Wot. How are those involved here?
Louise is explicitly going against what she's been taught as Good and outright states that her rescuing Henrietta is an Evil act that she's intending to embrace.
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Louise is explicitly going against what she's been taught as Good and outright states that her rescuing Henrietta is an Evil act that she's intending to embrace.
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I... seem to have misunderstood, then? Sorry?Randino Treviani said:
Hm. Aye, interesting idea; that might be it... Thanks.Randino Treviani said:
Oh, good point!SolipsistSerpent said:
Stopping Joseph?xeivous said:
Right, that isn't a Good part, given that a: trying to save Henrietta makes it more difficult to stop Joseph and b: Henrietta is an Evil necromancer.xeivous said:
Stopping Joseph is not an inherently Good act, much less when one doesn't do the Good way of killing him. That way is to blow the island and send it into the sea as he's probably going to die from that and Louise explicitly goes against that route for her selfish desire to save Henrietta between her love and her escape plan from being the Overlady. Furthermore she just wants to kill him, wants the island fortress, and does in part crave his power even if she's still super concerned about how getting more Void might affect her.
"Open Air" and "large space to move in" can be synonymous in some usages, but I am assuming that Louise requires access to the sky. This tells me that she need something to arrive from elsewhere. This could be lightning, rain, catapulted minions, flying machine... . Death beams tend to require a direct line-of-sight, so would probably be more of a "get the right angle thing" which doesn't seem to match her concerns. I am going to go with "flying machine". Get Fettid to a window to light a signal flare, then an aeroplane can crash into the room.
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...Hm. Yeah, aye, that makes sense, I think; thanks!xeivous said:
My current leading hypothesis is also that it needs access to the sky, yes -- though I'm not at present venturing a guess on what "it" is.Aunty Shi Ping said:
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Had this in a multiquote and apparently never used it, so not sure what chapter it's from (which might have been because I saw someone else correct it, but I'm not going back to check
), but presumably thump should be thumb.
Karin?
Calling on her is certainly something Joseph won't do, though IDK how Jessica figures into this. Or how Louise plans to escape afterwards.
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Louise is deathly afraid of meeting her mother as the Overlady, I... don't think it's likely that she plans on deliberately summoning Karin to any battlefield where she's still present.
After all, Louise is not suicidal.
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Which will stop Louise from making nervous bungles because she overestimates Joseph. Which is quite important. Granted she is aware he is stronger and smarter then her, and against such opponents surprise is important.I wouldn't say it's just this scene and chapter as far as establishing that to the readers; we've already been seeing some of that, though this is admittedly pretty stark. But as far as Louise knew, yes, and in fact as I believe she'd just been thinking: he seemed to have pretty much everything planned out, he knew so much more than her, she'd have to drastically change the game to even have a hope of winning, but he might have caught on...
And then, he reveals that he even knows her name.
...Except it's the wrong one. And that mistake, so far stark to her, when he delivered it with the same confidence he'd shown with everything else... well, what does that do her her morale concerning her ability to overcome the other things he was so confident in?
And so we have Lousie, boosted strongly by the fortress's power, her Good morals (protect the innocent, etc.) and her Evil desires (How dare he strike against me so?!) in full alignment that he needs to go down, and now with the certain knowledge that Joseph isn't as good as he thinks he is. He's still experienced and powerful; this isn't going to be a cakewalk for her, I expect. But I also expect Joseph is now in for rather a bad time of things.
...Actually. Thinking on it...
Might he think that Carmine is Louise?
Cattleya is the Overlady, obviously, but she got a loyal vampire from somewhere -- oh, hm, and didn't one of her siblings die recently? Maybe she set out to do something about that and get a minion in the process!
That must be a weird sensation for Louise, being mistaken for the 'shapely' vampire.
Which IF Joseph does...that really drives home that Jospeh knows less then he is implying.
Like I do not -blame- Joseph for never having seen Louise and Cattleya, but it IS very funny.
I am venturing a guess, based on this chapter quote from a few chapters back in this arc.
So Louise is doing something that clearly needs the open sky, and is low on rewards gained, and needs Jessica's skills and finished Hellfire bombardier...
Carpet bombing. Louise is gonna bomb something, probably the general area.
Joseph assumes that the Steel Maiden, that 'Cattleya' is like him, here for the rewards, the treasures, the power that can be gained by killing him.
Louise might have decided to just protect Henrietta and then -bomb the sugar- out of the area.
Which -might- be why Emerald is was send away but I am not sure. This could lead to the idea that Louise idea working too well is Louise killing Joseph AND Tiffania and on accident and getting Hand, Head and Heart...wait wasn't the name of this arc?
Now I am spit balling, Louise and the author might be bamboozeling me, I would not be shocked if it is something in that direction.
Anyway, I think we can all agree that Louise will probably defeat Joseph which makes me ask one question...
What will happen with Sheela the Marked/Sheffield after all of this? I doubt that Louise will want or can recruit Sheela/Sheffield but if Louise, the Steel Maiden kills Sheela the Marked...That will do -amazing- for her chances at the Cabal awards!
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Maybe she's gonna give him the glove and waste him with her mad square air skills.
It's something Joseph would never expect.
That's why she left almost all the minions outside.
Fettid is in because she'll betray her new overlord and be the best backstabber ever.
It's something Joseph would never expect.
That's why she left almost all the minions outside.
Fettid is in because she'll betray her new overlord and be the best backstabber ever.
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Honestly I'm kinda hoping he does know that Cattleya is a vampire, just because the sight of any anti-vampire things he set up in prep for his big master plan to abuse "Cattleya's" vampiric weaknesses just having no effect whatsoever on Louise will be so incredibly funny, of this I am absolutely certain. I like the idea of him simply just showing that he doesn't know as much as he does, but I like the idea that his plan will fail due to it hinging on a Cattleya-specific thing (i.e the whole bloodsucking thing) even more
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Based on what we know:
- Louise wants to defeat and probably kill Joseph, or at least remove him as an Overlord because he is too much danger to everyone with that power
- Louise does not want his power for himself, and probably not for an existing Overlady either because it would make them too powerful
- Louise would not want Henrietta to inherit the dark power, not before and especially not after she dove head-first into necromancy
- The power has a tendency to be inherited within a family, for example Tiffania inherited her portion after her cousin Cearl's execution
- Louise does know one of Joseph's relatives, even one who might need an open-air battlefield for dragon ingress
- The aforementioned Petite-Fille de Gallia was last shown to be in northern Tristain, close to Albion but probably not within traveling distance on a dragon
- The Princess of the Blood-in-Exile of the Abyss can speed up the journey using her access to the hellgate fastlane; the same would presumably allow Jessica to reach Tristain without being intercepted by the Albionese
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Wait. Wait, I just thought of something.Lizard Knight said:
What if she doesn't defeat Joseph... because she doesn't even try to? What if she wants open air so that she, Henrietta, and Tiffania can (somehow) just use it to escape?
Because... with Joseph's mindset, would he ever, ever guess that another heir would be so close to him... and just leave? That another heir would care more about rescuing two of his prisoners than about claiming his power? I doubt it. And Louise leaving would also prevent her from gaining the power that she actually actively doesn't want.
Mind you, even if that's the case regarding her first priority, you might be right that Louise also wants to bomb the site afterward.
Whether it kills Joseph or not, it should at least impair his pursuit.
Or that!Altaigne said:
My, so many ways this could go.
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She might not know the exact relation, but the Gallian royal house has distinctive blue hair and perhaps other, more subtle, familial features as the result of generations of inbreeding.
That would require Louise paying attention to her rival's quiet friend. Which I don't see her doing. Also while the royal family has a fetish for blue hair and incest, they are not exclusive traits and might have inspired copy cats from the nobility of the nation.
I am not much familiar with Tabitha's circumstances, so perhaps she has done the whole false identity thing, but I would expect an upper aristocrat, especially a somewhat studious one like Louise, to know the nearby royal lineages, and for the academy to run some measure of background checks to ensure that none of their valuable students are exposed to peasant cooties. Then again, the principal doesn't seem to value professionalism as his highest virtue, so maybe Tabby just moved in one day and nobody cared...
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In canon at least the headmaster of Tristains Magic Academy knew Tabitha was royalty. He was simply obligated not to mention it to everyone else. That and Tabitha usually never let her classmates know either. Kirche i think was the exception who figured it out after hanging out with her for so long. At least thats how i recall it happening in the anime.
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Guiche was clearly surprised during that particular interlude, and he's her party member for roughly a year prior. Louise I doubt realised during her school days between self worth issues, obsession with studying to find some way to make her magic work, and the benefit of Kirche being an excellent distraction both for their rivalry and, well, her figure.
I doubt it will take her long to figure out, but as it is now, more likely Tabitha's Cousin Isabella will be the first relation to come to mind, being far more public and involved in the affairs of the Gallian throne than Charlotte.
I doubt it will take her long to figure out, but as it is now, more likely Tabitha's Cousin Isabella will be the first relation to come to mind, being far more public and involved in the affairs of the Gallian throne than Charlotte.
A few things that might be relevant is that Louise overheard Sylphid talking to other dragons about Tabitha as an assassin for hire during the first Cabal Awards and Tabitha has expressed interest in having her uncle killed by Kirche's dad. Assuming she knows that her uncle is an Overlord, she might be interested in a job and Jessica might be able to get into contact with Lady d'Winter. However I'm not so sure.
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She has, yes. Her birth name is Charlotte. "Tabitha" is an adventurer who has earned knighthood.
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The Island is headed toward the south, where the heroes were vacationing at a mountain resort, with the last we've seen of them being Tabitha landing and informing the others of an invasion, and where an entire battalion and accompanying Airships were felled by Ice magic.
I don't know if Louis managed to get in contact with Milady Winters for a last minute contract on an unnamed foe to be indicated on site by jessica, paying extra to accept the contract without knowing who she has been contracted to kill, but Joseph looking up toward the sudden hole in the tower roof to find himself facing a diving dragon going "Om Nom Nom" is hilarious, and thus not something I can entirely dismiss as impossible.
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They were at the Montmorency Estate crashing Montmorency's wedding, the mountain vacation happens earlier during the Amstreldam arc and before Louise takes a side trip to Cathay.
Honestly, the heroic party turning up on their own is probably more likely than Louise getting an assassin who happens to be a member of the heroic party into play. Tabitha wanting her uncle dead would push her to act when she realizes what exactly is going on and gets close enough but actively accepting a contract on such short notice and whilst the party is caught up with so much is a bit iffy even before having to consider that Louise would have to remember the service she overheard about over a year previously.
What Louise's plan is exactly is a real puzzler though. For what we know about it is that Jessica is the only person Louise has access to who can do it, her personal skills and tech were useful for it, it would be something that Joseph would never do, it requires open air, and it involves breaking the web of scheming that the entire little show that Louise stepped into is. Perhaps repeating something one has already done would count? Joseph is quite for spectacle it seems and repeating something he'd already done might be something he'd be considered to never do so Louise could have Jessica enact something that Louise has already done before. Which brings to mind airship rescues as that would involve that bombardier and be how she got her first kill of a council member and was something she was up to doing a fair number of times throughout her various plots.
What Louise's plan is exactly is a real puzzler though. For what we know about it is that Jessica is the only person Louise has access to who can do it, her personal skills and tech were useful for it, it would be something that Joseph would never do, it requires open air, and it involves breaking the web of scheming that the entire little show that Louise stepped into is. Perhaps repeating something one has already done would count? Joseph is quite for spectacle it seems and repeating something he'd already done might be something he'd be considered to never do so Louise could have Jessica enact something that Louise has already done before. Which brings to mind airship rescues as that would involve that bombardier and be how she got her first kill of a council member and was something she was up to doing a fair number of times throughout her various plots.
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As a counterpoint, the de Gramonts belong to the lower ranks of aristocracy. A scion of that house is much less likely to know and recognize how foreign royals act. In contrast, Louise was a playmate to the heir to the throne and had met at least one foreign royal (Cearl). What might have been obscure for Guiche could be as clear as day for Louise.
Tabitha might be quiet, but she's hardly inconspicuous. She was one of only two triangle-rank mages of her year, and in general first-year triangle ranks are as rare as hen's teeth. She summoned a dragon as her familiar, and we know Louise remembered this from how she measured the minions against Sylphid in Chapter 2. Finally, according to the novels Tabitha was even less curved than Louise, and everyone knows you have to keep an eye on girls like that (Part XVI of Pope Aegis X's Lectures).