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Metroid V Quest
- Thread starter Leila Hann
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You should probably reword the Meta Beam description, then. (Not that we wouldn't have to roll really well for it to be a net benefit anyway, if they can't be frozen.)
KnightDisciple
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For someone who's mostly just skimmed the story posts, why would we not upload the purge? What's our reasoning there beyond video-game-inspired mistrust?
CrimsonKnight
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Mostly suspicion that the Patrician has been lying to us and manipulating us into helping him seize full control of the facility from its rightful caretakers (the other Infomorph brains). Nothing concrete, just a few circumstancial things and general SV player paranoia. But seeing as the Gardener should be the last Infomorph not under Patrician control, this could be our last chance to find the truth. That being said:
[X]Upload the purge.
Brutal, but our health is critically low, especially with the whole spike maze needing to be navigated. If Patrician is not, in fact, an evil manipulator, then his taking over local control of this area shifts all nahimes and potentially other security in the area to him and thus reduces the chance of hostile forces reaching us. And if he IS manipulating us... then either he isn't finished with us yet and will continue to feign helping us or tries to off us by sending mobile units after us, which is no different than if we retreat without uploading.
[X]Upload the purge.
Brutal, but our health is critically low, especially with the whole spike maze needing to be navigated. If Patrician is not, in fact, an evil manipulator, then his taking over local control of this area shifts all nahimes and potentially other security in the area to him and thus reduces the chance of hostile forces reaching us. And if he IS manipulating us... then either he isn't finished with us yet and will continue to feign helping us or tries to off us by sending mobile units after us, which is no different than if we retreat without uploading.
Second-to-last, not even counting the Very Deep Wombs.
That's... actually murder. I don't like being that callous with the lives of sapients.
cB557
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We're a bounty hunter.
What I see as most suspicious is the gunzu that attacked both us and the Gardener. If the Gardener sent that as a trick, that was a lot of tank damage to take for a trick. If the Patrician sent that, then that's a really short time to turn on us, and it's pretty suspicious that he even had a gunzu under his control and close enough to send it at us, or that he could tell what was going on in the room to know to attack both of us. Even if he makes the claim that attacking us was justified, it seems like he would have had to be misleading us even before we started talking to the Gardener. (There are also other possibilities, like the possibility that another brain sent the gunzu. We know very little about the situation; for all we know, maybe the "infection" isn't a single side.)
Which doesn't really mean we kill people who aren't necessarily trying to kill us.
That's my guess. Wait, I bet there are actually two infomorphs; one is currently infecting the Gardener, and has seized control of the turrets, while the other is much smarter and calls itself the Patrician. No guarantees, though.
cB557
voOOP
Yes it does.
Capture is also possible.
cB557
voOOP
In the real world version of bounty hunting, sure, but this is sci-fi bounty hunting, not real world bounty hunting. In sci-fi bounty hunting sometimes you accidentally a planet.
Barondoctor
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Let's be honest, with Samus, it's not accidentally any more. She's become quite good at whole planets.
The fact remains that she's only taken missions against Space Pirates, Ing, and some probably-not-sapient Devil-class (or in the Metroid's case, near-devil) lifeforms, all of which have tried to kill her beforehand. Murdering a possibly-friendly Councillor Brain on the offchance that it will save her life seems out of character to me.
We didn't have more than mistrust when we approached it, but by now it's made some weird moves if it's actually an enemy.
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KnightDisciple
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[X] Do not upload the purge.
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You're not willing to trust this situation enough to potentially murder the last friendly, non-deceitful consciousness in this facility. You flee the room, still being careful not to make any sort of connection that could infect the Gardener with whatever infomorph your suit has really been infected with. Should you see about trying to purge the "cure" that the Patrician gave you? Delete it from your suit's computer? CAN you even, or will it prove resistant to your efforts? No, not yet. You don't know enough to do that just yet, and it could be that it really is protecting you from something or other.
Instead, you just flee the room. Unfortunately, the turrets do not let up as you make your way to the exit, and even concentrating on total evasion you take more damage (rolled 75, 66). (ENERGY 129/800)
You tear your way quickly back through the thorny maze, dropping to the shaft bottom with a resounding clang and marching back through the mass spawning input. Fortunately (rolled 40) you do not meet any more reinforcements until you return to the Arcology Hub. Unfortunately, once you reach that many-platformed shaft, you find another full autoad battlegroup awaiting you (rolled 92).
(rolled 69, -11, 56, 57)
Your super missiles are critically low, but you fire a volley of micro-missiles at the gatecrasher while nimply leaping, spinning, and flying around the torrent of projectiles and leaping slams; two hits and a miss (MISSILES 135/190).
You can probably win this fight with your current supplies, but it might leave you even lower than you are now, and if you meet something else on your way to the save station, well. You know that there's no narrow spot or high flight between here and Save Station 3-A to lose the autoads at until just before the station itself, and experience tells you that these things will follow you for at least a few rooms.
Your other option is to go the other route; fly up into the Habitat and use Save Station 2-A. If the Patrician is still on your side, the namihes will help you make short work of the autoads and keep the rest of your path clear. If the Patrician is trying to kill you now, on the other hand, going up there will be suicide.
[] Fight the autoads and then proceed to Save Station 3-A (specify tactics due to low super missiles).
[] Flee the autoads up toward Save Station 2-A and hope the namihes are still on your side.
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ENERGY: 129/800
MISSILES: 135/190
SUPER MISSILES: 2/15
POWER BOMBS: 10/18
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You're not willing to trust this situation enough to potentially murder the last friendly, non-deceitful consciousness in this facility. You flee the room, still being careful not to make any sort of connection that could infect the Gardener with whatever infomorph your suit has really been infected with. Should you see about trying to purge the "cure" that the Patrician gave you? Delete it from your suit's computer? CAN you even, or will it prove resistant to your efforts? No, not yet. You don't know enough to do that just yet, and it could be that it really is protecting you from something or other.
Instead, you just flee the room. Unfortunately, the turrets do not let up as you make your way to the exit, and even concentrating on total evasion you take more damage (rolled 75, 66). (ENERGY 129/800)
You tear your way quickly back through the thorny maze, dropping to the shaft bottom with a resounding clang and marching back through the mass spawning input. Fortunately (rolled 40) you do not meet any more reinforcements until you return to the Arcology Hub. Unfortunately, once you reach that many-platformed shaft, you find another full autoad battlegroup awaiting you (rolled 92).
(rolled 69, -11, 56, 57)
Your super missiles are critically low, but you fire a volley of micro-missiles at the gatecrasher while nimply leaping, spinning, and flying around the torrent of projectiles and leaping slams; two hits and a miss (MISSILES 135/190).
You can probably win this fight with your current supplies, but it might leave you even lower than you are now, and if you meet something else on your way to the save station, well. You know that there's no narrow spot or high flight between here and Save Station 3-A to lose the autoads at until just before the station itself, and experience tells you that these things will follow you for at least a few rooms.
Your other option is to go the other route; fly up into the Habitat and use Save Station 2-A. If the Patrician is still on your side, the namihes will help you make short work of the autoads and keep the rest of your path clear. If the Patrician is trying to kill you now, on the other hand, going up there will be suicide.
[] Fight the autoads and then proceed to Save Station 3-A (specify tactics due to low super missiles).
[] Flee the autoads up toward Save Station 2-A and hope the namihes are still on your side.
...
ENERGY: 129/800
MISSILES: 135/190
SUPER MISSILES: 2/15
POWER BOMBS: 10/18
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CrimsonKnight
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Whether it's the Patrician or Virus controlling them, I think we have to assume that any aquatic units we'd encounter in Grotto A and Deep Crevice on the way to Save Station 3B would be hostile, so we'd effectively be trading one group of enemies for a potential second one (and that's assuming we can get past the Autotoad group in the first place without taking more damage). 2A's too risky if the Patrician is openly opposing us now. I think we should still head for 3A.
Edit: I think we should fight the Autotoad group. If there's more enemies in Grotto A and we leave the Autotoads behind us, we're trapped between the groups, but if the Autotoads are neutralized, we still have a last chance to head for 2A and pray the Patrician is still playing nice.
Edit: I think we should fight the Autotoad group. If there's more enemies in Grotto A and we leave the Autotoads behind us, we're trapped between the groups, but if the Autotoads are neutralized, we still have a last chance to head for 2A and pray the Patrician is still playing nice.
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Pray tell, have we not taken to Screw Attacking everything we can yet? Does Samus think (going by the damage protection and causation of this model) that her Screw Attack will be a better way to fight the Autoads than Super Missiles, or is this closer to the disappointing one from... It was either Super or Fusion, I forget which, where you couldn't really use it except for transport?
I'm not sure, by the way, but I suspect that the Patrician would help us kill the Autoads. It's not stupid, but- darn, I'm second-guessing myself.
Let's look at the evidence it certainly has access to:
* There is claim of 'hostile data', almost certainly of alien origin, infecting at least one set of Councillor Brains.
* Samus left the Bladed Maze in order to restock at a Patrician-controlled save point, despite having more than half her health left.
* Samus found the Infection Lab, but was told the lab's objective was probably futile unless its target was telepathic.
* Samus has not returned since.
Evidence it could plausibly have access to:
* Reports from any of the robotic enemies. (This requires that it have access to their sensors but not be willing to tell Samus. This seems unlikely, as it doesn't have to say it controls them in order to tell us it can see through their eyes. Even map data would be useful.)
* Transmissions from the infomorph it gave us. (This requires that it be willing and able to take transmissions from our suit, and not tell us. Quite plausible.)
* Seismic data precise enough to notice Super Missiles in the Gardener's room, but not enough to plausibly kill it. Combined with a lack of the Gardener being added to the network.
Is there a scenario in which the Patrician is genuine, but tries to kill us? Yes. If it thinks the enemy has devised a counter to the purge, infected us, and has sent us to kill it, it may well try to kill us before we can reach it. Unknown odds for whether it waits until we hit the Save Station first.
Is there a scenario where the Patrician has been lying to us, and tries to kill us? Undoubtably.
The survival adjustments from a friendly or hostile Patrician are probably equivalent in size. So: Are the odds of the Patrician thinking we're still loyal better than the odds of successfully fighting our way to another save point? This should determine our choice.
(I suspect our odds of survival are best if we find a low-risk path that avoids Namihe, so I'm off to check the map.)
I'm not sure, by the way, but I suspect that the Patrician would help us kill the Autoads. It's not stupid, but- darn, I'm second-guessing myself.
Let's look at the evidence it certainly has access to:
* There is claim of 'hostile data', almost certainly of alien origin, infecting at least one set of Councillor Brains.
* Samus left the Bladed Maze in order to restock at a Patrician-controlled save point, despite having more than half her health left.
* Samus found the Infection Lab, but was told the lab's objective was probably futile unless its target was telepathic.
* Samus has not returned since.
Evidence it could plausibly have access to:
* Reports from any of the robotic enemies. (This requires that it have access to their sensors but not be willing to tell Samus. This seems unlikely, as it doesn't have to say it controls them in order to tell us it can see through their eyes. Even map data would be useful.)
* Transmissions from the infomorph it gave us. (This requires that it be willing and able to take transmissions from our suit, and not tell us. Quite plausible.)
* Seismic data precise enough to notice Super Missiles in the Gardener's room, but not enough to plausibly kill it. Combined with a lack of the Gardener being added to the network.
Is there a scenario in which the Patrician is genuine, but tries to kill us? Yes. If it thinks the enemy has devised a counter to the purge, infected us, and has sent us to kill it, it may well try to kill us before we can reach it. Unknown odds for whether it waits until we hit the Save Station first.
Is there a scenario where the Patrician has been lying to us, and tries to kill us? Undoubtably.
The survival adjustments from a friendly or hostile Patrician are probably equivalent in size. So: Are the odds of the Patrician thinking we're still loyal better than the odds of successfully fighting our way to another save point? This should determine our choice.
(I suspect our odds of survival are best if we find a low-risk path that avoids Namihe, so I'm off to check the map.)
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Screw attack is less powerful than in most of the 2d games, but not useless like it was in the prime series.
Against non-flying enemies who have a good chance of evading it, its probably your best option. Based on your observations so far it should take down an autoad bomber in one hit and a gatecrasher in two.
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[X] SOP Update: Use Screw Attack against all ground-based enemies.
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One other important thing to note: the screw attack does not confer immunity to projectiles like in some games.
Well, having looked at the map, 3-A looks like a safer bet than the underwater one. The only other tricky strategy I've thought of is to pop through into the busted arcology and use the unstacked Meta Beam on the plant life there. But I doubt it would be efficient.
Edit: Whoops, forgot to vote.
[X] Fight the autoads and then proceed to Save Station 3-A.
Edit: Whoops, forgot to vote.
[X] Fight the autoads and then proceed to Save Station 3-A.
Story goal: acquire new exolayer.
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CrimsonKnight
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[X] Fight the autoads and then proceed to Save Station 3-A.
Having our damage protection raised to pre-Fusion levels would also be nice if there is, in fact, a way to restore our suit's exolayer.
Edit: Use Screw Attack against ground targets as previously discussed.
Having our damage protection raised to pre-Fusion levels would also be nice if there is, in fact, a way to restore our suit's exolayer.
Edit: Use Screw Attack against ground targets as previously discussed.