Look, if Louise wants to send a head back to the Emperor, there's obviously only one proper choice available on her side of the pond.

And that choice is blonde, has drill-hair, is Good, is a magical girl (well, a girl with magic, which is close enough), and is even currently in the company of an Evil magical girl named Charlotte.
 
...Great, now she's stuck in my head as 'mammorency.' Thank you so much for that.
 
TheSandman said:
Look, if Louise wants to send a head back to the Emperor, there's obviously only one proper choice available on her side of the pond.

And that choice is blonde, has drill-hair, is Good, is a magical girl (well, a girl with magic, which is close enough), and is even currently in the company of an Evil magical girl named Charlotte.
She even partners with a redhead with daddy issues and an insatiable appetite.
 
Is it just me, or does the proposed storming-the-tower-by-vampire remind anybody else of something?

Something involving an SR-71 Blackbird?
 
Salty said:
Is it just me, or does the proposed storming-the-tower-by-vampire remind anybody else of something?

Something involving an SR-71 Blackbird?
...not enough Eldritch Abominations for that comparison to work right. Also not enough aircraft carriers, SR-71's, or Nazi's.:p
 
"I do have feelings for you, but frankly at this point, not betraying you for complete domination over Halkeginia would be objectively suboptimal"
"But what about merging our bloodline, wouldn't our children be completely optimized?
"Unnecessary, this sacrificial ritual will grant me complete immortality, at the price of a powerful magical being that I have emotional attachment for"
"Ah...so that's what it does, what if I tell you that I'm standing in the center of the circle?"
"I anticipated you would alter my ritual, so I gave you the wrong circle diagram to prepare for this moment"
"I expected you to see through that, so I altered the ratio of the reagent to accommodate for it"
"Quite devious, too bad that my modification on the incantation would fix that"
"Not if I had edited your spellbook beforehand"
"I memorized the spell and burned all the trace of it"
"I altered your memory of the last year"
"......."
"What exactly will this ritual do..."
"I have no idea, but in case we wipe out the existence of the entire multiverse, would you like placing an additional layer of tantric element to this ritual?"
"Dark Gods please, take me right now!"
 
if Emperor Lee and Louise actually do have kids they would probably be the most efficient Warlords ever. that or they end up bred so well for Evil that they wrap around and become the greatest force of Good ever.
 
Salty said:
Is it just me, or does the proposed storming-the-tower-by-vampire remind anybody else of something?

Something involving an SR-71 Blackbird?
Yes. It is exactly like that.

Only it's an island, not an aircraft carrier. And there are no vampire nazis on the island. And rather than crashing an SR-71 Blackbird into the island, instead a goblinoid is going have a harness put on it and pull a crate over to the island, possibly while disguised as a log. And there's almost certainly going to be far less opera. And the settings, characters, and circumstances involved are all different.

But otherwise, it's exactly the same.
 
No vampire Nazis?

This is objectively suboptimal.
 
justbrowsing said:
You have to remember the timing for Halk. Nazis are a post-industrial group, and while the exact date range for Halk is widely debated (and I really don't want to start that one up again) they are certainly pre-industrial.

There might be some vampire Protestants around though. Or vampire Elves maybe.

I wonder how a vampire minion would turn out?
we'd have an overdramatic minion who is unminionly obsessed with flare and sparkles and opera? Someone who would be worse than Maxy even?
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
we'd have an overdramatic minion who is unminionly obsessed with flare and sparkles and opera? Someone who would be worse than Maxy even?
A minion like that would be scragged by his fellow minions and a sign reading "Do nut rebiv" placed on his corpse... Yeah, most minions can't read anyway, so the sign would probably also have a drawing meant to indicate the bearer should not be revived
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
we'd have an overdramatic minion who is unminionly obsessed with flare and sparkles and opera? Someone who would be worse than Maxy even?
Or dresses in red and caries a pair of large pistols.
 
DB_Explorer said:
Or dresses in red and caries a pair of large pistols.
The Blues hate it when that one is part of a mission, cuz he has no clue how to dodge and so he gets killed a lot in some rather interesting ways. Current record is 5 revives in one battle, and to add insult to injury, every time he gets revived mid-battle, he taunts the enemy about how such an attack was a waste of time against him. So far the Overlady has either been too busy to notice his antics or is intentionally ignoring them so as not to erode her own sanity.
 
Soooooooooo

I see there was a collective decision to go on a large tangent and - worse - decide to be kinda insulting by completing ignoring how Overlady steals ideas and makes references.

Pro-tip? Direct Alucard references like that? Not likely to happen.
 
Anyway, I feel now might be time to talk a little more about the Louise I used in the playthrough that this fic is (loosely) based off.

Firstly, you've probably noticed by now that I used Combat as my dump stat. And honestly, there's no real reason not to use Louise's Combat as a dump stat. Yes, it makes bits of the earlier game easier, especially when you can farm goblins without losing minions, but I knew from the start I was planning to pick up Cattleya, which you can do by Autumn/Winter of year one, depending on the RNG, and her Combat is through the roof (and even if she dies in a mission, if you retry it and can get her ashes, you can bring her back).

By contrast, certain bits of the end game need your Overlady to have lots of Command and Magic, and moderate Socialise, if you want the best stuff. So to be blunt, you're basically forced into using Combat as a dump-stat. I really wouldn't like to do the Griffin Knight level, for example, if I didn't have enough Command to use aerial mounts, while if you can't meet the Socialise checks at the yearly Cabal Awards you miss out on so much - and come across as boorish and blurt things out. Which, admittedly, is pretty hilarious.

But anyway. High Command = Want, because Command makes your minions better, opens up missions and new options for how to carry them out, and if you use Command as your dump stat your minions don't respond well to your controls. High Magic = Want because, compared to earlier games in the series, magic is cheaper and more powerful (sadly, this applies to your enemies too), and at the strategic level some of the high end spells are just droolworthy (like the high level mind control spells, which can replace missions with "get into position, mind control the town" as the mission). And, sure, investing in Combat makes you deadly in hand to hand, but I always find it to be... kind of a waste. I mean, yes, you can do the whole Sauron thing if you go Combat/Command, striding in with your hordes of minions, but by the time you've got a forgemistress and a Hive and good Command, your minions are basically deadly enough to swarm under anything that isn't a boss or a few bloody annoying enemies.

(Plus, high Command increases the chance of getting an Elite Minion. The five here are the five I finished my game with, and so got to carry over in a New Game Plus. Makes the early game completely different, being able to carry out those early really hard Minion Missions)

If you're going for this kind of theme build, incidentally, Old School Evil is even more mandatory as your armour choice (or Isah'belya's version of it, which is mechanically similar but made of see-through things). The way the mechanics work out, it's better to use your outfit to patch over the weaknesses in your build than it is to use the armour for a diminishing returns boost to something you're already strong in. High Combat Louises actually are best when they're running around in something like the Dark Sorceress or the Imperatrix, despite their poor Combat boosts, because they need the Command or Magic boosts to be playable (obviously, this doesn't apply if you properly invested in Magic or Command, in which case I'd recommend you take the proper armour for the health and the way that with the right upgrades, they're okay Command/Magic boosters depending on your focus). Too many end-game enemies can fly or get on high places for you not to have high quality minions or good spells along to take them out - running in and trying to hit them with your mace doesn't work too well.

(Of course, Old School Evil and Love-Me-And-Despair are basically the best armours in the game anyway, barring certain bits of endgame content. They have the best upgrades, the best customisability, and the defence boosts you get for "wearing proper armour" are incredibly handy even if you're playing a Combat Louise, let along a more flimsy one. I think the game designers' opinions about the way female characters get presented in most games are quite telling - as, in-game, Emperor Lee says to you if you show up in some of the more egregious "sexy" armours, you're being objectively suboptimal if you do that. [1] [2])

[1] Also, if you don't wear proper armour and don't make a good impression on him, you can't even begin his quest path, and trust me, the rewards from his quest path are worth it.

[2] The game is funny like that. It does offer you quite a few "fanservicey" options and then judges you harshly if you do them and makes the game harder for you. Assaulting Vajours wearing The Distraction [3] with a Combat build basically turns it into a stealth game, because at the end-game you're entirely reliant on your armour and items to not get one-shot by things like Griffin Knights and Griffins and Elite Muskteers and fucking mages everywhere spamming area-effect spells.

[3] Item description: "The theory is that they won't attack you if they're distracted by looking at your barely clad form. The empirical evidence suggests otherwise".
 
So, anyone up for a bit of overanalysis of that to guess what's going to happen later in the fic?
 
Jonen C said:
So, anyone up for a bit of overanalysis of that to guess what's going to happen later in the fic?
The real question is, is the Emperor Lee quest to get on his good side - I assume swinging an Emperor Consort thing would net you nice prezzies - or is it to strike him down and thereby command the Mystic East? Getting your minions mounted on dragon-back would take care of those damnable Griffin Knights nicely, I would think.

Either has great potential in both roleplaying and loot. I'm looking forward to it.

Edit: Not to mention we NEED flying units to properly get into the swing of things by Act Two: Albion.
 
BadRoad said:
I'm mostly curious about the Love-Me-And-Despair armor (largely because that was one of my favorite lines in LotR).
Oh, Love-Me-And-Despair is just Isah'belya's version of Old School Evil. Similar stats, better boosts to Socialise and Magic in return for worse Health and Combat boosts, and... well, you're probably not going to see it much in this story, but basically, Jessica's aesthetics are the "classic" evil. Lots of steel (and then later replacement Evil materials), her tower upgrade options mix the "recast modern technology" thing the Abyss has with basalt and marble and the like... that sort of thing. By contrast, Isah'belya is...well, to be blunt, she's kind of more JRPG about things. Her stuff is this slightly sci-fi-fantasy almost art deco style; the high end stuff looks more like it belongs in Final Fantasy for a villain. And she uses a lot of translucent materials in stuff, so Love-Me-And-Despair does cover you up, but it does it with evil crystals and verdigris brass [1].

It also costs about four times as much to buy. Old School Evil wasn't cheap; I waved over the large amount of grinding you have to do clearing out the lower tower levels to get it on your first purchase from Jessica. Normally, you can only afford it about... oh, usually after Mott. That's the first time you really have cash to spend, unless you go for some of the overlevelled missions which you can only normally do on a New Game Plus or by being really good with Minion Missions (and on your first game, you'll probably only have a few Elite Browns at that point; an Elite Blue is basically a godsend for Minion Missions). A lot of Isah'belya's stuff is a complete money hog, and... oh look, choosing her opens up a new range of missions from Abyssal contacts with big payoffs, but a certain degree of "loss of agency".

[1] It does somewhat bug me that I chose Jessica for this story, because I actually find Isah'belya's character arc more satisfying. But the game makes you feel so bad about not keeping Jessica and I am trying to keep Louise sympathetic.
 
EarthScorpion said:
so Love-Me-And-Despair does cover you up, but it does it with evil crystals and verdigris brass
Upon reading that the first thing to come to mind was another Louise suing for copyright infringement... with green fire.
 
I can't help but feel Isabella's tower motif would make up the points Louise would lose with Lee for her skimpy, non-optimal armor.

And is there no option for some nice all-ncompassing black robes? Evil Wizard, not Overlord?
 
Ok now we are getting silly people - this is not Camelot.

Would it be possible that the group of hero's could be sent after the necromancer in his tower at the same time Louise goes to take it down?
 
GhostStalker said:
People trying to poorly ape EarthScorpion's world building again in this thread after he does such a masterful job of it and failing at it and pretty much just serving to piss him off via their inadvertent (or maybe purposeful? I dunno with some people) shitposting? Why am I not surprised? Why do his threads seem to draw this kind of stuff, anyway?

But yeah, back on the worldbuilding stuff. I really want to hear more about alternate routes that this fic could have taken. That line about Isah'belya's character arc makes me want to see it now, but not at the expense of Jessica, like you said yourself there in the footnote.
Amen. It's fine when Aleph does it (being a long-time collaberator and coauthor on other projects has perks) and academia nut seems to get the humor, enough that I don't think ES is gonna get pissed about his bit, but I'm gonna start reporting the rest for shitposting and trolling the author given that rather nasty flareup last thread.
 
Back on topic! Wonder how Cattleya's encounter with (possible) necromancer Eleanor will go.
 
Back
Top