Shattered Justice (A Persona Quest)
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AilingStar
Herald of the Cassowaries
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- Not Australia
[X] Talk to Kirijo-san.
-[X] Help arrange for her to meet with Morgana. Maybe that'll make things better!
-[X] Help arrange for her to meet with Morgana. Maybe that'll make things better!
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
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- Selphia
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SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
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- Selphia
And jumping back to this storyline...
Introducing Morgana to Mitsuru is going to end with either them becoming sort-of friends, or a catsicle. Let's find out which one!
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Introducing Morgana to Mitsuru is going to end with either them becoming sort-of friends, or a catsicle. Let's find out which one!
Saturday, May 3, 2008
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
You recognize that, even if you don't do anything about the matter yourself, Kirijo-san will probably decide to try and meet with Morgana on her own. You also understand that Kirijo-san isn't all that great with social situations, and probably shouldn't be left to approach them by herself.
You're hoping she'll learn eventually, but... Meeting an experienced Persona User outside of her own group for the first time may not be the best place for that.
So you should probably be there when the two of them meet. If only to avoid sudden blizzards in the middle of spring. That might attract some attention.
Yeah, people around here probably aren't used to it yet. Give it another five years or so.
The next time you and Kirijo-san talk without Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san around, you ask her. "So, do you want to meet that friend I told you about? Morgana?" You don't mention him being a cat or anything, because the security camera is right there, and the last thing you need is for whoever reviews those to start thinking you're insane.
Even if they wouldn't be the only ones questioning your sanity, sometimes.
"That... would probably be helpful, yes," She agrees, looking up from the book on communication skills. You're not sure, but you think Sanada-san might have just skimmed it. Which isn't exactly what you gave it to him for.
As long as he's read the section on how to defuse fights before they happen, it should be enough to get him through high school. Or maybe he could just figure out how to take a hint. Either one, really.
At the same time, though... it's Sanada-san. Even skimming would be enough for him to pick up something useful.
"Right, so, I should probably be there when you meet him, just to make sure it doesn't go... badly." By which you mean that you don't want innocent bystanders to have to deal with her constantly exuding cold, but you're not going to mention that part out loud.
You're pretty sure Kirijo-san can tell what your misgivings are without you having to say it, anyway. She seems to be aware of how her preferences in temperature differ from most people.
Either way, she doesn't protest your decision, which means that all you have to do is visit the shrine on a day that Morgana is there and try to get him to talk to you.
Why does that sound so much harder than it should?
Thankfully, there are no major difficulties in ensuring that the three of you are all at the shrine at the same time. Morgana is there the first time you decide to check and see if he is, curled up in a sunny spot like he usually is.
"Morgana!" You greet him. He looks up you, huffs, and closes his eyes again.
Thankfully, you came prepared. "I brought snacks!"
You're pretty sure most people in your school wouldn't expect you to be buying cat treats, even if they had seen you with Morgana all those months ago, but you want him to at least be open to discussion. And while he still insists, from time to time, that he's not a cat, you're pretty sure that he won't turn these down.
...Of course, you may have bought a few too many, and anyone who looks under your bed is going to be really confused, but... it's probably better than not having a large enough bribe. Maybe.
I mean, it was this or sushi, and I don't think that's what Mitsuru-san had in mind when she gave us that allowance.
Look, it's already been established that you don't know how cats work. Let alone time-traveling cats who insist that they aren't cats despite all evidence to the contrary, such as the fact that they were chasing a laser pointer at the time. If the treats hadn't worked, you were going to try and emulate that with Kouha.
I'm glad it didn't come down to that, though. I wouldn't want to scare Koromaru.
Thankfully, you don't have to resort to that, as he actually sits up. "What kind of snacks?"
You take the treats you brought with you out, and he ventures over to sniff at them. "Not bad... I guess." You'll take that as glowing admiration.
...Sanada-san is the only other Persona User you know who is generally open to others, and he still has no clue how to talk to people. You aren't really sure how that happened, but you don't think it's a good thing.
"So, um..." Okay, you're not really sure how to get this started, but at least you aren't as blunt as some people. "I- well, I thought that, since you and Kirijo-san know about each other, it might be a good idea for you to meet in person?" You still aren't sure that's the best way you could have put it, but there's no taking it back now, and it's true, so there's no real reason to want to.
"So, you're the one who reads minds?" Okay, you're not really sure why you bother...
"And you're a talking cat."
"I. Am not. A cat."
"Well, in that case, what are you?" ...You honestly can't believe you never thought to ask that. Probably because Morgana acts so much like a cat that there's barely any difference.
"I am- I-" Morgana keeps trying to speak, but nothing really comes out. "I- I know this, really, but-"
[ ] Suggest a change of subject.
-[ ] To what?
[ ] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is. (+Empathy)
-[ ] How?
[ ] Don't do anything. You aren't sure you won't just make things worse.
You're hoping she'll learn eventually, but... Meeting an experienced Persona User outside of her own group for the first time may not be the best place for that.
So you should probably be there when the two of them meet. If only to avoid sudden blizzards in the middle of spring. That might attract some attention.
Yeah, people around here probably aren't used to it yet. Give it another five years or so.
The next time you and Kirijo-san talk without Sanada-san and Shinjiro-san around, you ask her. "So, do you want to meet that friend I told you about? Morgana?" You don't mention him being a cat or anything, because the security camera is right there, and the last thing you need is for whoever reviews those to start thinking you're insane.
Even if they wouldn't be the only ones questioning your sanity, sometimes.
"That... would probably be helpful, yes," She agrees, looking up from the book on communication skills. You're not sure, but you think Sanada-san might have just skimmed it. Which isn't exactly what you gave it to him for.
As long as he's read the section on how to defuse fights before they happen, it should be enough to get him through high school. Or maybe he could just figure out how to take a hint. Either one, really.
At the same time, though... it's Sanada-san. Even skimming would be enough for him to pick up something useful.
"Right, so, I should probably be there when you meet him, just to make sure it doesn't go... badly." By which you mean that you don't want innocent bystanders to have to deal with her constantly exuding cold, but you're not going to mention that part out loud.
You're pretty sure Kirijo-san can tell what your misgivings are without you having to say it, anyway. She seems to be aware of how her preferences in temperature differ from most people.
Either way, she doesn't protest your decision, which means that all you have to do is visit the shrine on a day that Morgana is there and try to get him to talk to you.
Why does that sound so much harder than it should?
Thankfully, there are no major difficulties in ensuring that the three of you are all at the shrine at the same time. Morgana is there the first time you decide to check and see if he is, curled up in a sunny spot like he usually is.
"Morgana!" You greet him. He looks up you, huffs, and closes his eyes again.
Thankfully, you came prepared. "I brought snacks!"
You're pretty sure most people in your school wouldn't expect you to be buying cat treats, even if they had seen you with Morgana all those months ago, but you want him to at least be open to discussion. And while he still insists, from time to time, that he's not a cat, you're pretty sure that he won't turn these down.
...Of course, you may have bought a few too many, and anyone who looks under your bed is going to be really confused, but... it's probably better than not having a large enough bribe. Maybe.
I mean, it was this or sushi, and I don't think that's what Mitsuru-san had in mind when she gave us that allowance.
Look, it's already been established that you don't know how cats work. Let alone time-traveling cats who insist that they aren't cats despite all evidence to the contrary, such as the fact that they were chasing a laser pointer at the time. If the treats hadn't worked, you were going to try and emulate that with Kouha.
I'm glad it didn't come down to that, though. I wouldn't want to scare Koromaru.
Thankfully, you don't have to resort to that, as he actually sits up. "What kind of snacks?"
You take the treats you brought with you out, and he ventures over to sniff at them. "Not bad... I guess." You'll take that as glowing admiration.
...Sanada-san is the only other Persona User you know who is generally open to others, and he still has no clue how to talk to people. You aren't really sure how that happened, but you don't think it's a good thing.
"So, um..." Okay, you're not really sure how to get this started, but at least you aren't as blunt as some people. "I- well, I thought that, since you and Kirijo-san know about each other, it might be a good idea for you to meet in person?" You still aren't sure that's the best way you could have put it, but there's no taking it back now, and it's true, so there's no real reason to want to.
"So, you're the one who reads minds?" Okay, you're not really sure why you bother...
"And you're a talking cat."
"I. Am not. A cat."
"Well, in that case, what are you?" ...You honestly can't believe you never thought to ask that. Probably because Morgana acts so much like a cat that there's barely any difference.
"I am- I-" Morgana keeps trying to speak, but nothing really comes out. "I- I know this, really, but-"
[ ] Suggest a change of subject.
-[ ] To what?
[ ] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is. (+Empathy)
-[ ] How?
[ ] Don't do anything. You aren't sure you won't just make things worse.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
[X] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is.
-[X] Ask if his persona is keeping things from him.
Frankly, either this or "You're a Phantom Thief". It isn't like Ken is aware yet that Morgana can change form, and I don't think Morgana has insisted he's a human to Ken. Mean, we could always insist he's a Nekomata or something.
-[X] Ask if his persona is keeping things from him.
Frankly, either this or "You're a Phantom Thief". It isn't like Ken is aware yet that Morgana can change form, and I don't think Morgana has insisted he's a human to Ken. Mean, we could always insist he's a Nekomata or something.
"So, Morgana... Maybe you are a Nekomata?"
Morgana gets flashback of fighting a bunch of
"I'm a boy!"
Seriously speaking, that's not a bad idea, but when I read it, my mind instantly jumped to the Nekomata Persona, and realized Morgana should have seen Nekomata Shadows, so his mind would instantly connect to them, and they are all female... And with such a name like Morgana, and his body...
- Location
- Somewhere else
[X] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is. (+Empathy)
-[X] "Well, you told me you are a Phantom Thief, right?"
-[X] "Well, you told me you are a Phantom Thief, right?"
- Location
- Somewhere
[X] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is. (+Empathy)
-[X] "Well, you told me you are a Phantom Thief, right?"
-[X] "Well, you told me you are a Phantom Thief, right?"
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
So, I was thinking about it, and I realized that it might be interesting for you to see how Ken writes the names of his story's other characters.
Akari: 明星
Yukinari: 雪也
Mei: 芽以
Nami: 漣
Also, have a bit of information about Shadows that could be good to know!
Akari: 明星
Yukinari: 雪也
Mei: 芽以
Nami: 漣
Also, have a bit of information about Shadows that could be good to know!
- Shadows are attracted to stronger Shadows that are more 'complete.' This tends to backfire on them, as they are then absorbed into the more powerful force.
- Due to the fact that visibility in places where Shadows frequent... isn't the best, they instead navigate mostly by using a certain empathy sense to find other Shadows, as well as whatever few humans have access to wherever they are. The Hermit Shuffle Time card works by cloaking the party in a field of null emotion, so that the Shadows cannot sense them.
- Any Shadow that manages to truly complete themselves immediately earns the hatred of all Shadows that are lesser than a personal Shadow. Well... as much as a primal blob of feelings can hate something, anyway.
- Shadows made of positive emotions tend to be devoured by the others within the first week of existence, unless they are at least on the level of a personal Shadow.
- The more complete a Shadow is, the more flexibility they generally have in terms of the forms they can take.
- There are Shadows that naturally have the ability to use Recarm and Samarecarm... but not the intelligence, or the inclination.
- No Shadow may leave the bounds of their world unless they are either a personal Shadow acting through their human, or fully complete.
- By the current date in-story, there are no records of fully-completed Shadows. It is actually believed to be truly impossible.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Man it'll be weird and interesting should they meet Teddie... Though, that actually brings up a different character.
@SeekerofDreams: Would there be a photo of Ryoji in Nemi's Room? Knowing about his true nature would be a big game-changer, though it'll be a lot of effort to actually do much with said info.
@SeekerofDreams: Would there be a photo of Ryoji in Nemi's Room? Knowing about his true nature would be a big game-changer, though it'll be a lot of effort to actually do much with said info.
SeekerofDreams
Aspiring Farmer
- Location
- Selphia
There is. There are exactly two scenes attached. It's at the very back of the assembled photographs and doesn't show up unless you're specifically looking for it. And half of the time it displays an eldritch abomination.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
... On the one hand, poking Junpei's Photo will be helpful regarding the Chidori Sidequest. On the other, Ryoji is insanely important to P3's events, and poking his Photo is probably our only chance to seriously alter P3's outcome.
Hmm... On the third hand, if there are Photos for the Velvet Siblings, it might get us an in to the Velvet Room if we talk to P3 Protagonist about it. From there, Igor probably could help us figure out what's going on.
Hmm... On the third hand, if there are Photos for the Velvet Siblings, it might get us an in to the Velvet Room if we talk to P3 Protagonist about it. From there, Igor probably could help us figure out what's going on.
AilingStar
Herald of the Cassowaries
- Location
- Not Australia
Actually, that brings up another interesting point: Does Igor already know any of this? Is he even still around, or was he disposed of due to Time Travel Shenanigans?
[X] Try and help Morgana through... whatever this is. (+Empathy)
-[X] "Well, you told me you are a Phantom Thief, right?"
- Location
- England
I'm pretty certain that even if Igor doesn't know (as laveza screwed up the time travel badly enough to seal older Ken as a Persona) that Philemon will (when he inevitably gets of his @R$E). Still... It raises the question of how events can evolve from here (if memory serves in times of stress and desperation it is possible for shadow selves to assume control (Labrys and Sho from the fighting games). Maybe we can try to set that up? (It would allow older Ken to actually use his future knowledge to screw Ikutsuki, Save mitsuru's Dad (earn a lot of good will), Reveal the truth of her father to Yukari (when she inevitably arrives and gets filled in on thing) and save Shinjiro)
I.e NOT FORCE HIM INTO SAID SITUATIONS But ASK Nemi if he can take the helm if the S**ts hit the fan and we need More Power. So that if it comes down to it Nemi Knows what to do so we don't look like an idiot before being murdered by an enemy as Nemi has no clue what your doing...)
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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- USA
Let me see if I understand correctly. You want to put Ken into extremely stressful situations in the hopes of a CHANCE that his Persona will take over for a brief period of time instead of, you know, just getting the information from Nemi himself?
- Location
- England
Who said anything about putting him in them? Since as far as I know Persona users are GUARENTEED to end up in them at some point or another (Reaper, Strega,Thanatos,Nyx,Erebus, Moon Shadows, Kronos,Kagutsuchi (Ultimax plot),Q2 final boss (Not saying Cuz spoilers) and the general existential horror of knowing that your inner darkness can go physotic if you doubt yourself for even a moment and will attempt to either murder those around you (Shinjiro) or murder you ((Yukari in the movie when Io threatened to manifest and MURDER her with that dreamscare scene) and the P4 cast).
Lets face it...
It WILL happen, sooner or later...
As for when it does. I suggest seeing if we can pass the hotseat to Nemi long enough to get out of the mess (as Nemi is MUCH more powerful atm on account of being Future Ken) and have him fill in everyone on Wtf is going to happen. The strain of channeling Nemi's full power will probably hurt Ken pretty bad though (HENCE WHY THE LAST RESORT!)
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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- USA
A few of those are points of not canon to everyones memories. Others are to late. And Nemi didn't posses us when Reaper was lurking nearby. Also in this experience, Reaper will probably only ever be caused intentionally.
Also, where's your evidence of Nemi using himself is more powerful than Ken?
Just sounds overly complexe to me and better if we get it from Nemi and tell everyone ourselves.
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- England
Nemi IS more powerful than ken atm (As Unlike kid Ken Future Ken has his Combat training, His knowledge of Shadows (Kid Ken doesn't) and is use to Combat (So won't panic or make a bad move as easily). Couple that with the fact he is using his Own Power and it means he will know how to use it more effectively than kid ken (E.g how to best position enemies so they can't just dodge Hama)
Also in regards to the reaper, I suspect the main reason why He didn't take control (On top of us not really discussing it prior so doing it would end badly) was the fact that we didn't Face the Reaper (We escaped the chase, If we had been caught at the exit I think he probably would have taken control if only to save everyone's collective rears).
As for not being repeated without being deliberate, Yes and No (not easy in tartarus NOW unless things go horribly wrong... but on the Fuuka rescue mission (I can see it happening easily after using the insane entry method) and in Persona Q1 (every dungeon has FOE's and the final clocktower has Reapers up the wazoo)
"I'll Face Myself"-Chapter (Also proof Future Ken is currently not able to use full power, Im saying that if worst comes to worst we can let him assume control and use his power above our limits, it WILL hurt so is a LAST RESORT).
Quote:"You tried to summon a power too large for your body to handle and ended up knocking yourself out. Though my memories probably didn't help much, there..."
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