Oglethorpe's dream: A Colony of Georgia quest

Also lemme put it like this, you're revising an airtight law
Look, the original language was "shall not do business with slave labor" which is just really vague, because we don't usually make these plans that detailed. A couple people were confused about what it meant, so I defined it more.
I don't see how the old version can be considered "airtight" when you could interpret it in any number of ways. The only reason it didn't have loopholes is because I didn't write an actual law.
This as opposed to being able to find work in a company that, standing morally higher than most others, does not interact with not contribute to the institution of slavery but sharply rejects and denies it. That these freemen can look at their work and know that not one person as found in servitude for it, that not one drop of their sweat had any, any at all, contribution to that most heinous institution.
Ok, but what specifically do you want to do beyond what is in the plan?
 
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Look, the original language was "shall not do business with slave labor" which is just really vague, because we don't usually make these plans that detailed. A couple people were confused about what it meant, so I defined it more.
I don't see how the old version can be considered "airtight" when you could interpret it in any number of ways. The only reason it didn't have loopholes is because I didn't write an actual law.

Ok, but what specifically do you want to do beyond what is in the plan?
The one before leaves little to no room for vagueness. Georgia State charter companies don't do work that will Co tribute to slavery and they don't do business with people who will contribute to slavery.

That encapsulates at minimum everything the new language does without leaving the loopholes a d room to work around. More judiciously interpreted it goes even farther.

It's only vague if you're seeking a loophole or limit because interpretation starts at "pretty damn far" and ends at "daaaaaaaamn, you go hard" with no room for "moderate" actions or exceptions


And yeah, you don't need to write an actual law, a plan and a policy works great here.

And when asking what I want to do beyond, beyond what? I want to make Georgia chartered companies same as you and I just want to make Georgia chartered companies that can stand upright with the principles and values of the Georgian people.

There's no need for litigating beyond "not working with or contributing to slavery" because it's really just that simple. Do business with people who utilize free labour and do no business at all on any end whatsoever with those who use unfree labour.
 
There's no need for litigating beyond "not working with or contributing to slavery" because it's really just that simple.
No, it isn't. Can a slaveowner buy one of our products for personal use? What about the governments of the slave provinces, or foreign countries, or the British Empire for that matter? Do we have to boycott companies that buy slave products? The banks that give slaveowners loans? The investors? The ships that transport the products? Retail stores? How many degrees of separation are we supposed to keep?
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. The only way to not contribute to slavery at all would be to totally shut ourselves off from the rest of the world.
 
No, it isn't. Can a slaveowner buy one of our products for personal use? What about the governments of the slave provinces, or foreign countries, or the British Empire for that matter? Do we have to boycott companies that buy slave products? The banks that give slaveowners loans? The investors? The ships that transport the products? Retail stores? How many degrees of separation are we supposed to keep?
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. The only way to not contribute to slavery at all would be to totally shut ourselves off from the rest of the world.
In order, no a slaveowner can't purchase if we know they are one. No slave provinces can't buy, least not if the govt owns slaves private. Foreign nations whose governments own slaves can't, you can't reasonably be expected to enforce beyond that. The crown can but that's because they're the boss and we can't refuse to sell to them period. Yes we boycott companies that directly interface with slavery, no we don't boycott beyond one degree of seperation because that's impossible to enforce. Yes Georgian companies boycott those banks that give loans for the purchase of slaves. Yes Georgian companies don't accept slaveowning investors. No they don't use slave transport. No they don't use slave shopkeeps.

There's a reason I said directly and it's one degree of separation and sometimes one more after that is at all actually enforceable. Anything further else is such an effort in investigation and litigation that we could devote the entire population of the state to comitting. And no, that doesn't need specification because it is a form of salutary neglect implemented simply by doing the most possible and the fact that there straight up cannot be better improvement further.

Yes it leaves rooms for georgians to file suits fucking over people on a degree further and this is good as it allows them to see government action and support. What you should do is put the word "to the greatest degree reasonably accomplishable" to prevent bullshit fraudulent suits by following a dumbshit money chain.

You're saying we are obligated to partake in slavery directly or directly in all but name, I'm saying we're under no obligation to do so. Yes, there will be a point at which the funds involved may touch slaveowner hands but I'll be damned if it's because we hand it right to them. There may well be no ethical consumption under capitalism but we can damn well try and at the very least we'll make our statement and by virtue of economics give at the least the barest of nudges against slavery and in terms of societal impact make a strong statement.

You also forget that this is for Georgia chartered companies. We're not talking about private firms here but firms made by and for the colony.

"shall be prohibited from any business dealings or investments involving slave labor or slave trading. so far as may be reasonably accomplished"

and if for some foresaken reason it ever becomes a real necessity to interface beyond a tertiary level with slavery it also provides the loophole for that and a means for Georgians to file so it doesn't get abused.

We've yet to kneel before the name of petty and unnecessary moderation yet, We should avoid starting here and now. We've managed well going full steam ahead let's go full steam farther.
 
Plan without Capitalist pigs wins I'll try to get an update out soon but I'm sick and not feeling so great right now.


[x] Plan Good Government, Without Capitalist Pigs


-[] Gonorrhea Scandal: Add Province of Georgia to the list of victims but let City Augusta lead the charge seeing victims are primarily Augusta residents. Due process will of course be followed and any outcome will be recorded in an objective manner.


-[] Sanitation plan: Commence the sanitation project. It will be organized and lead by permanent staffs to ensure the project is rolled out in the major cities.


-[] Chartered Companies: Draft plans for Georgia Chartered Companies. The Georgia Business Bureau will offer charters to local industries (or establish them itself) and support them with government investment. It will also advertise in British papers that Georgia Government wants to sponsor innovators, inventors, and entrepreneur. Chartered companies shall ultimately be under the control of the Bureau and shall provide a portion of their profit to the Province. Chartered companies shall be prohibited from purchasing materials or renting equipment produced partly or entirely by slaves, from employing the use of ships or firms that transport slaves, and from selling tools and machines likely to be used to facilitate slave labor (like cotton gins) unless the buyer is approved by the Bureau of Business.


-[] Unions: Provide legal recognition for unions, and more importantly, sector wide unions (such as the Union of Sex Workers). The right to collectively bargain and strike shall be recognized, and attempting to prevent unionization of workers shall be prohibited. The Georgia Labor Office shall mediate negotiations and enforce union contracts. Chartered Companies are unionized by default.


-[] Postal service: The government will setup a postal department to fold existing commercial mail services into a consolidated system. These post offices will piggybacking onto the existing trade networks to simplify the whole process of sending mail from A to B. The aim of this government department is to provide reasonable mailing rate for all.
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Lovemuffin threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Unions Total: 25
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December, 1783 to May, 1784 results
Criminals flee to Spanish Florida:
The criminals who caused the gonorrhea outbreak in Augusta got word that they were about to be arrested and they fled to Spanish Florida. In a rare display of comradery South Carolina has condemned the men as traitors and placed a bounty of 100 pounds on them dead or alive.

Sanitation project complete:
At long last after years of delay the sanitation project has finally been completed. The Province's civil servants were weeping openly in the streets crying out "its finally done".

Companies started up:
The companies were started up and have attracted a modest amount of investment from London but other than that they have stayed out of the news being outshined by the gonorrhea story.

Advisory Union boards formed:
The owners take the province to court over their right to dictate to a private company and the case goes all the way to the Supreme Court of Georgia where the unions are stripped down to mere advisory bodies. Luckily the Charter Companies unionize.

Postmaster-General's office set up:

The Provinces will is enacted and the office of Postmaster-general is set up under the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It has yet to be seen what effect this new office will have on the province.
 
That went better than it could have.
 
So what to do next then? I say arms industry or maybe work on resolving the people's negative view on the natives? I think that was an issue still.
 
So what to do next then? I say arms industry or maybe work on resolving the people's negative view on the natives? I think that was an issue still.
Racism and native issues, promoting our corps, industrial expansion, and I'd say casinos or breweries or something.

We could always do universities, immigration, and road infrastructure
 
Did we ever figure out our demographics? If not, that should be a priority as well
 
So I looked up the 1790 census and Georgia had a population of 82,548. So I'm going to say that Georgia's population in 80,000.
Keep in mind that 29 thousand of those were slaves. On the other hand, 1790 was probably an under-count.

We've been doing a lot of things for towns, so I think we should do at least one action specifically to help farmers, which is still what most of the population is. Farm credit loans and crop insurance are what come to mind for me.

If we want to export alcohol, we've got to focus on marketing and quality. People aren't going to pay thru the nose to buy moonshine from across the sea, but they might for Kentucky Bourbon. Luckily, we've already established taverns where we can test out different products. We can take surveys from patrons, or hold a province wide festival and competition. Then we offer the winners the deal of a lifetime to bring their drink to the global market.
 
Now that's an interesting development. Perhaps we can use South Carolina's ooc action as basis of east coast wide bounty system? It will be an useful tool to keep serious criminals on the run and makes good movies down the line. :V
 
Planning
The General Assembly meets in Maryburg to plan the next six months with grim determination. Criminals had escaped the state and their was no way to get them back. At least not on the budget Georgia had. But at the same time things were looking up for the Province in many ways.

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Ahhhh, a nice relaxing turn. No urgent matter or war. Truly we are the least worst government. :V :V :V

[x] Plan Dragoon
-[] Rangers: It had shown time and again criminals are cowardly lot, fleeing at the first sign of justice. Georgia government will establish a unit of mounted rangers dedicated to hunting down criminal and outlaws. They will also be the first standing military force for Georgia.
-[] Powder Factory: Gun powder are excellent merchandise, ships and mines uses them in great quantities. Get a unionized charter company in on this business.
-[] South Carolina: Send an official letter of thanks for South Carolina's comradery. Offer to improve relationship with gift of a "Friend" Ship.
-[] Neighbors: Make friendly gestures to our neighbors, attempt to improve relationships with them and ease budding hostilities.
-[] Farmer's Bank: There are banks for money, but there isn't a bank for seeds. We should fix it but establishing a bank that caters to needs of farmers. This bank will also be responsible for seed reserves and introducing foreign crops to ambitious farmers.

Edit: Friend Ship for friendship. :V
 
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Sketching out a plan, need some help

[] Plan General Improvements
-[] Provide incentives for developing worker cooperatives to develop our industrial and service sectors
-[] Establish a census to be conducted every five years in order to keep track of our demographic and economic standing
-[] Revise taxes and tariffs (these need to be increased but I don't know by how much) (we can reduce SC's as VoidZero suggested)
-[] Attempt to work with the local natives and internal marginalized groups to deal with racism and misinformation (trying this again...)
-[] Georgian Seed Bank and Crop Insurance Plans
 
[x] Plan Dragoon
-[] South Carolina: Send an official letter of thanks for South Carolina's comradery. Offer to improve relationship by easing select trade tariff between us.
When did we put tariffs on SC? Are we even allowed to do that?

-[] Dragoons: It had shown time and again criminals are cowardly lot, fleeing at the first sign of justice. Georgia government will establish a unit of Dragoons dedicated to hunting down criminal and outlaws. They will also be the first standing military force for Georgia.
Military police seems like a bit of an overreaction. Why not just agents that can cross county lines (the gendarmes can already do this if the assembly authorizes it)? Dragoons were despised for being used this way.

[] Plan General Improvements
-[] Georgian Seed Bank and Crop Insurance Plans
@Atlanta-Georgia has been pretty laissez-faire about what actions we can take, but I wonder about this. I don't see that seed banks and crop insurance have that much to do with each other, is fitting them into the same action too much? And if not, is there a reason why we wouldn't choose the combined action?

Attempt to work with the local natives and internal marginalized groups to deal with racism and misinformation (trying this again...)
This is a bit too vague for my taste. What is the province actually doing? The natives part also doesn't make much sense to me, that's more foreign policy (the Cherokee and Muskogee autonomous regions are a legal fiction).
 
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We did we put tariffs on SC? Are we even allowed to do that?

Military police seems like a bit of an overreaction. Why not just agents that can cross county lines (the gendarmes can already do this if the assembly authorizes it)? Dragoons were despised for being used this way.

I assumed we have existing tariffs as it's norm of the time, though I admit I don't know if we have authority to modify it. @Atlanta-Georgia

As for Dragoon, I was really thinking about bounty hunting but didn't want to go all anarchy capitalism on it. So instead we have a calvary that also double for man hunt duties.
 
I assumed we have existing tariffs as it's norm of the time, though I admit I don't know if we have authority to modify it. @Atlanta-Georgia

As for Dragoon, I was really thinking about bounty hunting but didn't want to go all anarchy capitalism on it. So instead we have a calvary that also double for man hunt duties.
South Carolina and Georgia are both part of the British Empire so we've got that mandatory free movement of people and goods (minus slaves) going on.
 
Ok so I made a map on paint of what North America looks like in the quest. But since I'm technologically incompetent does anyone know how to get a map from my files to this site?
 
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