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One Punch Man - The Anime

Feng Lengshun said:
Mostly the backstories. It was pretty funny in the first episode, then it was kind of... not bad at the second (mostly due to Saitama's retort to it), but by episode four, all of these backstories are just... eh. Being a parody, in general, felt like an excuse for it to not make truly interesting backgrounds and types of heroes/villains anymore.
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Lemme guess. You haven't read the Garou arc in the webcomic. Spoilers: all the S Rank heroes are amazing and could easily carry an entire series on their own. Even the fat guy. Especially the fat guy.

Anyway, looking at events to come...we'll probably get to the meteor at episode 7 or 8, leaving four-ish episodes for the Sea King and Boros. That's when things sorta stop being one note gags.

runeblue360 said:
I think it's more due to how he trained. All of the other mysterious beings limited themselves by pushing themselves into categories. That's why Garou was ultimately a failure; he defined himself as a monster.

In comparison, Saitama only focused on breaking his next limit.
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Actually, I don't think Garou was a failure at all. He'd broken his limiter for a grand total of, what, a week by the time he fought Saitama? If we assume that they both have the same method of powering up, someone whose been fighting S class threats for at least two years is definitely going to have an advantage over someone whose been doing it for, well, not even a year. Heck, he got his ass kicked by Bang so hard he couldn't even fight back a couple of days before the kid got kidnapped - and that's with Bang having called in his brother for the express purpose of holding back so he wouldn't kill Garou.

Remember, aside from Saitama and maaaaybe Tatsumaki, Garou was by far the most powerful entity in the conflict. He took out Overgrown Rover in one hit, a mysterious entity that took the Hotpot Alliance (which included Bang who was not hilding back at the time) serious effort to even scratch. He was so far beyond everyone but Tatsumaki at that point that it's not funny.

That's some ridiculous growth.

But still, Saitama was right about Garou not being focused on his goals. Garou only had a vague and hilariously inaccurate concept of what he felt a monster should be in his mind and hadn't planned out what he was going to do with his power at all. Meanwhile, even though he was living in abject poverty at the time, Saitama was doing what he'd always decided he'd do, without any weird idealistic compromises.

Even if they were on equal footing, Saitama would still win.



...also, why do people keep saying that the characterization from the first episode is completely thrown out? That's not true at all.
 
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GilliamYaeger said:
Lemme guess. You haven't read the Garou arc in the webcomic. Spoilers: all the S Rank heroes are amazing and could easily carry an entire series on their own. Even the fat guy. Especially the fat guy.

Anyway, looking at events to come...we'll probably get to the meteor at episode 7 or 8, leaving four-ish episodes for the Sea King and Boros. That's when things sorta stop being one note gags.
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I've read the manga about up to... the point where Saitama joins the S-Ranks, I think. But it was so long ago that I only half-remember this. The only real standout I remember was when Saitama decided to pull a Beater after defeating the enemy (was that the Sea King?), which was pretty compelling, but then after that it was used as a sort-of tired joke again as Saitama was never really acknowledged because -ugh- comedy series and their status quo (something which I've become more critical of thanks to Prison School upping my standard on the matter).

And I'm sorry, but this sounds like the usual "It gets better later," excuse. Which might indeed be true, but it's still a weakness that the early/current parts are not as good/interesting/engaging (note: even if I like something, I never see it as a reason to not criticize it).
 
Feng Lengshun said:
I've read the manga about up to... the point where Saitama joins the S-Ranks, I think. But it was so long ago that I only half-remember this. The only real standout I remember was when Saitama decided to pull a Beater after defeating the enemy (was that the Sea King?), which was pretty compelling, but then after that it was used as a sort-of tired joke again as Saitama was never really acknowledged because -ugh- comedy series and their status quo (something which I've become more critical of thanks to Prison School upping my standard on the matter).

And I'm sorry, but this sounds like the usual "It gets better later," excuse. Which might indeed be true, but it's still a weakness that the early/current parts are not as good/interesting/engaging (note: even if I like something, I never see it as a reason to not criticize it).
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Saitama never joins the S-Ranks. Even after Garou he's only A - despite a ton of the S-Rankers (and Sweet Mask) seeing him beat the shit out of Garou.

Also, considering things we've started learning in the Garou arc, which put the first monsters rant about having been created by the planet to punish humanity in a very different light, I don't think the whole 'Saitama is ignored by everyone' is as much of a throwaway gag as it seems to be. A lot of people, including me, reckon that Saitama's actually Blast and the Hero Association is deliberately trying to cover up his existence for some reason.
 
Not sure. I think it was after the Meteor arc? Like I said, I only half-remember stuffs I read so I'm effectively going in almost-blind in the anime now, and I don't have any intention of reading/picking up the manga until the anime has ended to avoid contamination/biases on my opinions (god knows I already have too big a bias for Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry - not that I didn't criticize that one too).
 
GilliamYaeger said:
Saitama never joins the S-Ranks. Even after Garou he's only A - despite a ton of the S-Rankers (and Sweet Mask) seeing him beat the shit out of Garou.

Also, considering things we've started learning in the Garou arc, which put the first monsters rant about having been created by the planet to punish humanity in a very different light, I don't think the whole 'Saitama is ignored by everyone' is as much of a throwaway gag as it seems to be. A lot of people, including me, reckon that Saitama's actually Blast and the Hero Association is deliberately trying to cover up his existence for some reason.
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Haven't gotten that far into the webcomic, mind expanding on this point? Feel free to spoiler or whatever, I'm not bothered.
 
Claudette Savagely said:
Haven't gotten that far into the webcomic, mind expanding on this point? Feel free to spoiler or whatever, I'm not bothered.
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Righty-o.

So in the Monster Association there's this dude called Homeless Emperor. He's monstrously powerful to the point where he can one-shot Zombieman (not that it ever sticks though). Anyway, Zombieman and Homeless Emperor fight for a bit before Zombieman decides to ask Homeless Emperor what the fuck his deal is. Homeless Emperor explains that after he lost his job, he suddenly decided that humanity should be destroyed. Then he was granted power by God.

Later on, after his defeat, God returns to take it all back.

Now, the REALLY interesting thing happens later on, after the Monster Association's defeat. Psykos, the leader of the MA, was once Fubuki's best friend and fellow psyker. In High School they had this little club where they plotted world domination, in a childish way - nothing too special. But suddenly, after developing a power to see the future...Psykos went completely insane. Now, the key thing here is what happened after she was defeated...

Whats really interesting is that this is a common string among 'monsters'. The very first villain, not!Piccolo, was ranting about the exact same shit that Homeless Emperor and Psykos were. The House of Evolution was founded on very similar principles. Most of the random monsters that show up mention things along these lines. And I'm pretty sure there's more that I've forgotten.

Also something is seriously fucked up with Sweet Mask.

Also also, I'm pretty sure that the person who Boros came to earth to find wasn't Saitama, but Garou.
 
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GilliamYaeger said:
Saitama never joins the S-Ranks. Even after Garou he's only A - despite a ton of the S-Rankers (and Sweet Mask) seeing him beat the shit out of Garou.

Also, considering things we've started learning in the Garou arc, which put the first monsters rant about having been created by the planet to punish humanity in a very different light, I don't think the whole 'Saitama is ignored by everyone' is as much of a throwaway gag as it seems to be. A lot of people, including me, reckon that Saitama's actually Blast and the Hero Association is deliberately trying to cover up his existence for some reason.
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I'd like some insight into that Saitama = Blast theory. I've heard a crap load of theories floating out and about it, and while I do think the "Saitama is Blast" theory seems most appropriate in terms of narrative, is there any hidden indication in the plot to indicate this? The theory that Blast is related to Bang because Bang's brother is Bomb and the Bang-Bomb-Blast thing matches well was also a neat theory I saw, among others.
 
Sockpuppet said:
I'd like some insight into that Saitama = Blast theory. I've heard a crap load of theories floating out and about it, and while I do think the "Saitama is Blast" theory seems most appropriate in terms of narrative, is there any hidden indication in the plot to indicate this? The theory that Blast is related to Bang because Bang's brother is Bomb and the Bang-Bomb-Blast thing matches well was also a neat theory I saw, among others.
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There's a couple of major theories running around regarding Blast, and when I think about it there are three that most prominently come to mind.

Blast is Saitama.
Saitama is the only hero we know of who is stronger than Tatsumaki and thus deserving of the number 1 S-Rank position. If we assume that his existence was deliberately covered up by the upper ranks of the Hero Association, then everything fits into place - why, despite saving the world and destroying so many otherwise invincible threats, nobody knows who he is. In addition, do remember who the owner of the Hero Association is. That's right, its Chinman Senior. You'd think that he'd be keeping tabs on the man who saved his son and inspired the Hero Association, wouldn't you?

But there's a chance that something else is going on with Saitama. If we assume that the one Boros came to find was Garou, not Saitama, then another possibility presents itself: Saitama doesn't show up on precognition...

Blast is Pig God.
Pig God has something up his sleeve. We know that Pig God can safely store people inside him. Could Pig God be hiding Blast inside himself, or could his final weapon be 'Blast'? Judging from his actions, Pig God does seem to be the kind of guy who'd rather keep to himself...

Blast is Bang's brother.
This one's pretty obvious.
 
GilliamYaeger said:
But there's a chance that something else is going on with Saitama. If we assume that the one Boros came to find was Garou, not Saitama, then another possibility presents itself: Saitama doesn't show up on precognition...
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That's what I'm assuming, Saitama is effectively a wild card to things like fate and the one behind the hobo. And part of that is I assume he got his strength not by having high potential, but by ignoring/shattering and completely destroying all of his limits on accident.
 
Sockpuppet said:
Boros' prophecy was pretty explicit in that he'd fight a worthy opponent rather than eating a complete stomp. Garou would fit that bill much better than Saitama would.

Unless I am missing something that links garou and Boros together.
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Thats basically it, yeah. I personally like the theory because it makes Saitama out to be something that shouldn't exist. Like, imagine for a moment what would have happened if Saitama didn't exist. Where would the Ashura Kaburo and the House of Evolution plotline have gone? Purple Piccolo? The giant and genius brothers? The Sea King? If he hadn't killed Boros, how would his fight with Garou have gone? Wouldn't it have resulted in Garou becoming a hero instead of a monster?

Its like Saitama is actively breaking the 'story' of the universe apart by complete accident. Bending fate over and fucking it by merely existing, if you will.
 
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GilliamYaeger said:
Thats basically it, yeah. I personally like the theory because it makes Saitama out to be something that shouldn't exist. Like, imagine for a moment what would have happened if Saitama didn't exist. Where would the Ashura Kaburo and the House of Evolution plotline have gone? Purple Piccolo? The giant and genius brothers? If he hadn't killed Boros, how would his fight with Garou have gone? Wouldn't it have resulted in Garou becoming a hero instead of a monster?

Its like Saitama is actively breaking the 'story' of the universe apart by complete accident. Bending fate over and fucking it by merely existing, if you will.
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It's actually a bit worse then that, there's all of the other things Saitama dealt with that were never really covered between him deciding to go full hero and the series starting.

Though that does make me wonder about the monster he came across when he was a kid.
 
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GilliamYaeger said:
Thats basically it, yeah. I personally like the theory because it makes Saitama out to be something that shouldn't exist. Like, imagine for a moment what would have happened if Saitama didn't exist. Where would the Ashura Kaburo and the House of Evolution plotline have gone? Purple Piccolo? The giant and genius brothers? The Sea King? If he hadn't killed Boros, how would his fight with Garou have gone? Wouldn't it have resulted in Garou becoming a hero instead of a monster?

Its like Saitama is actively breaking the 'story' of the universe apart by complete accident. Bending fate over and fucking it by merely existing, if you will.
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Well, someone posted the databook online, and it contains the hero association disaster levels for all the monsters before Garou. According to it, the House of Evolution had three demon level threats (Beast King, Armored Gorilla, Mosquito Girl) and a dragon level threat (Asura Rhino). Also, Purple Piccolo and the giant and genius brothers are both dragon level threats. Seeing how poorly most S-class heroes fared against the dragon level threats of the monster association, all of these would require multiple S-class heroes/Tatsumaki to handle.
 
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Claudette Savagely said:
Not to mention Masters Bang and Bomb, who appear to be superlative human martial artists instead of post-human supermen with a flair for martial arts.

I suppose what distinguishes baldy from the rest is that his starting potential was ridiculous even by the standards of the rest of One Punch humanity, and it took comparatively little work to unlock it.

e: for spelling
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GilliamYaeger said:
Thats basically it, yeah. I personally like the theory because it makes Saitama out to be something that shouldn't exist. Like, imagine for a moment what would have happened if Saitama didn't exist. Where would the Ashura Kaburo and the House of Evolution plotline have gone? Purple Piccolo? The giant and genius brothers? The Sea King? If he hadn't killed Boros, how would his fight with Garou have gone? Wouldn't it have resulted in Garou becoming a hero instead of a monster?

Its like Saitama is actively breaking the 'story' of the universe apart by complete accident. Bending fate over and fucking it by merely existing, if you will.
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There's some exposition on Saitama's power in the original comic:



And there was some discussion regarding the Limiters being built-in by God (who we see in Homeless Emperor's vision).

So everyone else is reaching their potential. Saitama reached his potential, said "Fuck that." and kept going.
 
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Dark Lord Bob said:
There's some exposition on Saitama's power in the original comic:



And there was some discussion regarding the Limiters being built-in by God (who we see in Homeless Emperor's vision).

So everyone else is reaching their potential. Saitama reached his potential, said "Fuck that." and kept going.
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Hmm. Considering how weak his workout is considered, this really doesn't say anything positive about where he would be with his limiter...
 
Wow, the comic artstyle is different to the manga's. Or at least, I presume so going by manga images posted here.
 
GilliamYaeger said:
Its like Saitama is actively breaking the 'story' of the universe apart by complete accident. Bending fate over and fucking it by merely existing, if you will.
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Dark Lord Bob said:
So everyone else is reaching their potential. Saitama reached his potential, said "Fuck that." and kept going.
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...basically, he's an Undertale character stuck in a seinen universe that just happened to seem like a shounen one.

Still, I'm not sure if I'm going to like the direction it goes because it felt too different with what OPM has exhibited up until now. I mean, I expected the universe and the overarching plot to feel more like DCU/Marvel or just some normal shounen deconstruction. I didn't expect it to be similar to, of all things, the Rance series. No really, if you ever read up on its backstories and worldbuildings, you'll notice how similar it is with what was speculated above.
 
Feng Lengshun said:
...basically, he's an Undertale character stuck in a seinen universe that just happened to seem like a shounen one.

Still, I'm not sure if I'm going to like the direction it goes because it felt too different with what OPM has exhibited up until now. I mean, I expected the universe and the overarching plot to feel more like DCU/Marvel or just some normal shounen deconstruction. I didn't expect it to be similar to, of all things, the Rance series. No really, if you ever read up on its backstories and worldbuildings, you'll notice how similar it is with what was speculated above.
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Main difference is that Saitama doesn't slack off in between major events and lose all his powers.
 
GilliamYaeger said:
Righty-o.

So in the Monster Association there's this dude called Homeless Emperor. He's monstrously powerful to the point where he can one-shot Zombieman (not that it ever sticks though). Anyway, Zombieman and Homeless Emperor fight for a bit before Zombieman decides to ask Homeless Emperor what the fuck his deal is. Homeless Emperor explains that after he lost his job, he suddenly decided that humanity should be destroyed. Then he was granted power by God.

Later on, after his defeat, God returns to take it all back.

Now, the REALLY interesting thing happens later on, after the Monster Association's defeat. Psykos, the leader of the MA, was once Fubuki's best friend and fellow psyker. In High School they had this little club where they plotted world domination, in a childish way - nothing too special. But suddenly, after developing a power to see the future...Psykos went completely insane. Now, the key thing here is what happened after she was defeated...

Whats really interesting is that this is a common string among 'monsters'. The very first villain, not!Piccolo, was ranting about the exact same shit that Homeless Emperor and Psykos were. The House of Evolution was founded on very similar principles. Most of the random monsters that show up mention things along these lines. And I'm pretty sure there's more that I've forgotten.

Also something is seriously fucked up with Sweet Mask.

Also also, I'm pretty sure that the person who Boros came to earth to find wasn't Saitama, but Garou.
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As regards the number 1 A ranker, Amai Mask's neck disfigurement bears a strong resemblance to the skin of the avatar of 'God' that Homeless Emperor sees when he loses his powers. What that might mean, I couldn't possibly say. Possession, perhaps? The result of frequently receiving the 'gift' of contact with the agency that seems to motivate the major villains behind the scenes?

Not quite sure I get the significance of Psykos losing her grasp on her faculties after her defeat, though. Do you mean to imply that she can no longer see a future in which humankind exists and therefore DOOOM, or that her power is gone because it was unlocked and then revoked by the 'God' that acosted Homeless Emperor?

I like how OPM may be transitioning into/may always have been some sort of weird shit about a fate-defying anomaly on legs defeating the planet's immune system, or possibly confounding the machinations of 'God' and 'His' servants.

's kinda cool
 
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