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Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

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[X] Regroup and strike them from a position of strength. (+50)
[X] Yes. Lelouch Becomes Immortal.
 
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[X] Yes. Lelouch Becomes Immortal.
[X] Meet the New Heaven forces head on. (+25)

I'm sorry, people want to make Charles zi Britannia immortal? Sure in this story he isn't quite so bad as main geass canon but that's not exactly a high bar.
 
Humbaba said:
[X] Yes. Lelouch Becomes Immortal.
[X] Meet the New Heaven forces head on. (+25)

I'm sorry, people want to make Charles zi Britannia immortal? Sure in this story he isn't quite so bad as main geass canon but that's not exactly a high bar.
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I think the point is that he's less bad than Guin and less mercenary than Ody and will do a better job keeping Britannia stable ruling from the shadows than allowing an ever increasing amount of no longer dying from natural causes Royals to try and seize the throne via murder or warfare.
 
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[X] Regroup and strike them from a position of strength. (+50)

[X] Yes. Lelouch Becomes Immortal.

I kinda agree with the sentiment. Charles being immoral would definitely bring stability, but it would probably result in quite stagnant status quo world.

If Lelouch is entrusted with future of humanity he would at least know when to take a step back.
 
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Star said:
[X] Regroup and strike them from a position of strength. (+50)

[X] Yes. Lelouch Becomes Immortal.

I kinda agree with the sentiment. Charles being immoral would definitely bring stability, but it would probably result in quite stagnant status quo world.

If Lelouch is entrusted with future of humanity he would at least know when to take a step back.
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That's not what this vote is about.

Charles, as the current Britannian Emperor with a stranglehold on politics can retreat from the public eye, fake his death, and rule from the shadows to keep Britannia from imploding under the weight of an ever expanding royal family and their ambitions while leaving the minute details of how the country is won to the puppet emperor and their ministry. Charles would be a check on internal strife over the throne and mismanagement, not a direct ruler preventing progress, especially with Lelouch driving that progress with his technological advancements.

Lelouch can't do this. He has almost no build up of political backing in mainland Britannia or most of it's areas. He cannot step into the role so easily. More importantly Lelouch very much believes in the majority of Britannian policy and rule style, being not the traumatized rebel of the show but pro Britannian values prince who merely holds himself to a personal code of conduct enabling his kinder nature and emphasizing the better parts of the culture over the more restrictive ones.

Basically, immortal Lelouch is not secret emperor of Britannia Lelouch, not that that would be much different than a lighter hand Charles given how much Lelouch takes after him in this quest.
 
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I'm sorry, people want to make Charles zi Britannia immortal? Sure in this story he isn't quite so bad as main geass canon but that's not exactly a high bar.
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I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding on Immortality. Jaeger is working to unlock biological immortality/longevity in the future, so Lelouch will get that benefit regardless and him acquiring the Mantle now is somewhat redundant (except for New Heaven duel). Charles acquiring the Mantle allows him to survive long enough for the aforementioned life extension, otherwise he won't live that long.

Beyond that, like Randino said Charles surviving is all about keeping the world stable so Lelouch can actually spread his psionic revolution. Otherwise Britannia will devolve to infighting and over-extension that causes disruption that Lelouch cannot handle. Unlike canon, Charles is sensible enough here to focus on building up humanity against the alien threat.
 
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I really liked the chapter, the interactions with Lihua were especially cute

[X] No. Charles Becomes Immortal Instead.
[X] Regroup and strike them from a position of strength. (+50)
 
Okay, looking at a pretty big mandate for votes.

Currently, I'll give a courtesy warning of... six/seven hours, depending on how busy I am with other stuff. Regardless, voting is drawing to a close.

Next update should be out towards Halloween and will feature a showcase of Lelouch's units and some extensive combat involving New Heaven. I mean, obviously on that last one.

Adhoc vote count started by Slayer Anderson on Oct 3, 2024 at 9:15 PM, finished with 78 posts and 54 votes.
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I just realized that the tech breakthroughs mean we got Psionic Teaching Standards at the least. I kinda half expect Jaeger to shave his head and start going around in a motorized wheelchair. Just because.
 
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Or something simple. Professor J. :V
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when has Jaeger ever gone with simple? I appreciate the X men references, but Kenshin Jaeger is more of a Mr Sinister than a Professor Xavier.
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Jaeger was laughing.

Because of course he was.

In the face of learning that your entire species had been reduced to a second stone age, an entire epoch of their history wiped from the face of their planet and reduced to little more than myth and legend, it took a special kind of human being to laugh in the face of that revelation. Kenshin Jaeger undoubtedly possessed whatever quality was required to do so in abundance compared to weaker and saner men.
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    • @Slayer Anderson Had some follow-up questions whenever you have the time to reply, hope it's still within bounds for providing closure, really appreciate the answers.

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    5) Strength =/= Endurance =/= Experience. Lelouch is one of these things, but not the other two.

    7) 'Resolved' for the most part, yes. She's in a better place emotionally, but still has a lot negative feelings towards her country/family at the moment. Her father is probably going with someone else as his 'heir.'

    9) N/A

    10) Carine's discoveries aren't insignificant so much as not relevant to Kenshin/Lelouch's progression. But they are undeniably lesser, even if groundbreaking in their own way.

    14) It depends. India's in a good position to ignite a bidding war for their loyalty if/when they become independent. That said, it would be politically dicey to align with their former colonial masters, even with Lihua taking over and trying to make nice.

    16) Lelouch made a few overtures to Tibet, but didn't create deep enough relationships to go further into matters there. Specifically, it would have put him more at peace with his adopted 'past life' and given Lelouch more access to some things he doesn't know he could remember.

    20) I made a few rolls and spitballed some numbers.
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    1) What made Lelouch have that one edge on Victor who is ostensibly an Immortal vs. an incomplete Holder that had less training? Was it because Lelouch inherited from a stronger Ancient?

    2) Given 'Coordinating Relationships' have gotten crits on both Epilogues, did things develop in a romantic direction with Kaguya?

    3) Also out of curiosity, how many of Lelouch's family attended his Britannian wedding with Euphie? Mainly asking about Guinevere. Actually, did Charles attend his daughter's weddings (Guin/Euphie)?

    4) What were Carine's discoveries geared towards? IIRC from the Obsidian Princess omake she had some levitating chakrams?

    5) That sounds like there's too much leftover resentment/baggage for India to have an amicable separation/transition into independence in a way that keeps them aligned? i.e. Slowly granting autonomy like Indonesia as a CF Associate Member. It just seems like our political bloc has more to offer even if India were to be mercenary about it, especially since Lihua is cooperative and the geopolitical proximity, alongside Russia/Britannia/etc pitching in.

    6) Just to clarify, can we still try for that Tibet visit if we prioritized Personal Training in the future Epilogues?

    7) Also to clarify - was the end of the MEF war also rolled for, or was it more fiat based?

    8) Is the next update planning to cover the New Heaven's complete annexation, or just rebuffing their attack? Mainly wondering if it counts towards the planned number of limited epilogues.

    9) Were our psionic breakthroughs enough to help cure the conditions of Odysseus and Cellina?

    10) Does Charles have a distaste for religion? From the infoposts it seems like the Anglican Church + their parties are somewhat neglected in favor of less religious influence despite Charles being ostensibly the Head of the Church and a potential avenue for leveraging a psionic revolution or boosting internal stability/cohesion.

    11) Which surname would any of Euphie's future kids with Lelouch take on, Vi/Li Britannia? Or a new dynastic line for Australia?

    12) In terms of public attitudes towards Lelouch changing after his marriage to Lihua, would it be fair to say he's finally been accepted by the Britannian nobility through this tolerable niche? Likewise, to what degree was the backlash in European sentiment - entirely tainted image akin to betrayal, a more mixed opinion, etc?

    13) The various mercenary bands we hired for the China Invasion was said to have "walked away with a large bonus" in Epilogue 1 - did Lelouch not opt to hire them on a permanent basis to form a budding military for his new Australian nation?

    14) Did Lelouch's Australia absorb Tasmania given its proximity? I assume not, since New Caledonia wasn't, but just checking.

    15) Are Suzaku and Kaguya first cousins here? Not sure if it was ever mentioned but I kinda got that impression.

    16) When Genbu made the position of Japan's Prime Minister hereditary, did that imply a lifetime appointment for himself? I assume they normally had term limits?

    17) What did Bulgaria becoming an Associate Member in the EU entail? They stayed independent, maintain their own defense, and kept Constantinople - was the EU really satisfied with this scenario or were they forced to settle for this?

    18) When/how did the non-Area parts of Africa become part of the empire and why did they receive that autonomous status? (Eritrea + West Africa)

    19) Eritrea remained an independent Duchy instead of being integrated into Area 10 right?

    20) Did Britannia manage to get involved with the Suez Canal (like OTL stock purchase) prior to its conquest as part of Area 10?

    21) Was the Red Sea Disarmament Pact something Schneizel came up with?

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    Even as the rest of the world attempts to take a step back from hostilities in the wake of a major terrorist attack, a civil war, elevated piracy, and an attempted coup, the Rus Republic is determined to engage in increasingly daring acts of brinkmanship with Euro-Britannia.
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    22) Just to confirm, the attempted coup is referring to the Japanese shenanigans right?
     
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    @Slayer Anderson Had some follow-up questions whenever you have the time to reply, hope it's still within bounds for providing closure, really appreciate the answers.
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    1) What made Lelouch have that one edge on Victor who is ostensibly an Immortal vs. an incomplete Holder that had less training? Was it because Lelouch inherited from a stronger Ancient?
    A combination of natural talent, main character energy, and access to the 'root' of all powers.

    2) Given 'Coordinating Relationships' have gotten crits on both Epilogues, did things develop in a romantic direction with Kaguya?
    Will be explained in the next update, I think, but short version is 'yes.'

    3) Also out of curiosity, how many of Lelouch's family attended his Britannian wedding with Euphie? Mainly asking about Guinevere. Actually, did Charles attend his daughter's weddings (Guin/Euphie)?
    Charles presided over their weddings. A reminder that he's explicitly the head of the Anglican church and, as the emperor, he can't do something so pedestrian and 'normal' as sit in the audience to watch his children get married. Also adds that extra level of officiate-ness to things. No one's going to argue they shouldn't happen with Big Chuck commanding things.

    4) What were Carine's discoveries geared towards? IIRC from the Obsidian Princess omake she had some levitating chakrams?
    She discovered a lot of little tricks, like reliable small-scale levitation and things like that which she parlayed into this: Interoceanic Corridor of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec - Wikipedia

    5) That sounds like there's too much leftover resentment/baggage for India to have an amicable separation/transition into independence in a way that keeps them aligned? i.e. Slowly granting autonomy like Indonesia as a CF Associate Member. It just seems like our political bloc has more to offer even if India were to be mercenary about it, especially since Lihua is cooperative and the geopolitical proximity, alongside Russia/Britannia/etc pitching in.
    The higher-ups of India, such as the Rajah, are actually more politically-aligned with Lihua than is readily apparent, since they've drawn legitimacy from the CF for a long while now. It's the mid/low classes of Indian society that don't like the idea of being too cozy with their political masters. That and wanting a larger say in government is pushing them towards a more democratic system than is common in the CF.

    6) Just to clarify, can we still try for that Tibet visit if we prioritized Personal Training in the future Epilogues?
    I'm envisioning the last chapter of the epilogue as a distant one, before which you'll be able to pick a final set of options to spend time on.

    7) Also to clarify - was the end of the MEF war also rolled for, or was it more fiat based?
    A combination of the two. Rolls were used, but Cornelia had spent so much time WINNING that she got large bonuses due to simple momentum. It was less about whether or not the MEF could turn the tide and more about how hard/in what manner they would lose. The answer was pretty hard, but not enough to be completely subjugated in their entirety. Hence what's left of Turkey and Neo-Persia going their own ways as semi-independent states.

    8) Is the next update planning to cover the New Heaven's complete annexation, or just rebuffing their attack? Mainly wondering if it counts towards the planned number of limited epilogues.
    It counts, yes. There was always going to be one big fight in the epilogue chapters, it just depended on which anthill you guys decided to leave unattended and a few chance factors (rolls).

    9) Were our psionic breakthroughs enough to help cure the conditions of Odysseus and Cellina?
    Not cure, but it's a more managed condition.

    10) Does Charles have a distaste for religion? From the infoposts it seems like the Anglican Church + their parties are somewhat neglected in favor of less religious influence despite Charles being ostensibly the Head of the Church and a potential avenue for leveraging a psionic revolution or boosting internal stability/cohesion.
    It's less about a distaste for religion and more about Charles preferring more reliable tools of manipulation

    11) Which surname would any of Euphie's future kids with Lelouch take on, Vi/Li Britannia? Or a new dynastic line for Australia?
    Fuck if I know. Maybe I'll throw in a vote for Lelouch to take a new regnal name.

    12) In terms of public attitudes towards Lelouch changing after his marriage to Lihua, would it be fair to say he's finally been accepted by the Britannian nobility through this tolerable niche? Likewise, to what degree was the backlash in European sentiment - entirely tainted image akin to betrayal, a more mixed opinion, etc?
    Lelouch is much more tolerable having been 'married off' and ruling a distant island/continent than showing up in court, yes. Backlash in Europa United was pretty severe publicly even if the ruling politico class knew that this wasn't too much to get into a snit over.

    13) The various mercenary bands we hired for the China Invasion was said to have "walked away with a large bonus" in Epilogue 1 - did Lelouch not opt to hire them on a permanent basis to form a budding military for his new Australian nation?
    A majority of mercenaries become mercenaries because they aren't willing to accept national service. Besides, Lelouch outright owns the Crowns PMC if he wanted that. And some of the other pirates have been willing to officially convert to Lelouch's flag rather than just retire.

    14) Did Lelouch's Australia absorb Tasmania given its proximity? I assume not, since New Caledonia wasn't, but just checking.
    Tasmania is nominally a Britannian possession and there's currently enough space on the Australian mainland that no one wants to raise a stink about it. In a few years/decades it might have to come up in negotiations/arbitration.

    15) Are Suzaku and Kaguya first cousins here? Not sure if it was ever mentioned but I kinda got that impression.
    That's been my understanding of the situation.

    16) When Genbu made the position of Japan's Prime Minister hereditary, did that imply a lifetime appointment for himself? I assume they normally had term limits?
    That was one of the first things to go when Genbu fell from grace. So it's no longer a factor, but yes - the implication was for a lifetime appointment for himself.

    17) What did Bulgaria becoming an Associate Member in the EU entail? They stayed independent, maintain their own defense, and kept Constantinople - was the EU really satisfied with this scenario or were they forced to settle for this?
    Column A/Column B. They gave Bulgaria enough of a leash for it not to feel like one and Bulgaria didn't join the Britannian sphere of influence officially. Less than they wanted, but more than enough not to go to war over.

    18) When/how did the non-Area parts of Africa become part of the empire and why did they receive that autonomous status? (Eritrea + West Africa)
    I elect not to answer this question based on the fact that it would take too long. The short version is that they were holdover possessions from the post-Napoleonic era.

    19) Eritrea remained an independent Duchy instead of being integrated into Area 10 right?
    Yes. You don't start stripping away long-held rights like that without starting a big fight.

    20) Did Britannia manage to get involved with the Suez Canal (like OTL stock purchase) prior to its conquest as part of Area 10?
    Part of the reason they have the Duchies in East Africa, yes.

    21) Was the Red Sea Disarmament Pact something Schneizel came up with?
    Yes. It was basically one of the steps he was taking to ensure that the EU wouldn't be too motivated to interfere.

    22) Just to confirm, the attempted coup is referring to the Japanese shenanigans right?
    Their attempt to replace the Chinese Federation's Head of State (LIhua), yes.
     
    @Slayer Anderson

    Considering our psionic talent, was there a reason why Marianne didn't introduce us to C.C earlier in the Quest, or was this simply an opportunity we managed to miss?

    Also, what other characters could we have meet if we chose some other actions?

    Also, we know that Guinevere didn't come to our wedding with Lihua, who else from the Britannian royal family didn't come/didn't get invited?
     
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    @Slayer Anderson

    Considering our psionic talent, was there a reason why Marianne didn't introduce us to C.C earlier in the Quest, or was this simply an opportunity we managed to miss?

    Also, what other characters could we have meet if we chose some other actions?

    Also, we know that Guinevere didn't come to our wedding with Lihua, who else from the Britannian royal family didn't come/didn't get invited?
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    Have other stuff to do, so really quick...

    1) "We should meet CC soon, right?" proceeds to pick fief on the other side of the ocean and focus on that "I swear, it should be getting easier to meet CC soon." heavily involves themselves in China, Japan, and Australia "Man, I don't know what's taking so long to meet CC!"

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people did not consider sticking around and doing courtly intrigue stuff in Britannia, where CC was hanging with still-alive Marianne, to be the optimal route to meeting her.

    2) Too vague a question. You could have met an entirely different cast of people if you decided to do EU stuff, for instance.

    3) Another really vague question. Lots of people, for various reasons.
     
    Who was the father of Henrietta, Guinevere's eldest?

    I've been curious about it given Gwen seemed to use the parenthood as a political cudgel, I've always been curious what the truth was
     
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