Robert will be grudgingly impressed I'll wager but he will not turn from his course. His tunnel vision and stubbornness is only rivaled by his inclination to hedonism.
Eh, Robert and Stannis haven't really been seeing each other all that much. While they might not be fond of one another, I doubt there's any real enmity between them at this point. Robert would probably be happy that Stannis is acting like a "real man" during a war, I doubt he'd be jealous or something. He's not exactly doing too bad himself and has just managed to kill Rhaegar if I'm not mistaken.I need to off load some brainstorming on the hivemind of SB. With what we know of the contentious relationship between Stannis and Robert...how would the latter react to hearing about the former's exploits? I'm planning a Robert, or someone in his camp, Interlude soon and I was hoping for some input.
While the rebels are probably worried that Storm's End might fall before they reach it, it really isn't practical to march on Storm's End before King's Landing. I doubt they'd be able to supply the army properly without taking King's Landing first and it's also much closer than Storm's End. Additionally, it also makes much more strategic sense to take King's Landing. Capturing it, and presumably the royal family, takes a lot of the wind out of the loyalist sails. They're likely to start surrendering(like the did in canon) in droves after that, since the chances of victory are pretty slim at that point.How does Robert, Arryn, Tully and Stark feel about this development. Would Robert be moved to march on Storms End before Kings Landing? Would this change anything for Tywin and does he still pick team Rebels? (I'm leaning towards yes, see my earlier post)
Possibly? Not trebuchets or anything of the sort, but smaller stuff like ballista and catapults might be doable. The question is if they have these kinds of things lying around and have the experts needed to disassemble and assemble them as well as man them. It would also take quite a long time to transport them in cogs to the Stormlands and there aren't really any safe harbors nearby aside from Storm's End.What can the Redwyne fleet realistically accomplish? Could they ferry in siegecraft on their ships? (God, I hope not).
Honestly, I was quite surprised that they kept charging after the capture of Mace. It was common for the side capturing the other lord to be able to demand significant concessions from the other side in this period. However, since they've started doing so, honor probably(Westeros is weird) demands that they continue so they aren't seen as craven by the other lords/knights.What are the odds the Reachlords are willing to keep charging, even with so many knights captured? (I'm leaning towards yes, even though Stannis has Garth Hightowers imbecilic little brother.
Nah, the real power in the Reach is Olenna Tyrell/Redwyne and she's shrewd enough to know not to mess too much with the other kingdoms for petty revenge. Additionally, she warned Mace to not side with the loyalists during the rebellion. I doubt there's going to be the same kind of white-hot fury that the Martells felt towards the Lannisters/Robert. If anything, I imagine she would try to hitch some Tyrell onto Stannis since he's proven himself to be resourceful and pragmatic(she won't offended by how Stannis captured Mace, she'll be impressed) as well as being the next Lord Paramount of the Stormlands once Robert takes the Iron Throne.The last question feels like cheating but I have no issue stealing clever ideas. What possible butterflies can you spot/think up? Beyond the Reach, perhaps, falling in the same relationship with the Iron Throne as Dorne has?
Will having healthier people decrease the likely hood of dragon scales (disease) appearing in his people let alone his child/ren? How about better hygiene after the war?
Just look at a map, and you'll see it's quite silly to march on Storm's End which is surrounded by a majority rested army with full supplies without sieging King's Landing first given it would be far less defended and it is the symbol of royal authority with them being present there. It is also poor positionally given Rhaegar's army has a chance to reform, and should Tywin bring his army into play the rebel army/Lord's would be surrounded.How does Robert, Arryn, Tully and Stark feel about this development. Would Robert be moved to march on Storms End before Kings Landing? )
With how you've made the Reachlord's act counter to intelligent assaulting and hostages, yes. With regards to the Knights/LP when Aery's was captured there was an army surrounding the place certainly but they didn't assault it given they believed rightly they would just end up killing him so they waited and negotiated for months. You had them not even attempt negotiation and assault by night fall which wouldn't have ever happened, especially given you used "indecisiveness" between the commanders as a plot device for the Reach army continuing to sit on it's arse.What are the odds the Reachlords are willing to keep charging, even with so many knights captured? (I'm leaning towards yes, even though Stannis has Garth Hightowers imbecilic little brother.
As for Tywin decision changing from canon, not with how you've portrayed the Reach Lord's no. At least you acknowledge that should Robert be crowned King the Reach would have been put in a similar position to Dorne which has dangerous consequences, especially considering Dorne was considered the weakest LP and they got up to plenty of shit in canon while the Reach is considered the strongest/richest and is home to the Citadel which they possess some influence over. This has a substantial influence on what happens post-coronation, and even before that given when Eddard Stark arrived at Storm's End in canon the Reach army peacefully went home and that certainly isn't going to happen here so that entire scenario will play out differently. Given how serious it is and unless you're running on plot-time, it would most certainly delay Ned's arrival at the Tower of Joy until after Lyanna's death and Jon/Jaehaery's/suitable Valyrian name's birth.Would this change anything for Tywin and does he still pick team Rebels? (I'm leaning towards yes, see my earlier post....
The last question feels like cheating but I have no issue stealing clever ideas. What possible butterflies can you spot/think up? Beyond the Reach, perhaps, falling in the same relationship with the Iron Throne as Dorne has?
How does Robert, Arryn, Tully and Stark feel about this development. Would Robert be moved to march on Storms End before Kings Landing? Would this change anything for Tywin and does he still pick team Rebels? (I'm leaning towards yes, see my earlier post)
What can the Redwyne fleet realistically accomplish? Could they ferry in siegecraft on their ships? (God, I hope not).
What are the odds the Reachlords are willing to keep charging, even with so many knights captured? (I'm leaning towards yes, even though Stannis has Garth Hightowers imbecilic little brother.
Those could just be the death cries of his enemies as they're being skewered by his outnumbered and starving, but sexy militia.
True. The whole "you must not understand how hostage negotiations work" line suddenly comes off as rather silly. The SI talks laughs at making concessions but doesn't demand the meeting occur near his only stronghold ... ?I'm also kind of surprised that Stannis would decide to enter negotiations too far away from his castle for a messenger to be unable to reach him quickly. That's honestly pretty damn stupid and doesn't really mesh with the character that's been shown until now.
True. The whole "you must not understand how hostage negotiations work" line suddenly comes off as rather silly. The SI talks laughs at making concessions but doesn't demand the meeting occur near his only stronghold ... ?
@VersharlIf I remember correctly, there's a tunnel that the Stormlanders still haven't found, which is honestly pretty damn unrealistic. Anyway, if it is a tunnel that's causing the trouble, I just thought I'd tell you that tunneling in a siege isn't supposed to create a route for soldiers to get behind enemy lines, it's meant to collapse the walls by collapsing the tunnels when they're under them. The tunnels of this period are far too narrow, unstable and inaccurate for that sort of "covert insertion" strategy to be successful.
If it's the ships assaulting the harbor, that's also pretty damn unlikely. You'd be able to see them a mile away so there'd be no surprise, and there's undoubtedly defenses and possibly even a chain in the harbor that'll make any assault costly and ultimately pointless.
I'm also kind of surprised that Stannis would decide to enter negotiations too far away from his castle for a messenger to be unable to reach him quickly. That's honestly pretty damn stupid and doesn't really mesh with the character that's been shown until now.
Aww, I was imagining it as the way people camp teleporter exits in videogames.I...did not know that about tunnels. And suddenly the whole chapter falls apart. I'm defo rewriting it then
I thought it might be a reasonable show of good faith. Rab!Stannis does kind of regret nabbing Mace like that and the Tyrells insisted. Would it still be too unrealistic?
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I...did not know that about tunnels. And suddenly the whole chapter falls apart. I'm defo rewriting it then
You're missing the things that have been narrated over mostly. He's been in life and death situations constantly having to tend to thousands of starving people's issues on top of dealing with the Fat Flower AFTER being transported from presumably a reasonably safe life into, THIS.It's definitely better but Stannis going absolutely berserk(caving people's faces in with his bare hands, not remembering anything afterwards, a complete disregard for his own life) at a thing that seems like it wouldn't really cause that amount of rage is honestly quite jarring. I could understand it if Renly was actually his brother(I get it, he has developed an emotional attachment, that doesn't mean they're like brothers) and they had killed/tortured him or something, but this is just over the top and makes the character seem like a bit of a psychopath. Man, I feel like an ass for doing this twice in a row... don't take it the wrong way, your writing is really good and I hope this doesn't demotivate you or something.