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Space Battleship Yamato 2202: Ai no Senshitachi (Soldiers of Love)

Both myself and others have also iterated numerous complaints against aspects of 2202 multiple times in past pages of this thread. As there is no new content, and pretty much all said content has already been discussed and debated about, there is no purpose to reiterating said discussion. It'll undoubtedly run over the same points, revive the same grievances, and ultimately arrive at the same conclusions.

I'd much rather enjoy and discuss new 2202-related fan content than waste my time repeating my past arguments.

So, moving back to more constructive and worthwhile discussion...
Ithekro said:
A fan made project for a battle at Planet 11 while Yamato is away: Has fleet formations, tactics, ship names, and some modified designs: 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2202MMD外伝～第十一番惑星沖海戦 後編～【MMD杯ZERO3参加動画】
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Although I didn't understand any of the subtitles, I liked how the battle was clearly directed. The tactics are easy to follow and demonstrate fleet elements at play, both coordinating and operating semi-independently.
My favorite bits were the variant ships. The Dreadnought packing Yamato-caliber Shock Cannons was a particular treat, and I very much liked the demonstration of tech from the Yamato being utilized elsewhere in the fleet, since the normal 2202 fleet seems to be, quality-wise, a downgrade from the Yamato.
If I had to bring one memorable criticism to the fan film, it'd be the facial animations of that one EDF Captain in particular, the one whose mouth geometry kept separating like some sort of demented nutcracker every time he spoke. That was straight-up nightmare fuel. :V
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Both myself and others have also iterated numerous complaints against aspects of 2202 multiple times in past pages of this thread. As there is no new content, and pretty much all said content has already been discussed and debated about, there is no purpose to reiterating said discussion. It'll undoubtedly run over the same points, revive the same grievances, and ultimately arrive at the same conclusions.

I'd much rather enjoy and discuss new 2202-related fan content than waste my time repeating my past arguments.

So, moving back to more constructive and worthwhile discussion...

Although I didn't understand any of the subtitles, I liked how the battle was clearly directed. The tactics are easy to follow and demonstrate fleet elements at play, both coordinating and operating semi-independently.
My favorite bits were the variant ships. The Dreadnought packing Yamato-caliber Shock Cannons was a particular treat, and I very much liked the demonstration of tech from the Yamato being utilized elsewhere in the fleet, since the normal 2202 fleet seems to be, quality-wise, a downgrade from the Yamato.
If I had to bring one memorable criticism to the fan film, it'd be the facial animations of that one EDF Captain in particular, the one whose mouth geometry kept separating like some sort of demented nutcracker every time he spoke. That was straight-up nightmare fuel. :V
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That bothered you, but not the Legend of Zelda: the wand of gamilon quality facial animations on the "american" and the gatlateans? (also, there was like 3 english words in the subtitles, and I clung to them like a life raft, cause I was going "a word I understand!")
 
Sandstar said:
That bothered you, but not the Legend of Zelda: the wand of gamilon quality facial animations on the "american" and the gatlateans? (also, there was like 3 english words in the subtitles, and I clung to them like a life raft, cause I was going "a word I understand!")
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Oh yes, there were certainly different facial animations that neared the uncanny valley... but that nutcracker mouth, man. It stuck with me. Not in a good way either.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
The Dreadnought packing Yamato-caliber Shock Cannons was a particular treat, and I very much liked the demonstration of tech from the Yamato being utilized elsewhere in the fleet, since the normal 2202 fleet seems to be, quality-wise, a downgrade from the Yamato.
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Yeah, that was one of my favorite ship designs. On the other hand, I'm not that fond of the Kongos with the Dreadnought superstructures and guns, they clash, and not in a good way.
 
Sanae Aran said:
Yeah, that was one of my favorite ship designs. On the other hand, I'm not that fond of the Kongos with the Dreadnought superstructures and guns, they clash, and not in a good way.
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Yeah, those are nice in the sense that they evoke the feeling of hurried kitbash that you sometimes see in IRL warships where different components are slapped together to form a functional, if not hideous ship.
 
Ithekro said:
Because it is reaching just to reach. Bitching just to bitch. As said, its a dead horse. The only reason to bring it up in this manner is the try to restart an argument that's past the need to be argued about.

Once the new film comes out in about half a month or so, than there will be new material to bring to the matter, as there should be more details and less drama to bring to the analysis of Yamato 2202. After that point there will be new points to bring up, and such. But right now, it should sounds like a reach just to reach. (Also that's an old complaint. Someone already made that observation while the series was running).
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Guys, stop talking about Captain Marvel, Spider-Man is coming. Spider-Man.
 
Some Yamato stuff I did that I thought you guys might like.
 
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Yes, but now we have a date instead of no date. Approximately a six month COVID delay, since the film was suppose to have come out in January.
 
just thought I'd leave this here.


On another note, I've been thinking about the Gostok-class. They have combined gun turrets with 60's styled arm missle launchers. While I like the idea, it seems a bit... pointless. VLS exist in the Yamato universe and these can be reloaded easily, while the Gostok-class's don't seem to be reloadable at all. Is there any advantage, or in-universe justification to arm missile launchers?
 
SeaSirocco said:
just thought I'd leave this here.


On another note, I've been thinking about the Gostok-class. They have combined gun turrets with 60's styled arm missle launchers. While I like the idea, it seems a bit... pointless. VLS exist in the Yamato universe and these can be reloaded easily, while the Gostok-class's don't seem to be reloadable at all. Is there any advantage, or in-universe justification to arm missile launchers?
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Well, VLS systems that can be reloaded during combat have a much higher level of complexity than simple arm missile launchers.
Normally I'd say that this is a benefit for ship production, since using arm launchers cuts down on the time needed for assembly, as well as components needed.
But, uh, Gatlantis ships are grown, so this might not apply.

Only surefire benefit is that since it's less complex, it's harder to break it... but not that it matters once the thing fires, since it's useless after firing once anyways.

And yeah, not sure Fukui wants to make that comparison, since every major sci-fi franchise JJ touches kinda dies, and Fukui actually did good work on Gundam Unicorn. Can't say the same about JJ and Star Wars.
 
Some of the missile launchers on the Gostok are reloadable from the inside. The ones that are not tend to be the larger missiles and those that are mounted on top of beam turrets.
 
This is priceless. Presenting oneself as the equivalent of JJ Abrams to Star Wars. What is next? I am to X what Cortez was to the Aztecs? Hilter to the Jews? A nuclear bomb to a japanese city?
 
I don't like JJ Abrams and I have conflicting opinions on Fukui but I think you might want to rethink your comparisons. 2202 is flawed but comparing it to a genocide or a war crime is inadequate IMO.
 
Guys, don't get offended by a bit of hyperbole. Come on.

What Fukui said was really, really insane. JJ took Star Wars from a living franchize and he milked its soul into corporate, cheap, disrespectful fan service. He turned it into "cnematic fast food". Fukui on the other hand took the soul of 2199 and replaced it with a bizarre, soulless fan fiction. Fukui comparing himself to JJ seems like admition of being a franchize abuser. He was referring to Gundam (I have no idea which series he wrote? directed? don't care) but what he said is very true for Yamato. Personally, I think he is more like Rian Johnson.
 
Kodai Solo said:
Guys, don't get offended by a bit of hyperbole. Come on.

What Fukui said was really, really insane. JJ took Star Wars from a living franchize and he milked its soul into corporate, cheap, disrespectful fan service. He turned it into "cnematic fast food". Fukui on the other hand took the soul of 2199 and replaced it with a bizarre, soulless fan fiction. Fukui comparing himself to JJ seems like admition of being a franchize abuser. He was referring to Gundam (I have no idea which series he wrote? directed? don't care) but what he said is very true for Yamato. Personally, I think he is more like Rian Johnson.
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Fukui wrote the story of Gundam Unicorn, which was actually a really good series. For me it was about on par with the quality of Iron-Blooded Orphans, which was also a good Gundam series with a compelling story.

Oddly enough, Fukui's Gundam Unicorn movie felt very different to me than his work on the series, wherein it had a very compressed, convoluted plot with forgettable characters that makes sense at the time but utterly collapses upon retrospect.
So maybe he's in a creative slump? I dunno, I do agree that his work on 2202 didn't measure up to the writing of 2199 (and indeed doesn't even measure up to his other work) but comparing ruining a franchise (whether it's JJ or Fukui) to literal war crimes and systematic extermination of entire ethnic and/or religious groups as well as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is more than a bit distasteful. If you must make a comparison, perhaps try something where less people died, like the botched attempts at restoring ancient pieces of art.
 
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TheBleachDoctor said:
Fukui wrote the story of Gundam Unicorn, which was actually a really good series. For me it was about on par with the quality of Iron-Blooded Orphans, which was also a good Gundam series with a compelling story.

Oddly enough, Fukui's Gundam Unicorn movie felt very different to me than his work on the series, wherein it had a very compressed, convoluted plot with forgettable characters that makes sense at the time but utterly collapses upon retrospect.
So maybe he's in a creative slump? I dunno, I do agree that his work on 2202 didn't measure up to the writing of 2199 (and indeed doesn't even measure up to his other work) but comparing ruining a franchise (whether it's JJ or Fukui) to literal war crimes and systematic extermination of entire ethnic and/or religious groups as well as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is more than a bit distasteful. If you must make a comparison, perhaps try something where less people died, like the botched attempts at restoring ancient pieces of art.
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Question: Who does it hurt to make an edgy comparison? When is an edgy comparison accepted? If I compared his work on Yamato with Caesar's campaign against the Gauls would you be offended the same way? What about the sacking of Baghdad by the Mongols? Understand that jokes are jokes and they don't hurt anyone.

Btw, I wonder, when virtue signaling idiots compare the immigrant detention centers on various countries with Nazi concentration camps are you offended as well? Just checking if you have standards.
 
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