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Shin Persona Evangelion [NGE/Persona Fusion]

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Beware uncharted lands, for there be spoilers afoot!
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    • This may seem like it's overdue, but based on a comment I recently received elsewhere, apparently the fact that there will be spoilers to both the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime and the events of various games in the Persona Series (including but not limited to Persona 3, Persona 3 Portable, Persona 4, and Persona 5) wasn't made clear just by how the plot has unveiled.

    So I'm placing a sticky post for this message: if you have not watched the original Evangelion anime, or if you have not played the Persona games — especially P3, P4, P5, and their updated re-releases — then take note that this story contains spoilers to all of them. Read at your own risk.

    /that should do it
    //right?
    ///right??
     
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    • If that could happen to one of them, I imagine it could happen to any of them. Imagine if Shinji Makes Zeruel one of his Personas.
     
    Persona Origins: Mayumi
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    • Okay...so the decision to make Armisael the initial Persona for Mayumi Yamagishi stemmed from a few things.

    Spoilers follow for some extracanonical games from the '90s. :V

    1) Given that Mayumi in her game (2nd Impression) is connected to what is only known as the Insubstantial Angel, I wanted to find a more canonical Angel to be bound to her, as I didn't want to get too willy-nilly with making 'extra' Angels. (Phanuel being the sole exception for plot-specific reasons.) That's when I remembered this bit from the director's cut of Episode 23 for NGE:



    Known as the 'Angel Tower', once Armisael had merged with Unit-00, all of the other Angels tried to obtain a form of sorts...which is why there were so many descriptors of Armisael being 'protean' and shifting, so as provide a way for me to allow extracanonical Angels like these...





    ...to come from...well, Armisael the halo/worm thingy. :V

    2) Given this connection to Mayumi, this also allowed me the chance of making an Angel into a Persona, instead of giving her one of her own...because from her story (and her Arcana), she's had something holding her down for her whole life, and she didn't even know the cause until now. Even as she seeks to break Armisael's chains...Armisael's scars will remain. And that's why her Other self is patterned so closely from the Angel.

    As for her 2nd Awakening...well, spoilers. :p

    3) Given the nature of Shadows in SPE, everyone who awakens to a Persona is gonna go through the P4 route: namely, face their Shadow directly. Which is cool and dramatic in its own way...but let's be honest, Persona 5's awakenings are just so very hype. (Tell me you didn't feel just a little bit giddy when playing Awakening while reading through Mayumi's scene at the end.) As such, opportunities for this are few and far between, and are going to be restricted to those who wouldn't be able to face their Shadow directly...namely, the Evangelion-users...and someone like Mayumi, whose Shadow had been subsumed by Armisael long ago.

    ...but to be honest, I mostly went this route so I could use P5's method of awakening, because I love it so very much.

    Vajrei said:
    If that could happen to one of them, I imagine it could happen to any of them. Imagine if Shinji Makes Zeruel one of his Personas.
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    Alas, none of the other Angels are bound to other humans in the way Mayumi is, so that's not gonna happen.

    "Darn."

    And since the Angels are rather unknown in terms of their appearance by the general public, there won't be any Archetypes of them either.

    "Double darn!"

    jj_789 said:
    Damn, Armisael got downgraded into a playable Persona.
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    "A-part-of-me-is-now-officially-in-the-main-cast. I-call-that-an-upgrade."

    xxxx

    ANYHOW, on an unrelated note, the reason I've been cracking out the snippets as of late in such huge chunks is because I wanted to at least get to Mayumi's awakening before I go on sabbatical for the week of Thanksgiving, which starts tomorrow for me. I'll be away from my computer, so no updates will be happening in that timeframe (I'll still follow along with conversation though).

    But hey, at least I left y'all in a pretty nice cliffhanger (for a change). :V

    TTFN: ta ta for now!
     
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    • I said it before, but I really gotta give you credit again man, this might be the first Evangelion story that I read where Mayumi actually was an important and involved part of the story and cast (and Mana, though she has admittedly been used more in Eva fanfic than Mayumi).

    Perhaps because Persona involves using a wide cast of usable characters who all have social links to get to know them better, this is the ideal crossover to truly involve the Eva cast so thoroughly, as Toji and Kensuke are also a part of the main cast (which is also something pretty rare in Eva fics). And I really love that.

    Though this does make me wonder, if we will get to a part in the story where the Eva pilot trio are separated from the rest of their friends and have to work together, giving us a moment with the main trio. I'm going to guess and say yes because those three are still the only one's with Evangelions.
     
    Ultra Sonic 007 said:
    (Tell me you didn't just a little bit giddy when playing Awakening while reading through Mayumi's scene at the end.)
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    replace "little bit" with "very" and you have my state at that point

    Ultra Sonic 007 said:
    And since the Angels are rather unknown in terms of their appearance by the general public, there won't be any Archetypes of them either.

    "Double darn!"
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    no Archetypes for now.
    If one of them tries to cause a masspanic and goes public...
    I can see otaku-culture turning that into a Gijinka Urban Dictionary: Gijinka
     
    Huagh said:
    this might be the first Evangelion story that I read where Mayumi actually was an important and involved part of the story and cast
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    It's quite telling that there are only nine (English-language) fics on AO3 (including this one) with "Yamagishi Mayumi" as a character tag. (She doesn't even make it into any of the ridiculous drabble bins.)
     
    Wow. This story has gone beyond anyone's expectations. I thought Mayumi would be saved and that would be it. But to get a new persona related to her plight, and now you're telling us she's going to get another one in the future? To say that I feel pretty hyped up about this new state of affairs would be an understatement.
    grommile said:
    It's quite telling that there are only nine (English-language) fics on AO3 (including this one) with Mayumi as a character tag.
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    There's also In Tune in Fanfiction.net but that Mayumi's ending is not as happy. And that's all I'm going to say.
     
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    jj_789 said:
    Wow. This story has gone beyond anyone's expectations. I thought Mayumi would be saved and that would be it. But to get a new persona related to her plight, and now you're telling us she's going to get another one in the future? To say that I feel pretty hyped up about this new state of affairs would be an understatement.
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    It almost goes without saying that the main party members are gonna have a 2nd Awakening; that's pretty much a Persona tradition at this point.

    /not gonna say what those 2nd Awakenings are though
    //because spoilers :V

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    grommile said:
    It's quite telling that there are only nine (English-language) fics on AO3 (including this one) with "Yamagishi Mayumi" as a character tag. (She doesn't even make it into any of the ridiculous drabble bins.)
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    And one of the other ones is "Mobile Fighter Evangelion", so I officially count for more than 20% of all Mayumi Yamagishi works on AO3. XD
     
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    What exactly would the party's Team Name be?
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    • So while I'm out and about for the next several days, something came to mind in the comments at AO3: namely, what should the team name for our party be?

    From Persona 3, we have S.E.E.S. (the Specialized Extracurricular Execution Squad).

    Persona 4 had the Investigation Team.

    P5, naturally, has the Phantom Thieves.

    So...what exactly would the main party of Shinji Ikari, Kensuke Aida, Toji Suzuhara, Mana Kirishima, and now Mayumi Yamagishi call themselves? (Rei Ayanami, Mister P, and Asuka Langley-Sohryu would still be considered temporary guest members, and not full-timers...you know, because they're generally out and about.)

    Most of my ideas are too memey, alas, so I bring it the question to the readers!

    /go nuts
     
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    • Well, it'd have to be something related to their activities. So... something about fighting/killing angels? Maybe "The Heretics?" "The Apostates?"
     
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    Selias said:
    Well, it'd have to be something related to their activities. So... something about fighting/killing angels? Maybe "The Heretics?" "The Apostates?"
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    Having thought about it, I'm not sure I like the "The X" format. I feel like more that one word would sound better. How about something like "The Children of Rebellion?"

    EDIT: Hell, it even fits the mythology, since humans are the "children" of Lilith.
     
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    How about a greek term for the team-name?

    from classicalwisdom.com

    Phronesis (Greek: φρόνησῐς)
    Phronesis is a type of wisdom or intelligence. It is more specifically a type of wisdom relevant to practical action, implying both good judgement and excellence of character and habits, or practical virtue. As such, it is often translated as "practical wisdom", and sometimes as "prudence." Thomas McEvilley has proposed that the best translation is "mindfulness"

    then there is:
    Aidos (Greek: Αἰδώς)
    Aidos was actually the Greek goddess of shame, modesty, respect, and humility. Aidos, as a quality, was that feeling of reverence or shame which restrains men and women from wrong. It also encompassed the emotion that a rich person might feel in the presence of the impoverished, that their disparity of wealth, whether a matter of luck or merit, was ultimately undeserved. Ancient and Christian humility have some common points, they are both the rejection of egotism and self-centeredness, arrogance and excessive pride, and is an recognition of human limitations. Aristotle defined it as a middle ground between vanity and cowardice.
     
    Ultra Sonic 007 said:
    Her voice hitched with hiccups as she tried to keep talking. "...I...I want to keep moving forward..." Leaning back, she rested on her heels, sitting limply. "I...I want to live..." With tears making tracks down her crimson-stained cheeks, she hoarsely forced out words with such anguish that it felt like she was fighting herself. "I...I want...I want to be...!"
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    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npufTv1ifNg
    Ultra Sonic 007 said:
    (Rei Ayanami, Mister P, and Asuka Langley-Sohryu would still be considered temporary guest members, and not full-timers...you know, because they're generally out and about.)
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    "still" as in "just for now and it will totally change", right? Right...? :/

    Dunno about name, I suck at naming things myself
     
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    P5A Drama CD Translations [AO3 Link]
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    • I am doing this because I was an idiot and didn't properly look and don't want anyone else to be an idiot so I'm just gonna share it here.

    After initially believing there were no English translations of the Persona 5 the Animation drama CDs except for "Mission Untouchable", which I had found on Youtube, I had just typed in "persona 5 drama cd english translation" and found this on AO3 as the top result.

    First reaction: Wait I can see how the Featherman play thing on the beach visit with Futaba would go? YEEEEES!
    Second reaction: I am an IDIOT. HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THIS.

    So uh, yeah, linking this here for fellow Persona fans that peruse this thread to peruse the translations because the "Summer Diaries" drama CD is fun and I wouldn't wanna have anyone else go through my stupud experience. :V

    Seriously tho, the Summer Diaries is hilarious because it's about the week when the Thieves get closer to Futaba and on one of those days, after the "Like A Dragon: Yakuza" movie date with Makoto, Makoto ends up meeting Chihaya and...it's absolutely hilarious. XD I can sum up that encounter with two words:

    Poor Chihaya.
     
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    • Minato moonlights as Lotus Juice in the Persona universe confirmed. :V

    Somewhat more semi-seriously, I love how the mangaka shares my headcanon that Minato is a good singer and now whenever I want to, I can say it's confirmed. XD

    And on top of being a good dancer!

    yes i know p3d takes place in a dream i don't care it's good enough for my headcanon :V
     
    It took me about several months to get through chapter 1 through 20-ish of the Persona 3 manga...and then it took me a total of 2 days to get through the rest of the chapters, at about 28-ish, with three 70-90 pages for its last three chapters. Go figure. :V

    More seriously, what prompted my blitzkrieg of reading the rest of the manga was this video by The4thSnake, talking about how the manga adapts Persona 3...and its problems.

    So here I am, having read the manga, and wanting to talk about it.

    The "tldr" version of my thoughts is: Yeah, I agree with the guy about the manga not being a way to know the story without playing the game. Whether you're fine with that or not is up to you, but I personally think that, yeah, I would've preferred that the manga didn't need you having played the game to know, but I still really like the manga anyway...mostly because I really like Minato's portrayal...and seeing him smile so much in the manga. I swear he's so funny and my heart melts everytime I see him smile.

    Now for the (slightly?) more in-depth version!

    Basically, the main reason The4thSnake says that the adapatation isn't so good is because, one, it assumes you've played the game, and two, it isn't upfront about how it tells its story: in nonchronological order. Which, well, yeah, I don't blame him for disliking. I had initially assumed that we would begin with late game, in this case first with the Hange Man Shadow and then a month after that, before jumping to the beginning to tell it chronologically. When it started to jump around, I didn't mind, but I can see the whole "making some of the character arcs weaker" because of that, mainly, as he pointed out, Aigis. And that's not to mention Koro getting shafted.

    So as an adaptation to stand on its own, I agree with the guy in that I feel the P3 manga fails in that. Especially compared to Persona 1's manga, where not only did it add extra stuff to the manga, but made it so that anyone who hasn't played the games can basically get the story (I know my friend did that's for sure), making it a pretty good alternative to the game, if not often the one I see most people recommend other people if they want to know Persona 1's story and characters.

    Despite that, as I said, I still really like the manga. The way Minato is protrayed is my favorite. He's hilarious in plenty of situations, like his inner thoughts when he introduced himself to Yukari ("I did something out of character!"), ordering a whole butt load of burgers, or that time he was playing a train arcade game and utterly failing at it. But he's still the calm collected Minato we know who cares a lot for his friends, smiling a lot more often than in the movies and I just feel so happy seeing those smiles. It has absolutely nothing to do with this version being closest to how I geadcanon him, nooooo...of course not. :V

    Oh and also there's more obvious shipping hints of Yukari than Aigis but shhh that's not that important...

    Also there are plenty of extra moments that I like, though I embarrassingly can't remember off the top of my head, and OH MY GOSH I liked the finale battle...kaiju sized Nyx Avatar vs. Messiah is something I never thought I'd see but I'm SO happy it exists. Hey it was awesome okay? :V

    And, of course, the fact that by the end, this is the one that has the most hints toward Minato surviving despite all that.

    So yeah. Basically I'm glad to have read it and really like it. Would I rec this for someone who hasn't played Persona 3? Absolutely not. But I'd still say give it a try if ya wanna read it. I had plenty of laughs and heart melts reading it.

    and if anyone does i'm more than happy to give them where i read it because i know how hard i searched for it :V
    I'd outright just link it but i don't know if linking manga hosting sites would break rules or anything so i won't take my chances :V

    And now to read the Persona 4 manga! Because apparently The4thSnake says it has its own problems and P5 manga adapts P5 better than the anime. Whhich, as someone who's read up to chapter 18 of P5's manga and seen up to ep...6? Dubbed, and loves P4tA, I can say I agree so far with the P5 stuff but am even more curious about the P4 manga now.
     
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    It's Rei's pose. It's the same as the Protagonist in the JP cover. Also, love the art, looks cool.

     
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