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Res Publica: A Quest of Ancient Rome

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Die Forelle said:
I prefer causing a storm of butterflies in world history when voting in historical quests. :p

Not that I don't like waifus. Though I prefer cute husbandos. :p
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You're in luck then, I'd say. Since this is Roman Patrician Quest, there is little stopping us, in principle, from taking all of the above options.

Sulla did.
 
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Are Romans allowed to have more than one wife? I know they had Harems but in the time of the Republic was it okay? Were there ramifications for doing so?
 
Valkur said:
Are Romans allowed to have more than one wife? I know they had Harems but in the time of the Republic was it okay? Were there ramifications for doing so?
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No more than one wife. Now taking a lover is not bad but you need enough clout to get away with it. Like how Caeser slept with a lot of people's wives. One of the reasons Julia minor is my waifu of choice .
 
Valkur said:
Are Romans allowed to have more than one wife? I know they had Harems but in the time of the Republic was it okay? Were there ramifications for doing so?
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You have one wife and you stick to her until she dies or you divorce her for money or power.
Then you can have as many lovers as you want. Take Caesar for example. The reason his sister is such an attractive option isn't just because she comes from a prestigious family. What makes her attractive is that we would be allies with Caesar and it would be all but guaranteed that he would not seduce our wife.
 
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Also just so that everyone knows the above is a very rough draft. I'm switching the Mariana being the problem to both sides being the problem.

Oh and Land reform. Got to have that.
 
Valkur said:
Also just so that everyone knows the above is a very rough draft. I'm switching the Mariana being the problem to both sides being the problem.

Oh and Land reform. Got to have that.
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Ah yes how dare the plebs want land. I am glad someone is writing a omake about those freeloaders wanting land, jobs and for there voice to be heard.
 
Nurgle said:
Ah yes how dare the plebs want land. I am glad someone is writing a omake about those freeloaders wanting land, jobs and for there voice to be heard.
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Sarcasm? I hope so.

Anyway the idea is that Minerva is trying to talk about a system more free of partisanship, greed, and violence.

Yes the plabes need land and protection from the elites that dominate with there wealth but the plebes are going about things with threatening insurrection.

What they need is a Senator or Representative who can guard them from the excesses of Senatorial abuse.

The Gracci brothers was a big influence on me by the way.

If partisanship and greed take further figure in Rome then Minerva predicts her 'death' and the loss of Rome as it implodes later.

Hopefully that clears things up...im not sure if I needed to explain that or not.

@Nurgle

Was that Sarcasm?
 
Honestly, the most achievable (and therefore most immediately helpful) agrarian reform might simply be to pass a law mandating that a certain amount of the labour on latifundia must be free men rather than slaves. It would be more palatable to the Senate. (By which I mean that we would be slightly less likely to be murdered.)

In any case, it's going to be ~twenty in-game years before we're in a position to legislate. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
 
@Valkur it is sarcasm. But you have to realize people do not like to give up anything. The rich and powerful of Rome will have to be killed in order to get land reform and have it somewhat permanent with a senate.
 
Caesar said:
Honestly, the most achievable (and therefore most immediately helpful) agrarian reform might simply be to pass a law mandating that a certain amount of the labour on latifundia must be free men rather than slaves. It would be more palatable to the Senate. (By which I mean that we would be slightly less likely to be murdered.)

In any case, it's going to be ~twenty in-game years before we're in a position to legislate. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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I don't know I see a lot of chaos and opportunity in Rome what with all the fighting. We already have a lot in the way of martial experience and finding a stewardship wife would be nice to help cover that weakness.
 
Valkur said:
I don't know I see a lot of chaos and opportunity in Rome what with all the fighting. We already have a lot in the way of martial experience and finding a stewardship wife would be nice to help cover that weakness.
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We lack money. Valuable money that we need to do things. Now we could marry someone but few wanted to vote to start looking for a waifu.

The chaos currently going on will only get us so far. Especially since we either have to back one side or the other in the current civil war.
 
Nurgle said:
We lack money. Valuable money that we need to do things. Now we could marry someone but few wanted to vote to start looking for a waifu.

The chaos currently going on will only get us so far. Especially since we either have to back one side or the other in the current civil war.
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I mean isn't war about looting?

Also Sanmians are to the south of Rome and we can apply to be the Governor and get then to stay out of it.

As Governor we can focus on trade skills while keeping the peace with diplomacy and law.

Or open up a law practice. Lawyers make tons of money!
 
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Sail west across the ocean and conquer the Mayans, then become rich by exporting chocolate, rubber, jade and precious metals home.
 
Valkur said:
I mean isn't war about looting?

Also Sanmians are to the south of Rome and we can apply to be the Governor and get then to stay out of it.

As Governor we can focus on trade skills while keeping the peace with diplomacy and law.

Or open up a law practice. Lawyers make tons of money!
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Governor is out of Atellus reach right now. Because the governship of Italia is also way out of his reach because of the prestige involved.

The best way to make money would be to buy the property of those who are going to get proscribed (sp) by the winning side.
 
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Weeeell

I mean we know who's going to win. Can we sit it out? Should we sit out?
 
Valkur said:
I mean we know who's going to win. Can we sit it out? Should we sit out?
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No we don't, because Marius was supposed to die between update 3 and 4, but because Apollo is pissed at Sulla for stealing from him he healed that old warhorse.
Now all bets are off (especially considering that Marius committed sacrilege himself).
 
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Valkur said:
Weeeell

I mean we know who's going to win. Can we sit it out? Should we sit out?
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We know that in RL Sulla won but we departed RL the moment Gaius Marius survived and also went towards the east... Yes, if the old warhorse (Gaius Marius) dies and it comes to a "new" civil war, which is admittedly not terribly unlikely, Sulla is probably the favourite but I really can't overstate how much the fact that the Marian faction is successfully active in this eastern campaign could change things. Sulla was a great general but he also benefited from the fact that the morale of the legions opposing him was generally quite terrible and thus many were happy to switch sides, assisted of course by the fact that the Marian faction lacked a unifying leader. With several "Marian" legions successfully active in Anatolia and thus of good morale and training (I think) the situation could be very different provided that the "successor" to Gaius is somewhat capable (the ideal scenario for the Marian faction might be that Seterius and his legion joins marius before his death and takes over). Depending on that Sulla in Greece might end up in the unfavourable position of facing enemies on both sides, Italy and Anatolia, which make his "conquest" of Rome quite a bit harder. And even if Sulla beats the Marian factions in the east it seems quite prudent to assume he will take longer than in RL and perhaps suffer more casualties, giving the Marian faction in Rome more time to organize an effective resistance (and with a solid general that isn't an impossible task either). Of course we might at the same time see a better executed coup within Rome itself, perhaps by Pompey's legions (though thanks to us he seems a bit unhappy with the Optimates) that results in faster/easier conquest of Italy by Sulla which could easily change in the other direction.

And then there are the multitude of foreign factions that might be become involved in a budding civil war, especially in the east. WIth both Marius and Sulla active in the region our victory over Mithirades is very different than in RL and that could have easily have unpredictable consequences, civil war or not. To name just a simple example would be the possibility of one of the two factions trying to get "Armenia" on their side by promising them territory conquered from Mithrades....


And to answer your other two questions - realistically we could probably easily sit the civil war out since we could easily retire to our farm or greece etc. for a few years. But considering that this is conflict is not only a central aspect of this era but also this quest I kinda doubtful that the GM is going to let us do that - it would after all not exactly make for the most interesting gameplay and narrative. But I wouldn't worry too much since as it stands we still are a pretty minor character with friends in both camps which should mean that unless we get unlucky we should be able to survive the civil war, no matter who wins.
 
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Oh okay. Well final question is this: Will the Samnites stay out of the war? Or will they go for broke in rebellion against Rome after a crushing defeat?

Is Carthage or Egypt in okay?
 
Valkur said:
Oh okay. Well final question is this: Will the Samnites stay out of the war? Or will they go for broke in rebellion against Rome after a crushing defeat?
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Maybe? We are pacifying them right now, but who knows what may happen in a year or two.
Valkur said:
Is Carthage or Egypt in okay?
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Carthage is long destroyed and in our timelime it would be Augustus who resettles it. It might be a project we could look into later.
Egypt is still independent, but as Roman influence in the east grows, that will soon change.
 
Can anyone challenge Rome despite another Roman? Steppe nomads? Proto-Vikings? Surprise Spartan army?
 
Valkur said:
Oh okay. Well final question is this: Will the Samnites stay out of the war? Or will they go for broke in rebellion against Rome after a crushing defeat?

Is Carthage or Egypt in okay?
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In RL the Samnites actually joined the Marian faction (which I think was generally associated with a more pro-socii stance) and nearly turned the tide but were defeated after which Sulla ensured their total destruction and they more or less disappear from world history.

Carthage doesn't exist anymore and the region is now a "roman" province (I think the kingdom of numidia is still an important player at the time though nominally an vassal of rome). And while it is probably "safer" than italia I mean to remember that some fighting happened there too during the civil war (didn't one of the marians flee there and try to regroup only to be beaten?) It probably depends on who holds the region and the general course of the war (though I think its grain exports are important for Rome so it is certainly isn't an unimportant region).

Egypt is probably safe though not exactly the most common destination for an exile, though I think its library is still intact so it might well be worth an visit.
 
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