Memoirs of a Human Flashlight [Exalted/Worm]

Golden Lark said:
SOULS UPDATE:

This won't come up in the story for a long while, as the occult science ain't there to investigate it. This is for Exaled Mechanics nerds.

For all intents and purposes, a 'pinhole' was poked into Earth Bet somewhere. Through that pinhole, with the very first breath each human took after it was poked, came SOULS. Creation-class souls, that is.

A Creation-Class Human Soul, unlike any other sentient soul made for other species before it, is designed not to draw in and respire the Essence of Creation and shape the world. It is, instead, a prayer engine with the singular and sole (har har) purpose of redirecting what essence a human may have otherwise commanded towards their target of choice, via faith and dogma. Humans came up with all sorts of creative ways to worship and celebrate all sorts of beings back then; motes and quintessence were showered on those they bothered to pray to.

Then a bunch of drama happened and exaltations were forged and glued themselves to appropriately powerful human souls and WAR happened and then they won and went crazy and oh god the blood.

But that's all irrelevant.

What's important is that at some arbitrary point in time, Earth Bet was connected and every human got a free soul. No HFY here, folks, no sir. As an added bonus, certain souls are Heroic and able to better resist the pull and tangles of Fate. This simply means that some people are Better Than You at getting their way. Ha.

From the very MOMENT that this 'Great Inhalation' happened, we'll just say Cauldron had a bit of a panic as their predictions and projections went totally to shit. Certain wussy people that would never have made a move suddenly grew a pair and acted uncharacteristically. This actually LOWERED the number of trigger events globally for a bit, because a sub-section of these newly Heroic mortals (not that Cauldron called them that) acted against the tide of events that was lining them up for a shitty day and a trigger event. This phenomenon is modeled in game terms by Willpower, a finite-yet-regenerating stock of energy you get that allows you to sparingly force your will on your actions and succeed where you otherwise had very little chance to. At the very least, it prevents you from utterly making a disaster of yourself no matter how far beyond your abilities the action in question was.

Of course, humans are still humans, and after looking far enough in the future Cauldron more or less sighed with relief as their long term projections were mostly unchanged. People were still people, but a big handful of them got a sudden dose of dramatic adrenaline.

Heroic Mortal Taylor blew willpower during her investigation, preventing the worst case scenario of Sophia realizing she was collecting dirt from happening. Blowing willpower also let her figure out Sophia was the figurehead in the first place. If we reach back even further, she probably did so when deciding what course of action to take between investigating and passively surviving.

EDIT: To be clear, Heroic Souls have a Willpower track. They may harness it as a resource. Your total Willpower is, to some degree, a function of your strongest virtues; the aforementioned Conviction, Compassion, Temperance, and Valor. Four different facets via which one would commonly force their will on the world. You may also do a fun trick of focusing your willpower through your virtues and upping your dice for a roll but that gets all woogie when trying to bullshit it into metaphor.

Finally, Heroic Mortals gain a Heroic Motivation. It's some sort of Awesome Goal that they realistically hope to achieve and are willing to work and sacrifice towards. They gain bonuses to their Willpower while working towards their motivation, which more or less turns a Heroic Mortal into a tiny self sustaining engine of awesome when they are aiming at their goals. This tends to go well until an Bigger Fish stomps on them, eats them, or enslaves them, etc. I refer you to one N. Bolas for reference on the philosophy there.
Holy... this is bad. This is really, Really Bad.
If Earth-Bet humans now have the same souls as those of Creation, this means they should roughly work the same. Which means that between the Endbringers, the likes of Slaughterhouse Nine and other assorted psycho-villains, and general human nastiness, there should be Hungry Ghosts roaming out and about in relatively short order, with absolutely no one really knowing how to deal with them (until Taylor increases her Occult a bit).
Earth-Bet just can't catch a fucking break, can it...?
 
Yog said:
When they find out that acting flashy and having fans increases her power (i.e. her power is proportional to the amount of P.R. she generates), and that her power is growing, how many scandals will Glenn engineer to bootstrap her? Because there;s kits if stuff you can do with a public image of a teenage heroine with supermodel looks and flashy powers.
he wouldn't use scandals, he will not want to risk it turning out that she needs positive PR.
 
Yog said:
When they find out that acting flashy and having fans increases her power (i.e. her power is proportional to the amount of P.R. she generates), and that her power is growing, how many scandals will Glenn engineer to bootstrap her? Because there;s kits if stuff you can do with a public image of a teenage heroine with supermodel looks and flashy powers.
I think your right hand was off by one column there.
 
Kelenas said:
Holy... this is bad. This is really, Really Bad.
If Earth-Bet humans now have the same souls as those of Creation, this means they should roughly work the same. Which means that between the Endbringers, the likes of Slaughterhouse Nine and other assorted psycho-villains, and general human nastiness, there should be Hungry Ghosts roaming out and about in relatively short order, with absolutely no one really knowing how to deal with them (until Taylor increases her Occult a bit).
Earth-Bet just can't catch a fucking break, can it...?
Well, judging by this comment:
Golden Lark said:
This is correct. Barring Abyssal Bullshit, there is nothing preventing 'free' souls on Earth Bet from zooming back to Lethe, the Creation engine that makes/cleans/redistributes the things.
Souls on Earth Bet are being recycled in much the same way as Creation did before the Neverborn fucked everything up, which means ghosts don't exist and souls recycle into Reincarnation properly. Barring soul-shenanigans, in which case... shenanigans.
 
swordomatic said:
Well, judging by this comment:


Souls on Earth Bet are being recycled in much the same way as Creation did before the Neverborn fucked everything up, which means ghosts don't exist and souls recycle into Reincarnation properly. Barring soul-shenanigans, in which case... shenanigans.
Ghosts =/= Hungry Ghosts.

A ghost is the Hun-soul (the higher soul, which contains reason, sense of self, etc) of someone who resists the call of Lethe and instead ends up in the Underworld. A Hungry Ghost is the Po-soul (the lower soul, which contains instincts, strong emotions, etc) of someone who lingered after their (usually violent and/or gruesome) death.
Hungry Ghosts are essentially extremely vicious animals. They generally stay close to their body of origin and try to hunt down and kill who/whatever was responsible for their death, but they also attack random people that might wander close and not get away fast enough.

Edit: To clarify; Hungry Ghosts actually have their full soul, Hun and Po, for the first 3 days, during which they can act intelligently. After that, the Hun soul leaves and the Hungry Ghost becomes an indiscriminately murderous monster. This doesn't necessarily interfere with the Soul-recycling used in Creation.
 
Chronic said:
I wonder. Scion is probably a target of prayer all over the world. After all, he is the golden man, god-like, the only one able to fight of the Endbringers.

I guess he has Cult 5. Or 6. I wonder if his super-advanced senses can detect and use the sudden income of motes coming his way?
While he is completely inhuman and thus may not receive benefits from this, what about Dalai Lama, Pope, Eidolon and such - i.e. humans with well developed cults. Hell, what about Myrrdin, who uses "magic" (normally props for his power, I think), which includes rituals. Will he start getting new funky results?

For that matter, will Dalai Lama have ridiculous past life score?
 
Also, the Po soul normally dissolves after death, and is used as raw material to forge new Po souls. Hungry Ghosts are a bug in that system, when they stick around longer then they should.

Fortunately, with so little Essence in the world, they probably can't affect anything, so they aren't currently a problem.
 
Kelenas said:
Ghosts =/= Hungry Ghosts.

A ghost is the Hun-soul (the higher soul, which contains reason, sense of self, etc) of someone who resists the call of Lethe and instead ends up in the Underworld. A Hungry Ghost is the Po-soul (the lower soul, which contains instincts, strong emotions, etc) of someone who lingered after their (usually violent and/or gruesome) death.
Hungry Ghosts are essentially extremely vicious animals. They generally stay close to their body of origin and try to hunt down and kill who/whatever was responsible for their death, but they also attack random people that might wander close and not get away fast enough.

Edit: To clarify; Hungry Ghosts actually have their full soul, Hun and Po, for the first 3 days, during which they can act intelligently. After that, the Hun soul leaves and the Hungry Ghost becomes an indiscriminately murderous monster. This doesn't necessarily interfere with the Soul-recycling used in Creation.
Which is why I said 'the same way as Creation did before the Neverborn fucked everything up'. Ergo, before Ghosts. Ergo, before Hungry Ghosts. To my knowledge Ghosts (and therefore Hungry Ghosts) did not exist until after the Neverborn broke Lethe, because no soul could resist the pull of Lethe.
 
swordomatic said:
Which is why I said 'the same way as Creation did before the Neverborn fucked everything up'. Ergo, before Ghosts. Ergo, before Hungry Ghosts. To my knowledge Ghosts (and therefore Hungry Ghosts) did not exist until after the Neverborn broke Lethe, because no soul could resist the pull of Lethe.
And the Hun-soul ultimately doesn't resist the pull of Lethe. So, no, Hungry Ghosts are a possibility; they are the Po-soul, and Lethe doesn't do anything with it.
 
Kelenas said:
And the Hun-soul ultimately doesn't resist the pull of Lethe. So, no, Hungry Ghosts are a possibility; they are the Po-soul, and Lethe doesn't do anything with it.
Let's... just wait and see. I'm not interested in seeing this descend into a shouting match.
 
Anyone can benefit from cult, not only active Essence users, because anyone can spend Willpower.

Scion should probably have a level of Cult that only the pre-War Promordials received and so have incredible Willpower regeneration.
 
Alratan said:
Anyone can benefit from cult, not only active Essence users, because anyone can spend Willpower.

Scion should probably have a level of Cult that only the pre-War Promordials received and so have incredible Willpower regeneration.
...And the UCS still gets 10% of his prayers. ;)
 
Golden Lark said:
*Snip soul information*
Creation-human souls are the seat of thought, reason, emotion, and memory. This is explicit.

Wormverse-human brains are apparently the seat of thought, reason, emotion, and memory. This is conjecture.

Wouldn't the soul explanation thus result in two people in each body?
Alratan said:
Anyone can benefit from cult, not only active Essence users, because anyone can spend Willpower.

Scion should probably have a level of Cult that only the pre-War Promordials received and so have incredible Willpower regeneration.
Scion isn't a human, and thus can't be issued a soul to receive such rewards.
 
Alratan said:
People in Creation who don't have souls don't seem to have any problem thinking or feeling.
No. People in Creation who have no souls are dead. This is made explicit when you look at the lore for Autochthonia. They have a shortage of souls there, and babies who are born without getting one die instantly upon birth when they would normally receive one.
 
Delusionist said:
No. People in Creation who have no souls are dead. This is made explicit when you look at the lore for Autochthonia. They have a shortage of souls there, and babies who are born without getting one die instantly.
That may be a problem in Autocthonia, but it's not in Creation. People who are wyld shaped don't have souls unless special measures are taken for heaven to assign them one, sapient automata don't have souls at all, and sapient animals don't have hun souls.
 
Alratan said:
That may be a problem in Autocthonia, but it's not in Creation. People who are wyld shaped don't have souls unless special measures are taken for heaven to assign them one, sapient automata don't have souls at all, and sapient animals don't have hun souls.
The Wyld Shaping Technique rules merely state that the shaped mortals don't reincarnate unless they get hooked up to the Loom of Fate. It says nothing about lacking souls.

Even if those created by Wyld Shaping Technique did lack souls, it would be in much the same way that Raksha lack souls, in that they are not entirely real.
 
So what does Scion think about the bit where something completely outside his comprehension fucked up the fated sequence of trigger events?

And how long before another Exaltation finds its way through the pinhole to Earth Bet?

On that note, how long before another Exaltation makes its way to Earth Bet... and latches onto a parahuman, burning out their existing supernatural template in the process?

I'm going to guess that the two big things Panacea noticed were that Taylor doesn't have any of whatever the normal markers for a parahuman ability would be (besides the region of the brain we know about from Worm canon) and that Taylor appears to have a third soul now.
 
helnae said:
So as a person whose only knowledge of Exalted comes from these Worm crossovers, I have to ask: what happens when a Solar limit breaks?
The others have mostly covered the mechanical aspects of what happens in a Limit Break, but one thing to keep in mind is the long term effects of Limit Breaking every so often over the centuries.

Limit Break is an incredibly cathartic experience. It feels fantastic to the exalt in question. This can result in Pavlovian conditioning over time to associate the (generally bad) behavior with emotional well-being. The classic example in canon of a Solar who was conditioned by his own Limit Break was Desus, who had the bad luck of being saddled with Deliberate Cruelty.
 
TheSandman said:
On that note, how long before another Exaltation makes its way to Earth Bet... and latches onto a parahuman, burning out their existing supernatural template in the process?
Exaltation doesn't burn out existing supernatural powers. An Exalted demon-blooded can still have the minor powers and charms they gained from being demon blooded. A demon blooded is less likely to Exalt in the first place though, just as an enlightened martial artist is. Even a person Riden by a spirit could still Exalt and that wouldn't change.

I'd say that Exaltations would avoid capes anyway, as they'd probably either look sufficiently similar to people who were already Exalted or creatures with non-human soul structures to make them look elsewhere.
Delusionist said:
The Wyld Shaping Technique rules merely state that the shaped mortals don't reincarnate unless they get hooked up to the Loom of Fate. It says nothing about lacking souls.

Even if those created by Wyld Shaping Technique did lack souls, it would be in much the same way that Raksha lack souls, in that they are not entirely real.
Having checked WST, that's quite possibly true. However, individduals subjected to the upgraded Will Cruhsing Force have no souls and can still pray (as they aren't explicitly noted not to be able to), and people made inside a Devil Tiger's Inner World also don't have souls (and explicitly can't pray), but can think and feel.
 
Ixenathier said:
I thought that Exaltation DID burn out the old powers.

That is what I understood Earthscorpion to be saying in GRItV. That any previous powers and metaphysical biology needed for such charms got burned out as the Shard reformatted things.
That's may be how Earthscorpion likes things things, and it's a perfectly sensible way houserule to avoid people special-snowflake-ing but it's just not how things work in canon Creation, where there is at least one example of a demon blooded Terrestrial that retained an inherited spirit charm (control over storms) from her demonic parent (or grandparent, I forget which).

Existing mutations and charms can be burned out and rendered down to XP by Exaltation, but they only have to be if they overlap with what's granted by Exaltation itself, like Longevity or Enlightened Essence.
 
Well depending on how strong the impetus to go back throught the pinhole is with Beth possible lacking a Underworld of there own as Lethe is over in creation someone that resists the pull could end up in Creations Underworld. Congratulations the Deathlords might now know about Earth Beth.
 
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