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So, why does Bakuda not have a kill order? I don't understand. I didn't understand in canon either.
 
The Stormbringer said:
So, why does Bakuda not have a kill order? I don't understand. I didn't understand in canon either.
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It takes time to get one. They basically hold a trial in absentia. They also prefer to let villains administer the kill order, to keep Heroes images clean, the the local villains are already going after her, so there is no need.
 
TheLastOne said:
It takes time to get one. They basically hold a trial in absentia. They also prefer to let villains administer the kill order, to keep Heroes images clean, the the local villains are already going after her, so there is no need.
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So, they're both too afraid of tarnishing their image and too lazy to push past the bureaucratic red tape when thousands of lives are on the line. Gotcha. :p
 
In canon Bakuda didn't get one because her bombs were to potentially useful against Zion. Here she has gone even farther than her canon self, implanting bombs in civilians and not just ABB loyalists. In canon she also only went on a bombing spree after Lung was locked away, here she's doing it pretty much at a whim.

Basically Cauldron could ignore Bakuda's threat in canon because she was, basically, reactionary and useful. Here she has crossed pretty much every line she could so not giving her a Kill Order would not be good, so Cauldron will have to sacrifice a useful tool (Bakuda's Bombs) to appease the public.
 
Xero Key said:
In canon Bakuda didn't get one because her bombs were to potentially useful against Zion. Here she has gone even farther than her canon self, implanting bombs in civilians and not just ABB loyalists. In canon she also only went on a bombing spree after Lung was locked away, here she's doing it pretty much at a whim.

Basically Cauldron could ignore Bakuda's threat in canon because she was, basically, reactionary and useful. Here she has crossed pretty much every line she could so not giving her a Kill Order would not be good, so Cauldron will have to sacrifice a useful tool (Bakuda's Bombs) to appease the public.
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Except again, apparently Lung just straight murdered Bakuda when she arrived in the Birdcage, so apparently that's not the case.
 
GardenerBriareus said:
Except again, apparently Lung just straight murdered Bakuda when she arrived in the Birdcage, so apparently that's not the case.
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Except that Bakuda had more time to build bombs during the canon time line. They were able to salvage her workshop for ammunition as a result. Bakuda's continued existence wasn't necessary for the Path to Victory at that point.

Here they might want that chance still but keeping her alive or free would have a higher cost, complicating things for Cauldron.
 
Asuming she does get taken into custody and not offed by a villain or caught in one of her own bomb effects, she'll probably get Birdcaged here, too, but with the big heat on she won't get a kill order. Even if she went to trial and got a death sentence instead of the 'cage, it would be different form a kill order, because a Kill Order is the government literally saying "we can't handle this person, and accepting the collateral damage of anyone who sees them opening fire is still better than letting them run around loose." That's not something anyone in a position of authority wants to have on their record, unless they've really got their tits in a vice and have no other options. Bakuda, for all she's a rampaging psycho, doesn't rate that level of attention, and wouldn't unless she followed through on the often mentioned but never (to my knowlegde) seen "big one" that would EMP or flatten or irradiate or whatever the entire US northeast, or made a credible enough threat of it that they thought she was.
 
Czlyydwr Llrngwl said:
Bakuda, for all she's a rampaging psycho, doesn't rate that level of attention, and wouldn't unless she followed through on the often mentioned but never (to my knowlegde) seen "big one" that would EMP or flatten or irradiate or whatever the entire US northeast, or made a credible enough threat of it that they thought she was.
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Essentially, you're arguing that kill orders would almost never happen, because the government decided that they'd only consider approving one if the world has already pretty much ended and roaming packs of War Boys are queuing up to murder each other over the last can of guzzoline. Like, wiping out a quarter of the US is basically already 'end of the world as we know it' material. Mind you, Worm is fairly stupid and poorly-written outside of the street-level stuff, and your version of kill orders explains why Hookwolf can just stroll around and nobody cares, but I'd prefer to disagree with the idea that kill orders are basically a paper tiger that politicians ineffectually wave around because they think it scares those golldurn capey-mans.

Instead, I'd assume that 30+ years of superpowered douchebags would have created a noticeable change in how the public view violence, such that unleashing the hounds in response to city-wide threats like Bakuda was pretty much standard - if I were to write up such a setting, there'd be a much more... Tarantino-esque(?)* vibe where violence carries much less PR backlash due to decades of cultural mutation, and the government largely relies on a cabal of highly-funded Tinkers and infrastructure maintenance to make unseating them as inconvenient as possible, rather than relying on the threat of main force to try and cow an entire nation's worth of superpowered lunatics into line.

* Or possibly World of Darkness/cyberpunk, considering.
 
Mojiizen said:
I'm surprised Bakuda isn't getting a Kill order just for that one. people tend not to like Child killers
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kill orders have to go through courts and what not, and that takes time. a week is definitely not long enough to get one.

nor would it really help, knowing what we know of her. and anyone with any logic should be concerned about a dead-mans switch from the bomb tinker.

therefore, the same tactics would need to be used regardless.
 
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thecoffeeguru said:
To be fair, if she survives this crisis, a kill order will probably be in order.
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To bad they couldn't get her on the side of "good and cookies" some of those bombs would be awesome against an Endbringer....
On an aside.. "Endbringer" was actually recognized by my phones spell check/autocorrect. :o:o
 
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Huh, lots of double posts recently... As a friendly reminder, it's better to just edit in late thoughts if no one else has replied in most cases.
 
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Flash's sheer speed must be mindboggling after everyone sits down and calmly go through these events.
 
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