My most immediate question to those who would know - is my suspicion this may not be the real Kiana justifiable in any way? Any time the prose starts to dip into less certain diction like "speaks in Kiana's voice" rather than simply, "Kiana says" or something similar I perk up a bit and start getting mighty suspicious of it - even when just prior it asserts "she's obviously still Kiana". Is the apparent fact that she doesn't know Vel and wants an introduction suspicious? I know it's been hinted that Vel is new to having an actual physical form but...
Without making you read through too much, this is Kiana:



This, however, is also Kiana:



Seele has good reason to be suspicious, but there's also a lot she doesn't know. Regardless, if we were looking at someone fully corrupted by honkai energy, we'd know.
 
Man, Befall is still so fucking good.

"Do you mean the animation or the song?"

Yes.

[X] She can probably see you gulp and you can feel Vel on a hair trigger to do something, anything, next to you, "Kiana? Your eyes are orange."

God (of the Sea) vs Demigod (of the Sea) cage match a go?
 
...Hahahaha, well played AI - this bridge twist got a smile out of me.

My most immediate question to those who would know - is my suspicion this may not be the real Kiana justifiable in any way? Any time the prose starts to dip into less certain diction like "speaks in Kiana's voice" rather than simply, "Kiana says" or something similar I perk up a bit and start getting mighty suspicious of it - even when just prior it asserts "she's obviously still Kiana". Is the apparent fact that she doesn't know Vel and wants an introduction suspicious? I know it's been hinted that Vel is new to having an actual physical form but...
Hmm.

Okay I had this whole big lore dump here but it basically boils down to:
  1. If canon hasn't driven Kiana to relapse into Kill-The-World-Mode, I really don't think anything can;
  2. It's not like Kiana's super-powered-evil-side is really onboard with killing everyone either, tbh, when she's not drowning in the Honkai's endless hatred;
  3. The fact that she made the bridge into a literal bridge is the single most Kiana thing I have ever seen.
Is she acting weird? A bit, yeah. Are the voice and the eyes concerning? Sure. But I think the answer is probably something closer to "Kiana's feeling a little world-killier than usual but is still okay" than "we are about to be treated to a classic Sirin Kiana lecture about how worthless humans are while she attempts to murder us."
 
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As opposed to a classic Sirin lecture about how Theresa is mean and all you really need in order to be a good Valkyrie is strong combat skills? :V

... These two aren't really separate people. Or at least, they don't have to be.

The world is already dead, though.
 
As opposed to a classic Sirin lecture about how Theresa is mean and all you really need in order to be a good Valkyrie is strong combat skills? :V
Don't be ridiculous that is a rant, not a lecture.
... These two aren't really separate people. Or at least, they don't have to be.
Yeah, but Kiana kind of conceptualizes it that way?

Kiana perceives a difference in herself, with the dividing line being "when she met her mom."

And on one side of that line, there's a scared, traumatized girl, lashing out because she doesn't know what she wants, just that she needs something and she's been systematically denied that.

And on the other side of that line, there's the girl who's realized that what she wants is cuddles and friends and moms and not being tortured by mad scientists; who has words for what she was missing, what she wants, what she needs to be happy and functional. Who ... like, literally takes up a new name as a (delayed) reaction to this understanding ...

...

I ...

wait.

oh.

Oh, okay, no wonder I was having strong feels but having trouble articulating them.

The trans energies here are incredible, as Kiana might put it.

Accidental trans metaphor that I'm sure miHoYo never had the slightest intention of making but I'll take what I can get. Hooray applicability!

Boo for accidentally deadnaming her earlier, sorry about that Kiana.

... I dunno where I was going with this, sorry, got distracted.

Also it's like 4 am I should probably sleep.
 
"This is Veliona, my inner demon who's also my better half because she actually does things besides cry. She's a haughty tsundere who flashes people regularly and like tentacles a bit too much."

:V
 
"This is Veliona. She's a chuu who likes to pretend she's a demon, but she's actually nice."

"What? Hey!"

= = =

In a recent event, Veliona snuck out while Seele was sleeping in order to buy a birthday present for her. She may or may not be the reincarnation of the Herrscher(in) of Death, but...

...she's a good person, actually.
 
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Chuu?
So does anyone want to, like, pick one of these ideas?

...I started playing with one of the less probable ones, and it went well. Up to a point. Here's some apocrypha for you, which has certainly provided a few ideas.

= = =


"It's great to see you," she says, in Kiana's voice, and if there's a slight resonance to it, you might be imagining it. "And this is?"

She motions to Vel. Vel smiles, then bursts into a short fit of laughter. "Don't worry about me-- I'm not a threat."

"This is Veliona," you say. "She's a chuu who likes to pretend she's a demon, but she's actually nice. She just acts like she's twelve, sometimes."

"What? Hey! I'll have you know I'm only eleven!" Vel crosses her arms, turning her nose up at you. "I'd say I'm busy and important, but I'm really not."

Kiana looks confused. "Is that... a slur of some kind? A word for those of demonic heritage?"

Veliona collapses into giggles. "Oh geez, no! That's what I am! Doesn't sound as cool, does it?"

"What's a chuu?" Kiana asks.

"It's..." You have to hold on to wall, to keep yourself from falling. "It's short for 'chuu-ni-byou'. In english, that's middle school second grade disease. It means you're a tween with a hyperactive imagination."

"I don't have a middle school disease!" Vel pouts.

"She doesn't," you say, "she's my reincarnated past self who likes to pretend she's a demon. Which she's not. I'm sorry, Vel's just weird."

Vel takes a deep breath. "Anyway. I'd like to say it's great seeing you, but we're in a situation. A weird one. You've been chosen to carry out the tasks of a holy quest."

Kiana's eyes widen. "Me?" she asks.

This time you can't stop yourself from laughing out loud, and you can't miss Vel's smile at your reaction, but oh god, poor Kiana.

"No, not you! It's about the other you! From the past!" Vel says.

"I have to carry out the tasks of a holy quest?" Kiana asks.

"Well... you have to finish it. The other you didn't. She failed horribly at it, in fact! She was supposed to destroy the world, and it's still..."

Vel trails off at Kiana's expression, the joke having fallen suddenly, horribly, inexplicably flat. Kiana's eyes have a haunted look, like someone who's seen hell.

"No," she whispers. "No, no, no."

"Kiana?" you ask, stepping towards her.

"I'm sorry. I'm so sorry," she says, over and over. "No, I'm not!"

"What happened?" you ask.

"I... I mis... it was because of the p-p-prison," she says, stumbling over her words. "It made me... so c-confusing. Confusing."

"Kiana?" You try touching her. She flinches away.

"It made me do horrible things," she whispers. "So horrible."

Kiana's eyes roll up into her head as she falls backwards. It's only luck that you catch her before her head hits the ground. She slumps there, unconscious.

"Well, that's not good," Vel says.

"What happened to her?" you ask, half-panicking.

= = =

...yeah, well. How should I put this.

You broke the concept of locking, and the AI hasn't forgotten. I, er, wasn't trying for this. The AI is being disturbingly omniscient, as usual.
 
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I mean if people voted to at least be cautious of approaching the near-omnicidal Herrscher of the Void then we wouldn't be having this issue.

As is no one who actually voted for the winning option seems to care much though at least one voiced an opinion even if he didn't vote.
 
I mean if people voted to at least be cautious of approaching the near-omnicidal Herrscher of the Void then we wouldn't be having this issue.

As is no one who actually voted for the winning option seems to care much though at least one voiced an opinion even if he didn't vote.
Considering Kiana's relationship to Sirin, it might be for the best if we aren't cautious.

The goal here isn't so much defeating the HoV, I think. Seele can't do that, and even if she could, the collateral would be disastrous. Rather, it's to put Kiana in a... Kiana-ish state of mind. Bringing up her past probably wouldn't help with that; joking around, or hugging her, certainly would.

On the other hand, we destroyed the concept of Locking and badly damaged the immediately surrounding ones. Actions have consequences, even actions as abstract as that one. I'd like to say it's better not to suppress your memories, but...

...Kiana's in a fragile state right now, it seems, and that's largely our fault.
 
Considering Kiana's relationship to Sirin, it might be for the best if we aren't cautious.

The goal here isn't so much defeating the HoV, I think. Seele can't do that, and even if she could, the collateral would be disastrous. Rather, it's to put Kiana in a... Kiana-ish state of mind. Bringing up her past probably wouldn't help with that; joking around, or hugging her, certainly would.

On the other hand, we destroyed the concept of Locking and badly damaged the immediately surrounding ones. Actions have consequences, even actions as abstract as that one. I'd like to say it's better not to suppress your memories, but...

...Kiana's in a fragile state right now, it seems, and that's largely our fault.
I'm not sure what Locking has to do with Sirin and K423. Sirin got out, what stops it from happening again is Kiana going "I don't want to be that again."

I'm pretty sure it was Kiana the whole time really, hence Sirin's mind-fuck in the simulator being what got her out.

But, sure, if that's what we're running with...

[X] "Hi Kiana, do you know where everyone else is? I was just helping Tesla repair the generators. Oh, and this is Veliona, she's a tsundere, but she's always been there to help when I needed her even if she was a bit rough about it."

*Remembers Vel pushing Sin down an infinite staircase* Yes. Rough.
 
I'm not sure what Locking has to do with Sirin and K423. Sirin got out, what stops it from happening again is Kiana going "I don't want to be that again."

I'm pretty sure it was Kiana the whole time really, hence Sirin's mind-fuck in the simulator being what got her out.
Nothing directly. It's just, when Kiana acts surprised by Sirin's existence and memories, she's not pretending.

Those memories are suppressed, and that concept is at least adjacent to locking. Only adjacent, so it's not totally broken, just weakened somewhat.

...on the other hand, apocrypha is apocrypha.
 
This is a bit tricky, because Kiana and Selee haven't met in cannon, but they apparently know each other fairly well here. Kiana probably doesn't care about the specifics, so

[X] This is Velonia, my imaginary friend. We used to fight a lot, but we both grew up, and now we're friends.
 
I'm guessing that Confinement and Containment and Suppression took some splash damage, basically? Not totally, because if we'd broken containment entirely things would be explodey - things like engines and generators and humans and possibly, um, atoms.

So all in all I think it's probably for the best that we've already more or less reached consensus on not bullying reality into submission any more. I'm sure reality will be thrilled, and possibly come out from the corner where it's been cowering any update now.

bluuuuh I probably should have voted this morning but it was 4 am and I was up past my bedtime.

[X] "Hi Kiana, do you know where everyone else is? I was just helping Tesla repair the generators. Oh, and this is Veliona, she's a tsundere, but she's always been there to help when I needed her even if she was a bit rough about it."
 
Scheduled vote count started by Baughn on Oct 19, 2020 at 1:40 PM, finished with 7 posts and 28 votes.

  • [X] [Do] Ask Mai if she needs help with anything.
    [X] [Event] Your sister storms into the room, looking you up and down
    [X] [Do] Ask Mai if either "Ulivik", "Rose", or "Dampening Field" mean anything to her.
    [X] [Remember] You enjoy reading fanfiction on Sufficient Velocity, that's why you haven't trained yet.
    [X] "Hi Kiana, do you know where everyone else is? I was just helping Tesla repair the generators. Oh, and this is Veliona, she's a tsundere, but she's always been there to help when I needed her even if she was a bit rough about it."
    [X] Introduce Vel to Kiana
    [X] Bridge section
    [X] [Do] Study
    [X] Pull off an insane yet amusing fix using conceptual anti-fire weaponry, aka. what used to be fire extinguishers
    [X] Free her
    [X] Nowhere, slowly
    [X] Focus on the ship. Remember it. Be present there.
    [X][Do] Check SV to see if your favorite quest actually updated or if it was also part of the dream
    [X] [Do] Load a basic, low-level template onto your laptop. You describe your dream to the template and let it analyze the dream for clues.
    [X] [Do] Listen to the girl with long, black hair
    [X] [Contemplate] Your sudden inability to think
    [X] [Do] Awaken from the nightmare of being a drone. Realize you just fell asleep while trying to study. Notice there's an update on your favorite fanfiction on Sufficient Velocity!
    [X] [Do] Break the shackles that hold you limited; seek the freedom you were denied. You are no slave to the machine of sheep. You are free to think.
    [X] [Contemplate] The voice's objective.
    [X] [Event] It turns out that a member of the Death Leopard secret society has put Fizz-Wizz in the showerhead. Your sister blames you for this.
    [x] [Remember] You have spent the past week thinking about the changes inflicted by that wizard you encountered, both to your body and life
    [x] [Remember] You have spent the whole week thinking about the strange, unexplained powers you manifested, and how to hide them
    [X] [Event] A flat blue box appears before you on it are written the words: Congratulations you have gained the skill <Contemplate>.
    [X] [Remember] Baughn lies.
    [X] [Event] Give half the likes in this quest to Datcord.
    [X] [Event] "Wolves come in packs Arisen!"
    [X] This is Velonia, my imaginary friend. We used to fight a lot, but we both grew up, and now we're friends.
 
[X] "Hi Kiana, do you know where everyone else is? I was just helping Tesla repair the generators. Oh, and this is Veliona, she's a tsundere, but she's always been there to help when I needed her even if she was a bit rough about it."

Oh, did I need to specifically re-vote last time when I noted the version Baughn presented that was in line with my interpretation of the original vote? I just kinda thought in this case that would be okay. Not that it would have helped break any ties or anything. I had gone with that vote originally specifically because I disagreed with taking an on-guard/suspicious approach with Kiana here. Aside from her looking like she might be in a fragile state where suspicion probably wouldn't be helpful, I had given that vote some serious thought before noting that it made Vel on full alert when in the update she was absolutely... not. For someone who has often reacted with guarded and warning behavior - she seemed downright happy to call and wave to Kiana here so as a vote it simply didn't feel right. But like... if I do something like that again where my vote/reasoning still isn't specific enough just keep poking me. Sometimes I need it. :V
 
Well, I didn't ask for that vote tally.

And it doesn't seem to be set up right.

...but for now, let's do some writing. :V


Oh, did I need to specifically re-vote last time when I noted the version Baughn presented that was in line with my interpretation of the original vote? I just kinda thought in this case that would be okay.
There are few enough votes here that it probably would be, but as a general rule please do. It's hard to be sure what's speculation and what's votes, otherwise.
 
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[X] "This is Veliona. You've met before, but you probably don't realize."
 
Seele Quest: 3.2
"It's great to see you," she says, in Kiana's voice, and if there's a slight resonance to it, you might be imagining it. "And this is?"

She motions to Vel.

That's right. She's never seen Velonia before-- well, not directly. Not as a person. As a part of you, while you were fighting, yes-- that's how you met-- but but you've never been eager to introduce anyone to your other half, and Vel's never pushed.

"Hi," you say. "Do you know where everyone else is? I was just helping Tesla repair the generators."

And... maybe it's time to change that. You're not sure how you feel about Vel. Sure, she's great. She's the other part of you. She trusts you and helps you and is your best friend. But...

You look at Vel, unsure what to do. She's happy to see Kiana, that's the biggest surprise. Normally, she's... no, she's never even hinted at wanting to stick around outside of your head.

('That's not quite true,' a voice whispers. It just wasn't an option. You only had the one body to share, forcing yourself into reality was exhausting at best.)

Who is Vel to you? What is she? Why is she here? What does she want? What do you want?

It's your turn to talk.

Maybe a bridge above an infinite abyss isn't the best place for this, but it's what you've got.

"Kiana, this is Veliona," you say, and you step up and put an arm around her. Vel's role, usually. Kiana's eyes widen slightly, as she sees how similar you really look-- at least, that's what you hope she sees.

You continue. "She's, uh. You've met, but I don't think you know. She's a tsundere, but she's always been there to help when I needed her. Even if she was a little rough about it."

Vel smirks. Kiana nods.

"Pleasure to meet you," Kiana says, extending a hand, which Vel shakes. "I trust you've been keeping my friend safe for me?"

"Hah..." Vel grins. "That's an interesting way to put it."

"So I'm not wrong, then."

"No, not wrong. Just... you're right, it's not quite how I'd describe it." Vel smiles at her and gives your hand a squeeze. "But you're close, at least."

Kiana nods, and the resonance in her voice fades slightly. You're not sure what that's about. "Well, I'd love to chat and catch up, but we should get going. We've got important things to do."

"Saving the world?" You grimace, and Kiana falters.

"It's a little late for that. Seele, I..." She sighs, and puts a hand to her head, rubbing her temples. "This is going to be harder than I thought." She closes her eyes, draws a deep breath and continues, more calm and in control of herself.

She starts walking across the bridge. You follow, stepping carefully. You don't think the infinite abyss is infinite except abstractly, but you still don't want to fall in.

"How much do you remember?" Kiana asks. "I mean, what's the last thing you remember before this?"

"Um..." You're not sure how much you should say. It's the question you've been dreading. Should you keep your mouth shut, or tell the truth?

You... You don't want to lie to Kiana.

"I sort of..." You look down. "When I woke up, I'd been shattered. I mean that... about as literally as possible. Veliona helped put me back together, but what happened beforehand... glimpses, really. Dreams. I don't remember anything concrete."

You keep walking. There's a strange, scared feeling in your chest.

"It's... there's a very recent dream. One I think I had a few times. I'm..." You bite your lip. "You're crying. Someone... died. I think. A black-haired woman, and I kept mixing up Mei and Ai-chan in my head, and... Is she okay?" You ask. "I mean... I'm worried about her."

Kiana stops and turns to look at you. She opens her mouth, pauses, then closes it again. After a moment of silence, she turns and continues walking.

"Sometimes... there are sacrifices that need to be made."

Her voice is cold, flat. Emotionless.

"Sometimes, you need to give up something for the greater good."

She turns to look at you, and her eyes are cold, unforgiving. She stares at you like a man might stare at a hated enemy, or someone they're disappointed in. Her voice is almost inhuman, now. There's a buzz to it. An echo.

"Sometimes the sacrifice is meaningless."

She turns away.

"Sometimes the price is too much to pay."

She stops, and turns to look at you with an almost... broken expression on her face. There's something not-quite-right about her eyes, or her face. Almost like a computer trying to emulate human expressions.

"I saw her," you say, your voice quavering. "I don't think she's all the way dead."

Kiana stares at you, her eyes full of a mixture of emotions. Sorrow, fear... hopelessness. She looks away, and sighs, her voice once more back to normal.

"You didn't dream about her," she says quietly. "Or, if you did, it wasn't her. I'm not that lucky. Come on, I'll take you to Theresa."

You follow her, still shaken from the experience. When you get past the bridge, to the... what *should* be the bridge, you see a beautiful vista. An island, with a mountain in the middle, covered in trees. The island stretches out into a large lake, the water a sparkling blue. The island itself seems almost magical.

"I had a lot of free time," Kiana says, the ghost of a smile on her face. "So I experimented."

She turns to look at you, staring into your eyes for a moment. Then, she hugs you. You squeak in surprise, blushing. She pulls away, smiling.

"I'm glad you're here, Seele."

"Y-you are?"

She nods, smiling more confidently now.

"Yeah," she says. "Yeah, I really am. We had a lot of good times, didn't we? The four of us?"

She gestures to a flat rock, and the two of you sit down on it. The sun shines warmly down on you both, and the mountain is easily visible from here.

"How is Tesla?" She asks, changing the subject. "Alive, I guess. I knew she would be, or none of us would be, but comms have been broken for days."

"She's in rough shape," you say. "She's asleep, last I saw her. I helped her get the reactors running, though a few of them are..." You're not sure how to put it. "Broken."

"It's good to see you're taking your job seriously."

You smile weakly, not knowing how to respond. Kiana continues staring out at the landscape, before sighing.

"I'm sorry," she says. "It's been all I can do to keep it together. I've made a few mistakes, and people have died. I couldn't even save them. I was useless, Seele."

"It's OK," you say softly. "I know how much pressure you're under."

"No, it's not OK. It'll never be OK. Have you ever gotten everything you ever wanted, then found it tastes like ash? Rhetorical question."

You glance worriedly at her. In some ways, this barely seems like Kiana at all. In others, this is still your friend. Bronya liked her, so you will too, even if Bronya's not here right now. But this isn't the idiot she told you stories about, forcing a rare smile on her lips. You feel like you don't know what to say.

"Try not to answer that?" She says, looking over at you. "I'm having an internal monologue."

You nod, and decide to remain silent.

= = =

I think that came out reasonably. I'm not entirely sure what happened here, but I have some ideas. A lot of ideas. ...let's put it another way, it's still not too late to derail my ideas.

[ ] Wait for Kiana to balance herself, then go see Theresa.
[ ] Say something.
- [ ] What?
 
[X] Wait for Kiana to balance herself, then go see Theresa.
 
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