen ejecting at the last minute was as plain as day). They were never going to keep Desler irrevocably dead, he's too popular a character not to bring back.
 
On the subject of the White Comet Imperial Navy, versus the Garmillas Astro Navy, I'd put this fowards as a theory;

There is a definite gap between Garmillan naval power and whatever the White Comet Empire can offer--in fact, I'd go as far as to surmise that even with the Garmillan Civil War (unless it drags out for a really long time), Garmillas maintains that strategic advantage.

However, there are a few things we know about the Gatlanteans, at least from the production staff in post-2199/post-film interviews. The Gatlanteans aren't a colonial people (like the Zaltz are, and the Alterians were, grimly), though I'm pretty sure the two greenish-skinned women we do see in the series (one is Golick's slave girl, the other is a servant in the imperial palace) are Gatlanteans, as are the green-skinned males on the prison planet. The name's not just posturing, they do apparently have something that qualifies as an interstellar empire based out of the Small Magellanic Cloud (Gutaba province, though the exact geographic boundaries aren't given in the film). So they're not coming from Andromeda (you have to imagine that any power that could come from another galaxy and invade, like in the original show, would be nigh-unstoppable to anyone but our plucky heroes), but instead have a similar arrangement to Garmillas in the Large Magellanic Cloud.

It's not clear how long they've been fighting the Garmillas. Personally, I think it's a somewhat more recent development, if only because prior to the Yamato showing up, kicking ass, taking names, etc., the Garmillan Astro Navy would have wiped out the White Comet Empire if they had a hundred years to do it (turning the Gatlanteans into something like the Zaltz, if not exterminating them totally).

I don't think they're "tech thieves" in the strictest sense. Don't get me wrong, there is definitely a high level of reverse-engineering, and I doubt even Dagam would make up the whole "science slaves" practice for rhetoric only. But it's hard to picture that the White Comet Empire could have derived all their technology from Garmillas, or very recent finds from lost civilizations. They wouldn't have an actual empire, albeit a small one, if so. At least to me, it makes more sense that they already had a small empire prior to their war with Garmillas. I think the Gatlanteans, to some extent, a hard-nosed and pragmatic--they realized another interstellar empire existed, and in the handful of battles they could ilk out a victory in they tried to adopt as much as their technology as possible, which is how we get the force we see in-series. It might still be of inferior quality, they might have less nautical skill overall, and they certainly seem to be outnumbered (the Gutaba Expeditionary Fleet from the film seems to be the premiere military force, but is peanuts next to even your typical Garmillan fleet group). There might be some other factor that keeps the Garmillans from completely wiping the floor with them utterly (aside from bad timing--maybe the Gatlanteans are very good at repelling planetary invasions, and Garmillas is particularly interested actually occupying the White Comet Empire's worlds without totally obliterating them? Strategic constraints?).

"National polity and hegemony," as their head of government claimed (I'll repeat that ad nauseum I bet). The White Comet Empire has some imperial ambitions, obviously, but they're not the unstoppable force of God they were originally, or they probably wouldn't have lost two battles so catastrophically. With that, you actually get a force that could potentially pose a threat to the UN Cosmo Navy come next season, while not have upsetting the balance of power in the first. Of course, come season 2 the details could roll out and prove me entirely incorrect, but at least in my mind that kind of works out.
 
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I do have a number of points to respond to on the last post, but I've been busy this week between work and writing.

However, I'm sure everyone who doesn't know already will want to know this: Tuesday's update at ourstarblazers.com will feature the interview with Shoji Nishizaki in the November volume of the Yamato Crew Premium's Ship's Log, which will give us an update on the progress with the next series.
 
I do have a number of points to respond to on the last post, but I've been busy this week between work and writing.

However, I'm sure everyone who doesn't know already will want to know this: Tuesday's update at ourstarblazers.com will feature the interview with Shoji Nishizaki in the November volume of the Yamato Crew Premium's Ship's Log, which will give us an update on the progress with the next series.

I'm bracing myself to be immediately refuted. My one story reflects that fact. :o
 
Isn't that the flying comet capital?
That's cutting it short.
White Comet is a flying asteroid castle traveling faster than light, faster than some other ships do via their warp drive. It's surrounded in an aura which disintegrates anything it touches, even planets. The only reason Earth had a chance is because Teresa sacrificed herself by using her antimatter abilities to turn her planet into energy and then blast the White Comet with it all. This weakened the shields enough that the White Comet was now approachable. Albeit its backup shield was still so powerful it could tank ten Wave Motion Guns firing at it without even flinching.
Yamato beat the comet empire by abusing both of the castle's weakpoints in the shield at once and even then they were only a hairline away from annihilation.
The White Comet Empire in the original series is the most threatening opponent the original Yamato cast had by far. Perhaps after the tons of upgrades they received they could beat White Comet with more ease but at the time of their attack humanity was just way out of the Comet Empire's league.
And not like Earth was just sitting around twindling their thumbs as by this time the Yamato was considered ridiculously obsolete compared to the rest of their fleet.

On a different note, Gamillas didn't disappear in the original Yamato series, either. Hell, Kodai and Dessler became bros by the second or third movie. Dessler in the original was both more cruel and yet more decent overall. He truly worked for the future of his people and kept doing that decades after the Gamillas' fall.
 
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That's cutting it short.
White Comet is a flying asteroid castle traveling faster than light, faster than some other ships do via their warp drive. It's surrounded in an aura which disintegrates anything it touches, even planets. The only reason Earth had a chance is because Teresa sacrificed herself by using her antimatter abilities to turn her planet into energy and then blast the White Comet with it all. This weakened the shields enough that the White Comet was now approachable. Albeit its backup shield was still so powerful it could tank ten Wave Motion Guns firing at it without even flinching.
Yamato beat the comet empire by abusing both of the castle's weakpoints in the shield at once and even then they were only a hairline away from annihilation.
The White Comet Empire in the original series is the most threatening opponent the original Yamato cast had by far. Perhaps after the tons of upgrades they received they could beat White Comet with more ease but at the time of their attack humanity was just way out of the Comet Empire's league.
And not like Earth was just sitting around twindling their thumbs as by this time the Yamato was considered ridiculously obsolete compared to the rest of their fleet.

On a different note, Gamillas didn't disappear in the original Yamato series, either. Hell, Kodai and Dessler became bros by the second or third movie. Dessler in the original was both more cruel and yet more decent overall. He truly worked for the future of his people and kept doing that decades after the Gamillas' fall.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the White Comet is going to be less powerful in this.
 
Probably. Albeit I also have the suspicion that regardless the White Comet will be OP as fuck in relative to the setting.
Most likely it's going to no sell everything Earth throws at it until they find its weakness.
Things seem to scale relatively well in 2199. And given that all their ships were just cannon fodder...

Well, if the White Comet is invincible, I've got a feeling it'll be due to tech from an ancient civilization. Gatlantean ships seem to be mostly useless unless they have superweapons installed on them. Not even superweapons they made themselves.
 
There's a theory that the White Comet is Aquarius in origin, and that part of the reason they were looking for the Celestial Ark is for parts to repair it.
 
Also, the episode 17 commentary puts up an interesting theory.

It's never said what happens to Yurisha's ship. It could be the Yamato actually uses the armor and parts from the Iscandarian ship, explaining why it's so tough even without the Wave Motion Shields.
 
Also, the episode 17 commentary puts up an interesting theory.

It's never said what happens to Yurisha's ship. It could be the Yamato actually uses the armor and parts from the Iscandarian ship, explaining why it's so tough even without the Wave Motion Shields.
Unlikely as hell. Yurisha's ship is not even a thousandth of the Yamato's mass.
Maybe they did reverse engineer the materials of Yurisha's ship but I think timeline wise the Yamato was being built on even before that so it's also a bit unlikely.
The fact Yurisha's ship totaled from crashing on Mars while the Yamato survived even worse impacts during the series kind of puts the nail on the coffin for this theory.

And who the hell needs shields? The original Yamato certainly didn't have one in general.
My personal theory is that the ship is made of Japanese Steel Folded Thousands of TimesTM​
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
The fact Yurisha's ship totaled from crashing on Mars while the Yamato survived even worse impacts during the series kind of puts the nail on the coffin for this theory.
Well, Yurisha's escape pod was very intact for the crash. The ship itself was totaled because it kind of exploded in midair.
 
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