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Space Battleship Yamato 2202: Ai no Senshitachi (Soldiers of Love)

Keep in mind that Earth only has one other Iscandarian WM core, the one from Beemelas. I'm fairly certain the Iscandarian WM core is the main source of Yamato's power and that Earth would be incapable of producing cores anything remotely close to the efficiency or power the Iscandarian ones possess. The Beemelas core will likely go to the Andromeda when it's built.
 
skaianDestiny said:
Keep in mind that Earth only has one other Iscandarian WM core, the one from Beemelas. I'm fairly certain the Iscandarian WM core is the main source of Yamato's power and that Earth would be incapable of producing cores anything remotely close to the efficiency or power the Iscandarian ones possess. The Beemelas core will likely go to the Andromeda when it's built.
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In the old series every battleship-grade Earth ship has a WMG; dunno what would the pacifism in the new series change...
 
Ah yes, given the greater focus on the bad guys this time around, I have the feeling that the Gatlanteans are in for some internal strife this season. Having a clan based society might do that, and I expect the Yamato will take advantage of it, intentionally or not.
 
skaianDestiny said:
The Gamilas Gechtam drives are basically Iscandarian WM cores that are less advanced. I bet the regular EDF ships either won't have as powerful shields or won't have them at all, at least not the smaller ones, justifying them dying like mooks.
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I guess that explains why there are so many "Break out the Museum Piece Yamato" movies in the SBY franchise, even centuries after it was made.

Azecreth said:
Ah yes, given the greater focus on the bad guys this time around, I have the feeling that the Gatlanteans are in for some internal strife this season. Having a clan based society might do that, and I expect the Yamato will take advantage of it, intentionally or not.
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The Gatlanteans are rife with internal power struggles, if the movie was anything to go off of.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
I see her as being a major figure in the upcoming season.
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Considering she's Sabella (Invidia in Star Blazers), Zwordar's left-hand woman and Dessler's main antagonist besides the Yamato in season 2 of the original series, of course she's going to be a major figure.
TheBleachDoctor said:
I hope so too. I wonder if Gamilan space entered a state of civil war?
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Pretty likely, especially when Dessler shows his face again (come on, you KNOW he's not dead).
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Her eyebrows could smash galaxies.
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If I could wear mine like that I totally would.

edit: smash galaxies? she's already smashed her way into my heart ;_;

skaianDestiny said:
Considering she's Sabella (Invidia in Star Blazers), Zwordar's left-hand woman and Dessler's main antagonist besides the Yamato in season 2 of the original series, of course she's going to be a major figure.

Pretty likely, especially when Dessler shows his face again (come on, you KNOW he's not dead).
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Having only the vaguest recollection of the original series, I can't remember if he dies or not. That being said, we thought he'd karked it last time, only for him to show up on Das Space Boot. Until I see a body, I'm not calling it either way.
 
Claudette Savagely said:
If I could wear mine like that I totally would.

edit: smash galaxies? she's already smashed her way into my heart ;_;
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I see you've found your space waifu.

Claudette Savagely said:
Having only the vaguest recollection of the original series, I can't remember if he dies or not. That being said, we thought he'd karked it last time, only for him to show up on Das Space Boot. Until I see a body, I'm not calling it either way.
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And remember that fancy thing most Gamilon Capital ships can do. The escape Bridge.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
The Gatlanteans are rife with internal power struggles, if the movie was anything to go off of.
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Yes, but thus far they've been beneath the surface and mainly efforts to politically upstage people. I expect that without the unifying threat of Dessler's Gamilas kicking down their door, those conflicts will come to the surface and break into open violence.

skaianDestiny said:
Pretty likely, especially when Dessler shows his face again (come on, you KNOW he's not dead).
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"Damn it, I can't believe we fell for it again"
 
skaianDestiny said:
The Gamilas Gechtam drives are basically Iscandarian WM cores that are less advanced. I bet the regular EDF ships either won't have as powerful shields or won't have them at all, at least not the smaller ones, justifying them dying like mooks.
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Wave Motion shielding is a reboot only thing; the first Tv series has "magnetic coating", which is a literal last minute asspull for Yamato to reflect Dessler's middle finger gun. So, no equivalent for other EDF ships.
 
Claudette Savagely said:
Having only the vaguest recollection of the original series, I can't remember if he dies or not. That being said, we thought he'd karked it last time, only for him to show up on Das Space Boot. Until I see a body, I'm not calling it either way.
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Azecreth said:
"Damn it, I can't believe we fell for it again"
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Dessler is literally the other protagonist of the SBY series. Especially during the Dark Nebula arc, where he receives the majority of his characterization (love for Starsha, etc.). He has as much plot shields as the Yamato does. :p
 
skaianDestiny said:
Keep in mind that Earth only has one other Iscandarian WM core, the one from Beemelas. I'm fairly certain the Iscandarian WM core is the main source of Yamato's power and that Earth would be incapable of producing cores anything remotely close to the efficiency or power the Iscandarian ones possess. The Beemelas core will likely go to the Andromeda when it's built.
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Or a space carrier. Enterprise maybe? *nudges @TheBleachDoctor*
 
Something humorous I just realized.

So when Starsha found the elder Kodai, the dude was already on the way to his deathbed, and it was implied he was going to kick the bucket rather fast.
Maybe a week or so?

But it's also heavily implied that Starsha is carrying his child.

So apparently her thoughts went like

"Oh, dying alien"

"I gotta have me a piece of that."
:V
 
Posted a bunch of recs at the fic thread, check em out! And if you have any you want to add, feel free to let me know!

Anyway, I'm going to crosspost some musings I had over at AnimeSuki.
On Gamilon turrets said:
Ithekro said:
I do wonder why that was decided? Both this ship and the improved battleship have two triple long barreled turrets on the upper deck while the remaining batteries are of the older barrel-less style.
They are even listed differently as positron beams and positron cannons. While Yamato has positron impact "shock" cannons. This is all antimatter beam weaponry (positrons are the antimatter equivalent of electrons).
Dommel's ship has quad barrel-less batteries (49 cm and triple 33 cm) while Dessler's battleship has triple barreled main cannons (48 cm and 33 cm) as well as some barrel-less batteries (33 cm).
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TZoli said:
The barrelled ones probably give more firepower and/or accuracy and range (like a real world longer barrel of a gun is more accurate and the shell could fly further due to more stable flying path) or it could provide more firepower because more guns can be mounted of less energy consumption.
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I concur with better firepower and range. However I disagree with less energy consumption.

Look at the Meltoria vs the Destroia. The Destroia mounts a full set of 4 330mm triple mount beam turrets. However the Meltoria, which shares the same design aesthetics as the Haizerad, which is explicitly a newer design, mounts 2 330mm triple mount cannon turrets and 2 280mm triple mount be turrets. In exchange for the cannons the remaining turrets have gone down in caliber.

Since the Meltoria is only 13m longer than the Destroia, and is actually slimmer, you can infer they have roughly the same power output and that the cannons consume more energy than similar caliber beams. If you look at the Haizerad it has the same armament as the Gaiderol except for the two dorsal turrets which have been upgraded from beams to cannons. The Haizerad is a full 43m longer than the Gaiderol, with the engine block noticeably lengthened. Thus you can infer they had to upgrade the engine to power the cannons as well.

Then look at the Gelvades, which boasts the highest turret count out of all the Gamilon ships as well as a good number of cannons. However the caliber of the guns are noticeably smaller than other ships of the same size; the largest guns are 280mm and it has a total of 12 guns that are 133mm in size. In order to power all those guns they went with quantity over quality.

More later.
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On the Gamilon ship classification said:
For clarification on my "Class 1", "Class 2" comment, if you look at the description for the Meltoria-class, it says the ships are the "largest of the Class-2 ships". The names of the Zoelguut and the Deusura II also include the fact that they're "Class-1 Combatant Ships". So here are my thoughts:

We've only seen the smaller Gamilas vessels, in other words the Meltoria, Destroia, Kelkapia, and Kriptera classes, referred to by names such as EX-178 and EX-1604. Numbers only, which fits with the fact that they're mass-produced.

Then you get to the battleships and other capital ships. The Gaiderol is the smallest capital ship in the Gamilas line up, and we have names for two ships, Le Chevalierand Goergamesh. The 2 named Haizerads are Shangri-La and Kilmenaim. The 3 Gelvades are named Darold, Mirangel, and Nirvales, and the Guipellons are Lambea,Schderg, and Balgrey. The Zoelguuts are named the Zergut, Domelaze, and Deusura, and then we obviously have the Deusura II. You get my point.

It seems the Gamilas divide their ship classes between cruisers and below and capital ships, which are Class-2 and Class-1 respectively. Class-2 vessels get a number to denote them as if they tried to name them all they'd quickly run out of names. Class-1 vessels, as they're much rarer, get a name, which for some seem to be related to the name of the commander if they're a general.
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On ship design philosophy I said:
Ithekro said:
I do want them to make a 1/1000 scale of Dessler's flagship. I don't know if I'd buy one, but probably, just like we did for Dommel's flagship. A reward to Bandai for making it.
It is currently the most heavily armed flagship Dessler has had. Even more so than the monstrously large one he had In Yamato III.
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Yeah, while the beam turrets are all blocked by the front hull, the Deusura II can bring to bear 8x3 330mm cannons and 4x3 480mm cannons forwards. If it wasn't in the gate corridor dimension, the Yamato would have been pretty badly hurt. Not to mention all the torpedo tubes it has.

Speaking of which, it's a shame we don't see the Gamilons utilizing their torpedo tubes a lot more. They seem to be in love with those things, as every ship except the carriers mounts at least 2. Even the lander! While their gun firepower is actually less than the heavy cruiser and battlecruiser, the Gaiderol and Haizerad have 33torpedo tubes, and the Zoelguut mounts a respectable amount too. The potential for missile spam is pretty big.

Speaking of missile spam, the Gamilons don't seem to be using AA that much. While the torpedoes and missiles can double for interception, the cruisers don't have much in the way of AA. The aft double-mount rapid-fire cannon on the Kripitera could also work as an AA gun, but it lacks volume of fire compared to a smaller gun.

The mainline battleships, Gelvades, and Deusura II core ship all mount AA guns in varying amounts of single and quad-mount turrets, but we haven't seen them in action at all. We did see the Balgrey use her AA guns, but it was kind of sad really, only managing to take out a single fighter, and not even managing to shoot down the two missiles the fighter launcher (RIP Kobashi).

On the extreme other end, the Gatlanteans seem to make use of a lot of AA, and their main turrets can double as AA too.
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On ship design philosophy II said:
So thinking more on the design philosophy of each faction we've seen, it struck me how multi-purpose Gatlantean ships are. The Lascaux and Kukulkan mount torpedoes, guns, and missiles, the Nazca loads some pretty hefty weaponry for a carrier, and the Medaluza, in addition to its Flame Strike Gun and giant fucking turret, has a flight of fighters. Speaking of the fighters, the Devastator fulfills the fighter, interception, and anti-ship roles.

Considering the Gatlanteans are likely nomadic, it makes sense they'd try to fit as much functionality into their ships as possible.

Meanwhile, the Gamilons have a massive empire of resources and forces at their disposal, meaning they're able to specialize their ships a lot more. Their two carriers have little in the way of armor or weaponry, and many of their ships lack point defense, most likely relying on the cruisers and destroyers for interception. A lot of their designs also have most of the firepower facing forward.

Earth invests in ships that have turrets capable of shooting in wide arcs. Since they have a smaller navy than other factions, each ship would be expected to fight multiple enemy ships. The WMG on basically every ship functions as a "do or die" weapon, as if Earth ships got in a battle the stakes are a lot higher for them than say a Gamilon patrol group in a border system. It's also an effective fleet-killer.
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I looked at the close-ups of the roundel turrets firing (the larger dome ones, not the cone-shaped ones), and it appears they have the same barrel opening as the giant quintuple turret's guns do on the Megaluda.


Second, it appears the beams are comprised of at least three, most likely four smaller beams.

Now, the question is why do the Gatlanteans have the barrel dividers on their guns? Maybe it increases the life expectancy of the barrel? Or maybe it uses less energy to power 4 smaller beams than 1 larger one?
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On the power of the Flame Strike Gun said:
We can actually calculate the power of the Flame Strike Cannon. In the movie, the little data screen of the planetoid gives its size and other info. We're also shown the size of the melted crust where the Flame Strike Cannon hit the planetoid. I don't have experience with this, but you can calculate the yield of the FSC with this information.

I have figured out that the FSC is orders of magnitude weaker than the WMG. The planetoid is a fraction of the size of the Moon, and the WMG could probably destroy the Moon in a single shot considering it annihilates a continent stated to be the size of Australia. Still, it's a devastating weapon on the fleet scale.
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So some additional thoughts on the Gatlanteans: watching their warp-out, it strikes me as very "messy". As it is similar to the Warp Gates' exit, I have a feeling they simply jury-rigged Aquarius warp tech to their ships. Compare this to the Gamilas warp, which is clean and efficient, speaking of a refined technology. The Yamato's warp is a bit more elaborate, but it's still much cleaner than the Gatlantean warp, which creates a ring that spits out a plume made out of a cloud-like substance, then bursting and revealing the ship which still has to use it vernier thrusters to stabilize itself. In addition, once the cloud bursts, the ring seems to suck back in the majority of the cloud.



It's clearly crude and messy, and really fits the Gatlantean "hat" of technology barbarians slap-dashing any tech they find.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Something humorous I just realized.

So when Starsha found the elder Kodai, the dude was already on the way to his deathbed, and it was implied he was going to kick the bucket rather fast.
Maybe a week or so?

But it's also heavily implied that Starsha is carrying his child.

So apparently her thoughts went like

"Oh, dying alien"

"I gotta have me a piece of that."
:V
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Imagine it from Mamoru's side, seducing a beautiful alien queen in just a few short weeks.

Kirk would be proud. :p
 
skaianDestiny said:
Anyway, I'm going to crosspost some musings I had over at AnimeSuki.
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Those are some great observations.
May I also point out that Gamilon Dreadnoughts like the Zoelgutt and Domelaze's main guns, you know, those quintuple turrets? They don't fire one coherent beam like standard Gamilon weapons. Rather, if you look closely, they fire triple-beams intertwined into one combined shot, like the Yamato's main turrets.

And that's each barrel individually.

Perhaps that's why that class of ships cannot mount the extended barrel configuration? After all, if you don't have to make room extra elevation equipment and the space needed for the cannon itself to move, then you can fit a much bigger cannon in the turret and only worry about the traverse motor. The ship can angle itself, after all. But if you have equipment for elevating the barrel, then that leaves less room for the weapon itself, meaning that you sacrifice firepower for greater aiming flexibility.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Those are some great observations.
May I also point out that Gamilon Dreadnoughts like the Zoelgutt and Domelaze's main guns, you know, those quintuple turrets? They don't fire one coherent beam like standard Gamilon weapons. Rather, if you look closely, they fire triple-beams intertwined into one combined shot, like the Yamato's main turrets.

And that's each barrel individually.

Perhaps that's why that class of ships cannot mount the extended barrel configuration? After all, if you don't have to make room extra elevation equipment and the space needed for the cannon itself to move, then you can fit a much bigger cannon in the turret and only worry about the traverse motor. The ship can angle itself, after all. But if you have equipment for elevating the barrel, then that leaves less room for the weapon itself, meaning that you sacrifice firepower for greater aiming flexibility.
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Actually all Gamilon positron beams have this same ability. It accounts for why you see three beams fired, yet in some shots you only see 1 beam.

I feel like the positron cannons (the ones with barrels) are a newer design. More modern ships have them, with the Deusura II fielding the most and the largest caliber ones.
 
skaianDestiny said:
Actually all Gamilon positron beams have this same ability. It accounts for why you see three beams fired, yet in some shots you only see 1 beam.
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I don't think so. I think the shots diverged. Even when you see only one beam, it's coherent.

Combined beams aren't coherent (with possible Gatlantean exception) instead appearing to be three beams spiraling around one another. They also form a translucent bubble aroudn themselves.

The Super-Dreadnought's main guns do this rather clearly, and it's not seen elsewhere.

skaianDestiny said:
I feel like the positron cannons (the ones with barrels) are a newer design. More modern ships have them, with the Deusura II fielding the most and the largest caliber ones.
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That probably is the case. Because the previous design had a major flaw, one that is obvious if you think about it. Its ability to aim is directly tied to the ship's ability to maneuver. If it loses the latter, it loses the former, which is a definite problem.

The practical example of that flaw was during the Rainbow Cluster battle, where the Domelaze got caught in an Ion Storm, which rocked the ship back and forth. The main guns could not be brought to bear, and since that was the ship's only major weapon, it was at the mercy of the Yamato.

I imagine this flaw was made evident in similar fashion elsewhere, perhaps against the Gatlanteans?

As a side note, I wonder about the Gatlantean beam weaponry.
Why are they mounted the way they are? Wouldn't charging, say, 8 cannons in one turret be harder than charging 1 single one? Isn't it a drain on power? Yes, it quickly allows for changing of targets, since there is no blind spot or traverse to worry about, but you can only fit a bunch of small guns into it rather than one big one.
 
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