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Space Battleship Yamato 2202: Ai no Senshitachi (Soldiers of Love)

SeaSirocco said:
Exploration would be a good use for her considering she was designed for exploration in a sense. I think training ship would be a bit of a waste though. She may be the oldest Earth Wave Motion ship, but she's still only about six years old, on top of being one of the more powerful ships.
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Though I could see the Yamato playing training ship to get new crew members up to snuff before going on an exploration mission just so they don't have to go through the making it up as they go thing they were doing on the trip to Iscandar plus letting them test out any new toys that were added in the refit.
 
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Ithekro said:
Earth's had a few years to refit Yamato since the end of the War with Gatlantis. I would guess she's being assigned to space exploration. Though she could be a training ship, since she is the oldest wave motion powered ship in the fleet.
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Exploration would be an amazing use of her, since she's the only Cosmo Navy ship that isn't purpose-built to be FULL WARSHIP.

Every other ship that would have filled that role either got smashed to bits by Gatlantis, or is Ginga, which might not fit the exploration role very well due to all the last-minute refits before she launched. If she does get refit back into Exploration/Colonization, though, she could tag along with Yamato.
 
excalibur2008 said:
Can they rethink the whole no weapons things, becuase its a nice message but not practical when the universe has several hostile empires running around.
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The no weapons thing was some Cosmo Reverse shenanigans, and considering that thing is about toast now, they could probably get Ginga's armament back online.
That reminds me, what's the state of the EDF post-2202? Have they gotten a decent fleet back together? I know they has a few dreadnoughts and patrol cruisers before the time fault went kaput.
 
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They had six months to use the Time Fault before Ginga/Yamato collapsed it. While some of that might have been to repair the surviving ships, they would still have the Dreadnought production maxed out for the equivalent of five years of construction, plus whatever Gamilas ships and Andromeda types they could manage.

Now the got a year or two of regular production around the year 2204. Depending on when the new series starts and when in 2203 the Time Fault was collapsed.
 
It'd be pretty hilarious if the Earth government discover that they are unable to actually build new ships on their own now, since the Time Fault probably put every company that used to build ships and armaments out of business.
 
The Ginga definitely has weapons now, we saw it blasting Moon debris with its main cannons in the last episode. As for the fleet, they had Dreadnoughts, Murasames, patrol cruisers and escort frigates left at Mars, and the Yuunagi along with a few more Murasames evacuated the crew before the Yamato rammed the Comet. We also see more dark blue automated Dreads coming out of the Time Fault before its destruction. The UNCF seems to be focusing on producing those ships, which are reminiscent of the drone fleet from Be Forever, so I assume they'll make up the bulk of the navy in 2205. Not sure if the cruisers and the frigates will have a big role, since aside from the beginning of the battle of Saturn they were kept out of major fleet battles against Gatlantis and seemed pretty outmatched by the Karakrum spam, or if any normal grey Dreads are still being produced. Murasames and Isokazes are probably not going to take part in active combat anymore, while refitted Kongos might still have a place thanks to their WMGs. Oh and they have those freighters Kobayashi pulled from Resurrection, which have like one turret and a small "deck-hat" like the Apollo Norm, but they're probably not desperate enough to use them as actual warships

Achilles, Antares and Aldebaran were also at Mars and are presumably still around, but the rest of the Andromeda variants seem to have been taken out. Amaterasu looked somewhat salvageable to me since it had little apparent hull damage, but I doubt we'll see it again unfortunately. We also know there will be a carrier variant of the Dreadnought, maybe as a way of producing command ships that are efficient enough while also being cheaper than the Andromedas. It would be nice if they introduced the battlecruiser from the OG series 2 as a similar economic alternative to the Dreadnought spam, I liked that design. Alternatively I hope the normal Dreadnought gets a bit of a power boost, because while it did kick more ass in 2202 than it ever did, I'd prefer to see it portrayed as an actual capital ship instead of the cannon fodder it ended up becoming. Now that Earth has to rely on normal production delays, it'd make sense for them to produce less numerous but more powerful ships.

Speaking of the UNCF, I'm beginning to fear we won't get those patrol cruiser and escort frigate models, it's been a while since they were teased. No Amaterasu, Aquarius or Garmdromedas either... they could've at least made them into Mecha Collection sets. What was the point of putting all those background ships if they're not even going to make any merchandise of them ?
 
ZQFMGB said:
Speaking of the UNCF, I'm beginning to fear we won't get those patrol cruiser and escort frigate models, it's been a while since they were teased. No Amaterasu, Aquarius or Garmdromedas either... they could've at least made them into Mecha Collection sets. What was the point of putting all those background ships if they're not even going to make any merchandise of them ?
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Yeah, the cruiser and patrol ships are ridiculously overdue. There hasn't been any sort of news in over a year. Real hoping for an Amaterasu kit at some point.
 
I would assume the patrol cruiser/escort kit would come out with the 2202 film, or they will find a way to feature some early in 2205 and release it then.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
It'd be pretty hilarious if the Earth government discover that they are unable to actually build new ships on their own now, since the Time Fault probably put every company that used to build ships and armaments out of business.
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I'm still feeling robbed of Garmillas built Earth ships, it feels like they kinda dropped the ball on that concept.
Ithekro said:
I would assume the patrol cruiser/escort kit would come out with the 2202 film, or they will find a way to feature some early in 2205 and release it then.
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Hoping that's the case.
 
SeaSirocco said:
I'm still feeling robbed of Garmillas built Earth ships, it feels like they kinda dropped the ball on that concept.
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There are quite a few things that happened in 2202 that would have widespread lore consequences, but get kinda brushed over due to the focus on the plot. Which is fine I guess.
Although it is strange how the Time Fault didn't absolutely decimate Earth's shipbuilding market (seriously did none of the companies that used to make ships wonder where their business suddenly vanished to?).
There's also the horrifying fact that Sanada designed and built a Wave Motion missile-drill, miniaturizing planet-busters and possibly dooming the universe if they ever get into circulation.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Although it is strange how the Time Fault didn't absolutely decimate Earth's shipbuilding market (seriously did none of the companies that used to make ships wonder where their business suddenly vanished to?).
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Civilian ships wouldn't be built in the Time Fault, so they would still have that market. Plus, I imagine that a few of the Kongos, Murasames and Isokazes were built outside the Time Fault. That reminds me though, was the shipyard in the Time Fault destroyed alongside the Time Fault itself?

TheBleachDoctor said:
There's also the horrifying fact that Sanada designed and built a Wave Motion missile-drill, miniaturizing planet-busters and possibly dooming the universe if they ever get into circulation.
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My memory's a bit fuzzy, did the drills have wave motion guns, or were they just very explodey because of wave motion energy? I'm surprised that they still let Sanada on the front lines, considering he's like, Super Oppenheimer.
 
SeaSirocco said:
Civilian ships wouldn't be built in the Time Fault, so they would still have that market. Plus, I imagine that a few of the Kongos, Murasames and Isokazes were built outside the Time Fault. That reminds me though, was the shipyard in the Time Fault destroyed alongside the Time Fault itself?
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Oh, you're right that the older ships would likely be built outside the Time Fault. I just hope that the techniques used to build the newer Andromedas and Dreadnoughts aren't too far away from the old hulls, so that when the Cosmo Navy tries to switch over to manual labor the shipyards don't go "You want us to do what now?"
But I think the shipyard was destroyed?

SeaSirocco said:
My memory's a bit fuzzy, did the drills have wave motion guns, or were they just very explodey because of wave motion energy? I'm surprised that they still let Sanada on the front lines, considering he's like, Super Oppenheimer.
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Very explodey because of Wave Motion Energy. Although notably we only ever see them used against planetary bodies and similarly-sized stellar objects. The first time it was used to destroy the planetary shell around Teressa's planet, which struck me as more of a precision use since it didn't destroy the planet underneath. That made it seem like it's more of a specific use-case scenario, which would mean it couldn't be used conventionally, but then they got deployed en-masse against Gatlantis and proceeded to explode like actual bombs, and given the relative size of the explosions compared to Gatlantis itself it would indicate that no, they are planet-busters.
 
The shipyards are still likely mostly automated. Even before the Time Fault was found. Planetary extinction level events dwindle the manpower and skill sets available. I can imagine most of the remaining shipyards would have been nationalized during the planet bombing campaign. Companies would still get money from use if their intellectual property...so whoever did the design work for the Andromeda and Dreadnoughts made mint so some degree. I would think the Time Fault's shipyard could still be used (though it would be rather old now), Just without the alternate dimension around it, it would build at normal speed. It would need to be repaired a bit I think. Its like 25 years old in constant production. If anything else it would need some major retooling to convert the Gamilas part of the yard over to new Earth projects.


TheBleachDoctor said:
Very explodey because of Wave Motion Energy. Although notably we only ever see them used against planetary bodies and similarly-sized stellar objects. The first time it was used to destroy the planetary shell around Teressa's planet, which struck me as more of a precision use since it didn't destroy the planet underneath. That made it seem like it's more of a specific use-case scenario, which would mean it couldn't be used conventionally, but then they got deployed en-masse against Gatlantis and proceeded to explode like actual bombs, and given the relative size of the explosions compared to Gatlantis itself it would indicate that no, they are planet-busters.
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I can imagine the Wave Motion Drill Missiles being the evolutionary step to the large planet destroying missiles used in Yamato III.
 
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Interesting. Three carrier models.
Earth supply ship Asuka DADE-01, in 1/1000 scale
Dessler's red battlecarrier (smaller kit)
A newer version of the Gamilas multi-deck carrier. (smaller kit)
 
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I didn't post the multideck carrier because as far as I can tell it's just one of the 2199 kits in a different colour. I think this is the first time we've gotten a full view of Dessler's new battle carrier. It doesn't seem to have the usual Garmillas eyes, which is interesting. Also, it's really red, it looks almost like it's unpainted. I think it would benefit from more shades of red like Darold. I'm wondering if the name of Asuka is an Eva reference considering that there were no IJN carriers with that name.
 
Didn't expect the first confirmation of the new ship designs to be from Bandai Spirits, but whatever, those are nice models. I wanna buy 'em.
 
That would make some sense since its the only carrier they have that can support larger craft in numbers. The other carriers don't have the deck space or open enough hanger spaces. Only the Nue Bulgrey has the deck park area to come close. Probably a reason for the Yamato III era Six Deck carrier.
 
Yesssss, a new UNCF ship ! They seem to have fixed some of the most glaring flaws of the original battlecarriers : the landing area is no longer just above the engines, the runway has been expanded and there are more point-defense turrets (amusingly even Bandai can't seem to make them fit properly on the model :V ). Grey and orange is a good color scheme for it, although I do wish they'd kept some kind of consistency in the overall coloring of the navy. It's kind of all over the place by now.
I'm a bit confused by the apparent lack of a WMG though, especially since a carrier is probably the best ship on which to put one. Is the UNCF going to follow Kodai's whining advice and stop using them unless in desperate situations ? I do hope that there is one that could be unlocked if needs be, because otherwise it's a massive waste of space.

Garmillas stuff is cool too I guess. The Darold could use some more colors but it's a mecha collection kit, so it might not be fully accurate in terms of details and coloring. Dessler naming yet another ship after himself isn't a great sign for his redemption arc, on which I'm still not sold. I really hope 2205 doesn't drop the democratic Garmillas plot to immediately go full "GHARE DESSLER, GENOCIDE AND YEARS OF TYRANNY FORGIVEN", because the ending of 2202 kind of hinted at that and it would suck hard.
 
ZQFMGB said:
Yesssss, a new UNCF ship ! They seem to have fixed some of the most glaring flaws of the original battlecarriers : the landing area is no longer just above the engines, the runway has been expanded and there are more point-defense turrets (amusingly even Bandai can't seem to make them fit properly on the model :V ). Grey and orange is a good color scheme for it, although I do wish they'd kept some kind of consistency in the overall coloring of the navy. It's kind of all over the place by now.
I'm a bit confused by the apparent lack of a WMG though, especially since a carrier is probably the best ship on which to put one. Is the UNCF going to follow Kodai's whining advice and stop using them unless in desperate situations ? I do hope that there is one that could be unlocked if needs be, because otherwise it's a massive waste of space.
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If the UNCF is going for more specialized ships and gravitating away from Jack of All Trades ships, then it might make sense to take the WMG out of a Carrier Dreadnought. More weapons systems means more things to maintain, and more supplies that ship will require. Besides, Carriers of any sort don't belong in a battle line. Sure, you could also utilize it as a WMG platform, but really it makes more sense to remove a Carrier from the field of battle entirely so that if the operation goes tits-up, surviving fighters have somewhere to return to.

ZQFMGB said:
Garmillas stuff is cool too I guess. The Darold could use some more colors but it's a mecha collection kit, so it might not be fully accurate in terms of details and coloring. Dessler naming yet another ship after himself isn't a great sign for his redemption arc, on which I'm still not sold. I really hope 2205 doesn't drop the democratic Garmillas plot to immediately go full "GHARE DESSLER, GENOCIDE AND YEARS OF TYRANNY FORGIVEN", because the ending of 2202 kind of hinted at that and it would suck hard.
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Yeah. If they're gonna redeem Desler I'd rather see a long arc of character development rather than 2202's rather rushed "Actually I had reasons and I'm a different person now" exposition episode.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
If the UNCF is going for more specialized ships and gravitating away from Jack of All Trades ships, then it might make sense to take the WMG out of a Carrier Dreadnought. More weapons systems means more things to maintain, and more supplies that ship will require. Besides, Carriers of any sort don't belong in a battle line. Sure, you could also utilize it as a WMG platform, but really it makes more sense to remove a Carrier from the field of battle entirely so that if the operation goes tits-up, surviving fighters have somewhere to return to.
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I think this ship is a supply ship, which is why it has colouring similar to the Kisaragi and a sealed WMG.
TheBleachDoctor said:
Yeah. If they're gonna redeem Desler I'd rather see a long arc of character development rather than 2202's rather rushed "Actually I had reasons and I'm a different person now" exposition episode.
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Same. 2202 really dropped the ball when it came to him IMO, though 2199 didn't make it easy for them.
 
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