Rags to Ithilmar. The Quest of an Asur Commoner.

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Gork and Mork- are they gods created after green skins got onto the planet, or are they also outsiders? Does anyone know when the first orcs would have shown up, relative to the chaos gates breaking?
 
Glau said:
Gork and Mork- are they gods created after green skins got onto the planet, or are they also outsiders? Does anyone know when the first orcs would have shown up, relative to the chaos gates breaking?
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Before, for sure. The army books mention them as having arrived from the stars, and that despite the Lizardmen's best efforts they couldn't exterminate them.

They say it was around their arrival for the Lizardmen, so probably -15,000, and circa -10,000 for the Orcs and Goblins army book.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
They are also both invoked through the slaughter of enemies. The rituals to invoke Sotek literally involve ritually spilling the blood of captured enemies until the temple steps run red with blood that flows like a stream.

Interestingly enough Khaine may be Sotek rather than the other way around. Sotek became part of the Lizardmen pantheon VERY late in the timeline.
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Khaine being Old One wearing War Mask and hiding as Elf God from Chaos is a cool idea.

Would explain his sheer loathing and monofocus on killing Chaos. He saw his peers get eaten/banished/whatever happened with Old Ones during Great Catastrophe.
 
Aigloss said:
Khaine being Old One wearing War Mask and hiding as Elf God from Chaos is a cool idea.

Would explain his sheer loathing and monofocus on killing Chaos. He saw his peers get eaten/banished/whatever happened with Old Ones during Great Catastrophe.
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Yeah, but since Trees was there for the Old Ones' arrival I figure if he knew why Khaine is the Outsider it wouldn't be because he's an Old One.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Yeah, but since Trees was there for the Old Ones' arrival I figure if he knew why Khaine is the Outsider it wouldn't be because he's an Old One.
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This is true. New theory then.

Khaine is/was the Everchosen of Chaos in the same vein as Archaon in that he wanted to kill everything including the Chaos Gods, but when his universe was destroyed and he failed he switched gears and decided to turn his powers against his former "side" and teamed up with the Old Ones in the plan to create a new species that can destroy the Great Enemy forever. In this case, a species modeled in some form after Khaine's own race back when he was mortal. This is why Khaine's language is different, why he can feed upon and gain strength from Chaos, why he can steal souls from other deities, and why he can grant his followers the ability to perceive the touch of the Ruinous Powers within the flesh and souls of mortals.

Or Khaine is just a self-aggrandizing bastard and introduces himself via edgy names and titles all the time, one of which is The Outsider.
 
Nicholas Brooks said:
Or Khaine is just a self-aggrandizing bastard and introduces himself via edgy names and titles all the time, one of which is The Outsider
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I think that one is well established. He has a lot of aspects each suitably dramatic. Heck one of them is a giant cat! The jaguar of night.

.. wait. Why do I have a dark feeling about Luthien learning Khaine aspected Ghur magic?

The forge mistress demands belly rubs and adoration!!
 
Derain VonHarken said:
I think that one is well established. He has a lot of aspects each suitably dramatic. Heck one of them is a giant cat! The jaguar of night.

.. wait. Why do I have a dark feeling about Luthien learning Khaine aspected Ghur magic?

The forge mistress demands belly rubs and adoration!!
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I think you meant the Iron Panther.

And Mayto more or less said that this is indeed possible before.
Nicholas Brooks said:
Yes this means we can use Khainite Ghur to turn into a Manticore and force the other Manticore to obey us as the superior predator.
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Mayto said:
...that's actually not a half-bad idea.
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Derain VonHarken said:
I think that one is well established. He has a lot of aspects each suitably dramatic. Heck one of them is a giant cat! The jaguar of night.

.. wait. Why do I have a dark feeling about Luthien learning Khaine aspected Ghur magic?

The forge mistress demands belly rubs and adoration!!
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The typical animals imperial ghur wizards take are horse, wolf, raven, and bear.

Luthien could take Khaine themed animal forms based on his titles.
Panther, hawk, bull, scorpion.

The imperial forms are kinda better for utility though.
 
Rags to Ithilmar Character Themes

Luthien
Silverdawn Village - Brandon Fiechter (Lothern Days)
Blacksmith, Blacksmith (D&D Folk Song) - Chase Noseworhty
To The Last Drop Of Blood - Beast In Black
Born To Be A Killer (Vox Machina Fan Song) - Chase Noseworhty
Stars In The Night - Paige Second Theme

Galdor and Haldor
Brotherhood - John Dreamer

He Who Flattens Trees
Invincible - Skillet
Protectors Of The Earth - Two Steps From Hell

The Revenant
Death Knight - Elden Ring: Shadow Of The Erdtree Soundtrack
Alive Or Undead - POWERWOLF
Hallowed Be Thy Name - Iron Maiden

Ulfar
Never Back Down - Two Steps From Hell
VALHALLA CALLING - Miracle Of Sound
Wolves Of Odin - Colossal Trailer Music

Alfred
Odinn - SKALD
Hearts On Fire - HammerFall

Khaine
Wrath Of Khaine - Total War: Warhammer 2 Soundtrack
Warrior - Disturbed
Indestructible - Disturbed

Vaul
Hammer And The Anvil - The Longest Johns
Creation - Ninja Tracks

Alliana
The Price Is Right Losing Horn - Sound Effect

A/N: Something I made for fun! Will be updated when more notable characters appear.
 
IronFist said:
The typical animals imperial ghur wizards take are horse, wolf, raven, and bear.

Luthien could take Khaine themed animal forms based on his titles.
Panther, hawk, bull, scorpion.

The imperial forms are kinda better for utility though.
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Also snake and manticore. I don't see how the Imperial forms have better utility though. A horse can go fast and far, but a hawk can go faster and farther. A wolf can track enemies but so can a panther. A raven can fly and watch enemy action but again the hawk can do the same, and a scorpion can hide much more easily. Bears are strong in a fight but a manticore is stronger.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I dunno, some of those elvish horses are faster than even fast fliers. Like Tyrion's, and presumably his ancestors.
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I don't belive Amber wizards use Asur noble steeds as the basis for their transformations. But if so, I think that it would be fair to also consider the personal hunting hawks of elven princes.
Shine said:
I think Imperial wizards do turn into massive monsters when they need to. It's just a much more intrusive spell than becoming a bear.
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They can, though Luthien transforming into one of Khaine's bestial forms is probably easier for her than for a typical Amber wizard.
 
Nicholas Brooks said:
Also snake and manticore. I don't see how the Imperial forms have better utility though. A horse can go fast and far, but a hawk can go faster and farther. A wolf can track enemies but so can a panther. A raven can fly and watch enemy action but again the hawk can do the same, and a scorpion can hide much more easily. Bears are strong in a fight but a manticore is stronger.
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Where is the snake mentioned as possessing Khainite significance?
 
Derain VonHarken said:
Actually the medusae were caused by Atharti. Although him blessing serpents works considering how many reptiles, sea snakes and of course hydras the druchii love having about.
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Thanks for the correction. I haven't run an in-depth read of the DE army book in a little while. Don't want to get the wrong idea about Khaine…or too much of the right idea from another point of view.
 
Derain VonHarken said:
Ah. Slight addendum. Apparently Hydras are associated with hekarti. The elven goddess of sorcery. Who has a long standing rivalry with Atharti for some unclear reason.
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The eternal power struggle between socially awkward nerd/artsy girl and social butterfly popular girl. The fact that they're both sisters surely only amplifies the enmity.

Not sure exactly how their brother Hoeth fits into that dynamic though.
 
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