Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

You know, I thought it had been, but then I saw this on the same page and got confused.
Yeah, that's another version with the same name, but anyone voting for just the plan name will automatically count towards the earliest version (which is the leading one by Kymecho) if two plans have similar names but different options.

[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan The Left Hand of The Empress
This vote has a typo missing the colon ":" and an extra 'the' which makes it count separately in the vote tally btw. Correct version = Plan: Left Hand of the Empress

With Stewardship we will have the biggest impact on China's restoration and can skim less of Lihua's actions for our own projects unless we want her cross with us. On the other hand if we use our Britannian contacts that have experience in bringing up under developed Areas up to speed we will be able to increase the Chinese budget and maybe convince Lihua to assign some of the extra profits into a space program.
With Piety we will have the most freedom in our projects and pursuing our private goals but also the resources we are given will be the smallest and most likely won't grow unless the Stewardship advisor is another super genius when it comes to Stewardship. Or we turn our ministry into a gold mine. And 25+ stats are extremely rare.
Good catch, that's fair and makes Stewardship the most promising option for Minister again. In that case I would recommend voters to look at "Plan: Imperial Alliance + Mutual Benefits" for max synergy with Stewardship + Research Institute + Alliance if you are interested.

Adhoc vote count started by Resonant on Apr 2, 2024 at 12:23 PM, finished with 214 posts and 43 votes.

Current vote tally around 6 hours in.
 
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I think people are ignoring the possible synergies with our Britannian plans. Am I correct in saying the plan right now is to support Euphemia in her bid for Empress?

We should use this windfall as an opportunity to expand her/our powerbase and the best way is through the Stewardship ministry. Remember, Lihua is planning to upgrade her country which means a lot of infrastructure to be built, which means a lot of government contracts to dangle in front of Britannian Big Business.

Also, if we get stuck as Second Husband to Lihua, even Aside from potential blowbacks against Euphemia's reputation, that's pretty much it for Lihua - Lelouch relationship. Without a need to patch up things from standing between her and Xing Ke, there's no way additional time spent with her will be voted for, considering everything else that needs Lelouch's attention. So if you are interested in Lihua's character and think it would be cool to have her appearance more often, place your bets on First Husband option.
 
Good catch, that's fair and makes Stewardship the most promising option for Minister again. In that case I would recommend voters to look at "Plan: Imperial Alliance + Mutual Benefits" for max synergy with Stewardship + Research Institute + Alliance if you are interested.

…you do realize we literally have said gold mine options already? We literally have the right to export Sakuradite from Indonesia already so we can use that as funding especially if Japan gets stupid and tries to cut off the flow to Britannia. And even ignoring that remember our little ability to convert Eezo into Sakuradite? All we have to do is tell Lihua about it and she will drown us in money for our piety projects. Also there's our nascent anti-gravity ceramic tech which is partially psionic since it involves trees that were mutated to be psionic.
 
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So what are people hoping to get from the resource monopoly? Just, cash, or hoping to get a bumch of eezo or something?

Cash, eezo which can be used for research or converted into Sakuradite which can also be used for research projects or sold for cash, and it also potentially gives us a secret way to start archaeological digs for psionic artifacts.
 
…you do realize we literally have said gold mine options already? We literally have the right to export Sakuradite from Indonesia already so we can use that as funding especially if Japan gets stupid and tries to cut off the flow to Britannia. And even ignoring that remember our little ability to convert Eezo into Sakuradite? All we have to do is tell Lihua about it and she will drown us in money for our piety projects.
We have a license to export Sakuradite tax-free - we're the middleman that facilitates the shipping, the resource monopoly would give us direct control over sakuradite extraction/allocation and set the prices. Our current license doesn't let us control how much sakuradite is sold and to who.
 
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@Randino Treviani It seems an old version of your plan is being voted for, picking the Australia support option >_<
This is the least valuable reward out of all them since we can already conquer Australia ourselves and can easily gain support from negotiations.
No I've never made a plan with mutual defense treaty. That is a similar but different plan someone who liked most of mine made.
Why do so many people vote for more than one plan? Is this even allowed?

Also, I think we need an informational post that collects all the available plans, I'm getting confused on what is what
Approval voting. been allowed in quest before.
Ugh. Well I voted for the version I liked. I'm not sure how to actually fix that issue on my end.
There should be an option to edit your original vote post, usually in the bottom left corner of your post I think.
Honestly a defense agreement with Britannia and the Federation would help Lulu's older brother's plan of being Europe's hero.
You mean the plan he is possibly abandoning in light of new evidence of a fatalistic anti Noble and Mentalist secret society in Europe which would oppose his aims and all the knowledge Lelouch dumped on him, including a new avenue of recovering his sister and suppressing her powers in supporting Lelouch's tech? Not something to assume is still going ahead in remotely the same form anymore if at all.
This is the biggest selling point of any plans with the formal treaty reward for me, in one stroke it undercuts piracy and solves the geopolitical tension between Britannia and China in the (South) East Asia, since most nations in the Federation are nervous about Britannia's encroachment into the area iirc. Japan is now cornered between two allied nations so it'll be forced to tone down their irrational behavior.
The pirates are already in trouble with both of they fire at Lelouch as her consort anyways.
Japan is already causing problems despite threats from Lihua and Lelouch's Royal status. They have that fatalistic pride that would see them throw away all the political good will they have with Britannia in offense over Lelouch infiltrating there nation, regardless of the consequences. This is just as likely to have them lash out because they feel cornered as it is to subdue them.
The same arguments about India becoming 'All Work, Not Very Fun/Rewarding' applies to Stewardship as well, we'll have a lot more resources but the main currency, namely our time/AP will be a lot more restricted.
The benefits of a place in her administration would be acting with the authority of the Chinese Empress and the Chinese Federation as a whole, a very large budget (depending on your specialty), and a rather immense allowance to work on personal projects.

The way it would work is that Lihua would communicate priorities for your sector and you would then decide what to focus on. As long as you have a good explanation for skirting her directives, you can get away with a lot.

Do so too much and you may see consequences, though. Specifically having your budget cut, projects audited, or having oversight increased on your staff. You'd have to do pretty badly on that note, though. Unless you start actively bucking her authority, she's not going to pick fights she doesn't need to. She has plenty of fights already.
Not really. Stewardship is going to be her big focus area, but she isn't going to be giving it much more oversight than either of the others do to having too much on her plate already. As long as some important work gets done, Lelouch pursuing a few "Personal Projects" is permissable, and not worth starting a fight over.

Further more, Stewardships overall goals are pretty predictable in the aftermath of the war, and too our benefit both in terms of proving Lelouch's sincerity and winning him further acceptance by Lihua's more suspicious Loyalists.

Piety on the other hand we don't know about. We could be dealing with fewer actions in return for less of a set direction in which Lihua intends to take it, but still some expectation of benefit for her people that requires us to pick and choose what we work on to avoid budget cuts and closer oversight. Both options have their benefits and downsides.

The big thing that makes taking over Lihua's Piety admin less rewarding in my opinion, is the fact that we are setting ourselves up to take over New Heaven and it's massive Piety organization at some point in the next handful of turns.

With an alternative piety super organization to take over besides in new heaven, one with no oversight, China's drops in value, leaving Stewardship as the better pick, so we control the wealthiest nations economy and can direct it to the benefit of Australia's growth, and can carry out our piety goals without oversight in australia.
 
…you do realize we literally have said gold mine options already? We literally have the right to export Sakuradite from Indonesia already so we can use that as funding especially if Japan gets stupid and tries to cut off the flow to Britannia. And even ignoring that remember our little ability to convert Eezo into Sakuradite? All we have to do is tell Lihua about it and she will drown us in money for our piety projects.
The problem with this course of action is that it would require us to basically go native as our detractors in Britannia would say. This Lelouch is first a Britannian and unless we have Charles go ahead I doubt we will be able to share our secret projects without backlash. All Hail Britannia!!! and all that.
That means until we start up our psionic training program in a couple of years which might allow us to produce psionic medics we won't have much to offer Lihua's government on the Piety side for the restoration.
The 3 advisor positions are basically:

Stewardship - biggest budget but least freedom on what actions need to be taken in the coming years. So we are unlikely to be able to divert Lihua's actions to our goals (at least in the short term). On the other hand this is a public position and if we do a good job we might gain another title and recognition as a genius in business/industry/management due to this being our highest stat.

Intrigue - middle road when budget is involved or oversight. The only rule here will be not to drop the ball and let some attack through. We will get the least public glory for successes and the most blame for failures. We will also most likely need to rely heavily on our own network in the beginning as we build our Ministry.

Piety - smallest budget but also the smallest job. Basically in the current Chinese government the cushy job you want to give someone without much requirement to produce results. There might be some goals here but not many. Mostly a private fiefdom for us to play in. At least that is how we will be perceived. Hard to produce results without sharing Britannian secrets (basically the results of our own research).
 
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
 
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Not really. Stewardship is going to be her big focus area, but she isn't going to be giving it much more oversight than either of the others do to having too much on her plate already. As long as some important work gets done, Lelouch pursuing a few "Personal Projects" is permissable, and not worth starting a fight over.

Further more, Stewardships overall goals are pretty predictable in the aftermath of the war, and too our benefit both in terms of proving Lelouch's sincerity and winning him further acceptance by Lihua's more suspicious Loyalists.

Piety on the other hand we don't know about. We could be dealing with fewer actions in return for less of a set direction in which Lihua intends to take it, but still some expectation of benefit for her people that requires us to pick and choose what we work on to avoid budget cuts and closer oversight. Both options have their benefits and downsides.

The big thing that makes taking over Lihua's Piety admin less rewarding in my opinion, is the fact that we are setting ourselves up to take over New Heaven and it's massive Piety organization at some point in the next handful of turns.

With an alternative piety super organization to take over besides in new heaven, one with no oversight, China's drops in value, leaving Stewardship as the better pick, so we control the wealthiest nations economy and can direct it to the benefit of Australia's growth, and can carry out our piety goals without oversight in australia.
That's reasonable and I would prefer the Stewardship position again - though I'm still against aiming for First Consort based on my personal opinion on the narrative, I don't want to "steal" Xingke's romantic spot.

It seems like Stewardship is generally unpopular though, the general sentiment I feel is that most of the supporters for [Plan A Better China] is motivated by the First Consort marriage rather than Stewardship.
 
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We have a license to export Sakuradite tax-free - we're the middleman that facilitates the shipping, the resource monopoly would allow us direct access, purchase control and set the prices.

Good point, fortunately my plan includes that resource monopoly. Plus as I later edited my post to include we have the nascent anti-grav ceramic tech which is partially psionic.

The problem with this course of action is that it would require us to basically go native as our detractors in Britannia would say.

…and? I don't see the issue seeing as we are about to launch an invasion of Australia in the next 3 to 5 years. Once that happens the Britannian public opinion is irrelevant and we can go as native as we want as we are then the Emperor of Australia with the full resources of a nearly untouched continent at our disposal, and if we manage to knock up Lihua our kid by default becomes the heir and the resources of two Empires, Australia and the Federation. We could stand on our own if that happens. Shit if they tried to declare war on us afterwards we could just give the Gawain to the Chinese and have them reverse engineer it. See Britannia try to invade us if we got an army of flying death machines with psychic man machine interfaces at our disposal.
 
Approval voting, because while I'm not completely sure about the plan use the resource extraction rights for going for the Taklamakan Desert and the Thought Elevator? Second Husband + Piety Administration will still give us a pretty good shot for it, regardless if things will work as Zrayz10 is planning or not when it comes to this particular issue.
As the desert research is an alternative to marriage, I figure Charles has a plan to make thought elevator happen so long as we end up married, possibly by having the directorate approach Lihua. I wouldn't stress it so long as we make sure a marriage happens.
I like the Plan A better China the best but I am against going for the first husband position when the QM said in an OOC question we should leave the first position for the general, so a slight variation of the original Lulu's position as second husband
As slayer said in the later post, the guide is the way to the best Lihua support outcome, rather than a necessarily ideal outcome. Picking it can potentially sacrifice other benefits and vice versa. Also, keep in mind that the guide was given ahead of more than two dozen crit successes, including strong successes in all our negotiations with Lihua. I think it's safe to say we have largely surpassed whatever position of good will Slayer Anderson expected us to occupy when it was written.
And Euphy/Kaguya/Charles have been informed and made necessary preparations in case of discovery, so we already have contingencies for that. My other point is that Japan doesn't have much of a leg to stand on crying about diplomatic breaches after they tried to coup Lihua and we caught them red-handed with the captured Eunuchs. Just call them liars and false allegations.
Genbu, is kind of a dick. Not having a leg to stand on didn't stop him from being willing to order so or die resistance just to spite britannia and the Kyoto Six, until his own son killed him to prevent his last middle finger to people more powerful than him from getting tens of millions of japanese killed, in canon. Man doesn't give a fuck who suffers if he gets to drag others he hates down with him.
 
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

While I don't particularly object to courtship with the Empress, I think going First Husband is a bit much, and second is likely more acceptable. I just wish there was another way.

Also I feel as if pursuing an alliance between the Federation and Brittania is going to antagonize Europe, and if there was a Plan Partnership without Alliance and substitute tax break or something instead I would take that.

I'll insert approval support here at lunch
 
What's the trap referred to in the update?
Trap of courtly etiquette, if Lelouch raised his head from bowing early then it would be social faux pax.

The pirates are already in trouble with both of they fire at Lelouch as her consort anyways.
A formal defensive treaty lets the two nations coordinate and cooperate in the region where before they tiptoed around each other to avoid sparking tensions. With that the pirates would be deterred from all of their targets in the area, not just Lelouch.

Genbu, is kind of a dick. Not having a leg to stand on didn't stop him from being willing to order so or die resistance just to spite britannia and the Kyoto Six, until his own son killed him to prevent his last middle finger to people more powerful than him from getting tens of millions of japanese killed, in canon. Man doesn't give a fuck who suffers if he gets to drag others he hates down with him.
Exactly, and who would believe the lies and false allegations coming from the mouth of a spiteful bastard like that? Genbu can scream but he's got zero credibility when put against the combined diplomatic clout of an alliance between two superpowers. It'll be child's play to spin his accusations until it's jumbled up as hypocrisy.
 
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…and? I don't see the issue seeing as we are about to launch an invasion of Australia in the next 3 to 5 years. Once that happens the Britannian public opinion is irrelevant and we can go as native as we want as we are then the Emperor of Australia with the full resources of a nearly untouched continent at our disposal, and if we manage to knock up Lihua our kid by default becomes the heir and the resources of two Empires, Australia and the Federation. We could stand on our own if that happens. Shit if they tried to declare war on us afterwards we could just give the Gawain to the Chinese and have them reverse engineer it. See Britannia try to invade us if we got an army of flying death machines with psychic man machine interfaces at our disposal.
You as a Player might be planning that.
Lelouch who has good relationship with his parents and multiple siblings isn't interested in screwing Britannia over.
We only get options that are plausible in character for Lelouch. Which limits our options.
 
I can't understand why so many want to marry Meihua, the benefits it would give us would be less then second husband of Lihua, and we also don't really haver any kind of relationship with Meihua, so I really don't get it. And we wouldn't even get between Lihua and Xingke, considering Lihua already has plans to take more than one husband according to the interlude between her and Nunnally.
 
That's reasonable and I would prefer the Stewardship position now - though I'm still against aiming for First Consort based on my personal opinion on the narrative, I don't want to "steal" Xingke's romantic spot.

It seems like Stewardship is generally unpopular though, the general sentiment I feel is that most of the supporters for [Plan A Better China] is motivated by the First Consort marriage rather than Stewardship.
Plan A Better China is only 6 votes short of taking the lead and we still have over 40 hours to shift the vote. I'd say it's perfectly possible to push either version of it into the lead, particularly if we remind everyone that we stand to absorb a massive Piety organization much larger and more experienced than whatever barebones organization China has when we take over New heaven, and that stewardship is a solid option for subverting Guinevere and keeping her off the throne whether we claim it for ourselves or not.
 
Just a reminder, despite being a continent, Australia has limited arable land and livable space with majority of the land being desert and livable space being limited to coastal areas, so unless there is some ancient psionic technology to fix that, parceling the land for our knights even after we claim it might run into some issue
 
While I don't particularly object to courtship with the Empress, I think going First Husband is a bit much, and second is likely more acceptable. I just wish there was another way.

Also I feel as if pursuing an alliance between the Federation and Brittania is going to antagonize Europe, and if there was a Plan Partnership without Alliance and substitute tax break or something instead I would take that.
There's a bunch of plans with Second Husband in the lead, but I would recommend [Plan: Imperial Alliance + Mutual Benefits] as a balanced spread with Stewardship Ministry + Research Institute + Formal Treaty. Slayer has weighed in on the risks of an alliance and it's unlikely to trigger them since it's not even a full alliance, just a NAP/defensive one:

Japan and Europe would be the primary detractors from such a treaty. Granted, as its not a full Alliance, it would just be a worrying sign of things to come rather than cause for full alarm. The impact would be extremely complex, but...

Well, if there's ever a time to do it, it's now. In the wake of a major terror attack on Britannia and general world-wide worry about escalation and violence, a defensive treaty like this would actually be a good thing to settle a bunch of nerves. In terms of second-order effects, you can expect Europa to start actively courting the African Unions and creating a larger camp for themselves through that. It will also likely push actions against Britannia into more covert realms than they already are.
Europe would need several years to pivot from their current 'watch and wait' stance to be militarily effective against Britannia in an offensive war.

Their only real course of action would be to raise internal tensions with a larger commitment to terrorist proxies and rebellions.
 
There is also the fact that as a Stewardship advisor if we don't screw up to much we can aid Euro Britannia and by extension Cornellia since they are neighbors with China. There is also the fact we can use our position to help prop up Euphy in Britannian court if we have a chance of her becoming the next Empress.
Basically an alliance of Lihua (Chinese Empress) married to us who are married to Euphy (candidate for the Britannian throne) who is a sister of Cornellia (candidate for Tzarina).
Piety doesn't give us many options for public support of our allies.

Basically both Fiefdoms and Stewardship are public positions that can be used for aiding our public goals. Intrigue and Piety Advisor positions on the other hand are basically secret positions where we work more in the shadows. We are already strong in the shadows. On the other hand we are weak on the public stage except for our eccentric reputation (our performance at both conferences both diplomatic and military).
 
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan Dominance
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress

I'm strongly opposed to the idea of marrying the cousin. She doesn't have Lihua's merit or status (or, incidentally, connection with Kaguya), and so I honestly don't feel the extra contibution to the alliance strength and longevity is worth the challenge of going through the marriage and coming off nice and shiny in the eyes of Britannia and his harem both. If not Lihua, then no marriage at all would be better, although I'm in favour of the former obviously.

Also, I feel that going for 'Second Husband' is a mistake. At least, I'm assuming Lihua wants to romance Xingke, in which case snatching the 'second husband' role from him creates an awkward situation where he either must step up to the role of the First despite his subordinate attitude, narrow specialization and comparatively lower status, or Lihua would have to pick someone else as First much to the annoyance of everyone involved. Lelouch going for First makes for a neat arrangement of a somewhat distant peer focusing on the politics and business and presentation while the paramour can be kept back for private matters (in both senses of the word).
 
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