Medicinal Crucible: A Xianxia Planquest

[] Plan: Cowboy Xianxia
-[] Sect Name: Yellow Rose Sect
-[] Spirit Beast Herds
-[] The Great Seed Repository
-[] Follow the Fifteenth
-[] Eastern Border


i could change to the river but I just suddenly had the idea of a mostly self sufficient sect that are basically cowboys but in xianxia to be kinda hilarious
 
[ ] Plan Glorious Settler Colonialism
-[ ] Sect Name: Red Oxen Sect
-[ ] The Highest Peak
-[ ] Spirit Beast Herds
-[ ] Follow the Fifteenth
-[ ] Northern Border

Inspired by Absoloot's plan, but does the Highest Peak instead of Domain Foundation Elder. Highest Peaks means a lot of fairly good mooks with a lot of gumption and willingness to go fight the Nomads.

Which should help us squabble with the Nomads and push them back.
 
Effectively those that cultivate the body first instead of Qi in effect it was used by the Emperor to play political fuck-fuck games with the sects and to ban techniques that in his eyes could produce an equal or a threat. Its more an arbitrary political distinction then a massive difference when looking at the fifteenth vs nineteenth. Something like consolidating and training the body first instead of focusing on the spirit or elemental cultivation or, horror of horrors only directly working on the body without "enlightenment".
does that mean that's what HE did in the distant past? Or that it's an objectively better method in terms of gaining more power?
 
[ ] Plan Totally Not Demonic sect
-[ ] Sect Name: Blood Lotus sect
-[ ] Domain Foundation Elder
-[ ] Demonic Remnants
-[ ] Follow the Fifteenth
-[ ] Northern Border

Im all for it i can be probaly see if instead of demonic remnants we get something different maybe cattle or seeds?
 
[ ] Plan Totally Not Demonic Smugglers
-[ ] Sect Name: Golden Horse Sect
-[ ] Domain Foundation Elder
-[ ] Demonic Remnants
-[ ] Take a Flexible Path
-[ ] Northern Border
 
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[] Plan Immortal Pill Makers
-[]Sect Name: Burning Willow Sect
-[]The Jade Pill Furnace
-[]Domain Foundation Elder
-[]Follow the Nineteenth
-[]On the River

This plan should let us make the highest tier pills. I do not know what stage is 2 higher than Domain Foundation, but it should be rare enough that we can make a few extremely expensive pills to fund the sect and gain favor with the government. Trade is easy with the river location and the nineteenth is necessary due to the relatively high scrutiny of the location.

I am not sure that I like the name, but I wanted to name the sect after something that can be used in pill making. Willow trees grows along rivers so we can grow it onsite. Willow also has medicinal uses so it can be used to make at least low level pills. If the QM is feeling generous, we can have a variant willow that takes in fire qi and after using it so much the elder decided to name his sect after it.
 
Personally the seeds seem the most interesting one, not sure what pairs well with it though, with the Great Furnace it should let us produce and sell masterwork pills normally beyond our means, but that doesn't really give much ability to keep both the boons to our sect.
 
One thing I'd worry about w/r/t the furnace is that it's one thing. The emperor or someone could decide "ooh shiny" and take it from us and there'd be nothing anyone could do about it. At least with the seeds we could bury/hide some.
 
[] Plan Ascended Young Master
-[]Sect Name: Celestial Manifold Cerulean Alchemical Temple
-[]Domain Foundation Elder
-[]Brother Eunuch
-[]Take a Flexible Path
-[]On the River



We are ultimately not playing 'A Sect', we are playing an extremely powerful individual who has founded a sect. Why? Because they need more resources to continue to fuel their ascension and to further their political goals. We area talented, ambitious person with a well connected family who is running a sect for the prestige and the resources.

Xianxia sect elders are almost always terrible leaders, why? Because ultimately having a bunch of random low tier minions is irrelevant in the face of personal power and having the ears of the even more powerful. The sect prospering would be nice but the ultimate goal is to have the sect funnel better and better pills for us to consume so that nobody can mess with us.
 
@Blackstar

Hey Blackstar, if this is the Dawn Empire and is on the western edge of the continent (seeing as how it has a land border to the west)...

Does that mean the sun rises in the west and sets in the east here?

Or is there some other, more allegorical reason why it's called the Dawn Empire?
 
Not a fan about the plan where we only funel all our resources into a single failing point when we can become like a tree the roots are big and support the ones who strive for the firmament instead of a tower of pisa where the foundation is so unstable it leans more and more and is only held up by steel cables.
 
[]Plan The Farmer-Soldiers
-[] Sect Name: The Sect of the Rising Star
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The Highest Peak
-[] The Great Seed Repository
-[] Follow the Fifteenth
-[] Northern Border
 
Not a fan about the plan where we only funel all our resources into a single failing point when we can become like a tree the roots are big and support the ones who strive for the firmament instead of a tower of pisa where the foundation is so unstable it leans more and more and is only held up by steel cables.
I'm not sure I understand everything that's going on here, so I haven't voted, but I might.

Can you find a non-prejudicial, non-vague way of explaining what you have a problem with? I always appreciate being warned about an impending problem or danger.

But... well, the warning, I hope, can be something that doesn't involve just saying "this plan is stupid and wants to destroy us" or something nasty like that. Because when I encounter people who trash ideas in a thread like that, by attributing exaggerated or catastrophizing motives to the people who came up with them, I typically respond by voting against whatever they want me to vote for out of spite.
 
I'm not sure I understand everything that's going on here, so I haven't voted, but I might.

Can you find a non-prejudicial, non-vague way of explaining what you have a problem with? I always appreciate being warned about an impending problem or danger.

But... well, the warning, I hope, can be something that doesn't involve just saying "this plan is stupid and wants to destroy us" or something nasty like that. Because when I encounter people who trash ideas in a thread like that, by attributing exaggerated or catastrophizing motives to the people who came up with them, I typically respond by voting against whatever they want me to vote for out of spite.

Yea no Problem im happy to provide some context to this Plan Ascended Young Master first. (Simliar plans also have that problem but this one especially)
First it seems logical to go all in in our domain expert but we have no background(Foundation as a sect be it techniques or money making skills) expect him or the advisor in the royal court.
If we take this option ,we are probaly some bad rolls away from losing them especially the eunuch as it is shown in ancient china that court politics can be kinda volatile.
Furthermore it is a riksy option because he has a connection to the outside. There is a saying when u lose court politics ,, Not even the dog's where left alive !´´
What does that mean? Family's or sect's that fall out of favor with the Imperial mandate will get purged to the root and stem(See reform the Emperor purged dissented or just straight out people that got his ire).
Dont get me wrong its a powerfull perk to have the ear of the ruler of our nation, but so are its downside if our Emperor is not in a good mode (rolls) our brother is quiet close for his lash out to spill over and doom us with out our input.
I will just caution those who want to play politics at this point as the boon could be great. The second is quiet the same single point of failure where some bad rolls can doom the sect if we go to top heavy with domain expert and invest in him and he dies or get's crippeld it would be quiet difficult to recover with no foundation expect 1. The Expert 2. The eunuch so we must have more deversity like getting techniques u can crank out mid level goons or a sturdy trade or resources that's internal, instead of external like the eunuch.

Thats just some of my toughts why its not a good combo to pick to top heavy or external the sect is an organisation befor the indvidual so pick one where we get something internal and a big stick to beat evrybody away until there is more than one pillar in the sect and we should be mostly fine,even if we role horrendous expect maybe calamities but that,no sect can weather alone expect the holy lands ( I just assume they exist typical xianxia setting)

Edit : What i forgot to mention is that there are rivals in the Imperial court who try to further their agenda by throwing other's under the bus. Be it a Holy land that think's we have to much influence on the Emperor or other sects banding together to get his ear + we as the outside force would have to weather the attempts and get our eunuch the resources he needs to further our agenda and that brings us into conflict with the other sect's who try exactly the same but have probaly more wide spread information networks and influence then us as a new sect or the Emperor could try to use us as a counter balance to sect's/clan's that are to powerfull and we have to follow his evry whim not a great place to be in if im honest.

I just described the worst case's what the negative impact could be and how i see we should structure our sect so we can thrive even with bad rolls that might hamper us.
In my opnion but if anybody has some ideas or wants to refute what i said feel free to call me out im happy to discuss my view of the situation
(remember im heavily biased because i read a ton of cultivation novels and sect or clan destryoing calamties where like daily there)
 
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Yea no Problem im happy to provide some context to this Plan Ascended Young Master first. (Simliar plans also have that problem but this one especially)

First it seems logical to go all in in our domain expert but we have no background(Foundation as a sect be it techniques or money making skills) expect him or the advisor in the royal court.
Hmm, I think we're having some translation issues.

Now, just to make sure we're clear here, it sounds like "Domain Foundation Expert" or whatever seems to be the equivalent of a Nascent Soul in 'classical' xianxia realm naming. We have references to at least three levels below that, and the one immediately below is 'Core,' so I think that lines up about right.

If we take this option ,we are probaly some bad rolls away from losing them especially the eunuch as it is shown in ancient china that court politics can be kinda volatile.

Furthermore it is a riksy option because he has a connection to the outside. There is a saying when u lose court politics ,, Not even the dog's where left alive !´´

What does that mean? Family's or sect's that fall out of favor with the Imperial mandate will get purged to the root and stem(See reform the Emperor purged dissented or just straight out people that got his ire).

Dont get me wrong its a powerfull perk to have the ear of the ruler of our nation, but so are its downside if our Emperor is not in a good mode (rolls) our brother is quiet close for his lash out to spill over and doom us with out our input.
Would not having ties to the court, or not having a powerful sect leader, really make things better for us?

You seem to be implying that there is less risk in being a sect that has an unremarkable leader, no highly placed allies, but a lot of wealth. That sounds like it might not work out so well.

First, there are other sects out there that DO have highly placed allies or very strong leaders, and they might very well see a quick, easy profit in forcing our sect into subordination. They may be able to get the court to legalize such an action, or to have enough raw physical power at their disposal that they can subdue us easily without it really coming to the court's attention. Being able to defend ourselves is not just a matter of having a "base" or a "source of income." We need the ability to win crazy paranormal kung fu fights, or the ability to ensure that the high authorities of the land will block attempts to force such fights on us.

Second, imperial disfavor can crush us if we don't have a friend at court. Either because of something we didn't even know was happening and had no warning of because we have no allies at court, or because, as noted above, some rival who does have such an ally is using that connection to our disadvantage.

"A single point of failure where some bad rolls can doom the sect" is going to describe our situation no matter what we do. Having a strong leader means we can be doomed if someone kills that leader, but won't be doomed the moment some other, equally strong person decides to take over the sect.
 
Hmm, I think we're having some translation issues.

Now, just to make sure we're clear here, it sounds like "Domain Foundation Expert" or whatever seems to be the equivalent of a Nascent Soul in 'classical' xianxia realm naming. We have references to at least three levels below that, and the one immediately below is 'Core,' so I think that lines up about right.

Would not having ties to the court, or not having a powerful sect leader, really make things better for us?

You seem to be implying that there is less risk in being a sect that has an unremarkable leader, no highly placed allies, but a lot of wealth. That sounds like it might not work out so well.

First, there are other sects out there that DO have highly placed allies or very strong leaders, and they might very well see a quick, easy profit in forcing our sect into subordination. They may be able to get the court to legalize such an action, or to have enough raw physical power at their disposal that they can subdue us easily without it really coming to the court's attention. Being able to defend ourselves is not just a matter of having a "base" or a "source of income." We need the ability to win crazy paranormal kung fu fights, or the ability to ensure that the high authorities of the land will block attempts to force such fights on us.

Second, imperial disfavor can crush us if we don't have a friend at court. Either because of something we didn't even know was happening and had no warning of because we have no allies at court, or because, as noted above, some rival who does have such an ally is using that connection to our disadvantage.

"A single point of failure where some bad rolls can doom the sect" is going to describe our situation no matter what we do. Having a strong leader means we can be doomed if someone kills that leader, but won't be doomed the moment some other, equally strong person decides to take over the sect.
I agree with u but we can't pick cherrys here and i was locking at the long term development of the sect as a whole. Yes it would be bad should someone try to sway the emperor but in my opnion the sect's and clan's will walk on egg shell's after the last purge and try to regain the status quo befor they do some overt moves on us + as u said we are a sect that's on ther border with ,if the option with the domain epxerts gets picked have one nascent soul grand elder. But in the grand sheme of things conflicts will mostly stay local as we at the beginnig would only be feuding with sect's on our level sure there can be some miss steps because one of their own is a concubine or minister in the palace. Tbh We are at the beginning barley a middle class sect and to unimportant to even consider further in the wide spanning conflict of the empire there are like 10000 sects in the empire sure some are mega overlords(holy lands) but most are just middle or above that and like all lets just be a face in the corwd at the beginning annonymity is the better part of valor in my opnion.


Edit: We can still send a disicple into the palace or ministry to get the conection we need for the court after we picked what will probaly be our income/ specialty.
 
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I agree with u but we can't pick cherrys here and i was locking at the long term development of the sect as a whole. Yes it would be bad should someone try to sway the emperor but in my opnion the sect's and clan's will walk on egg shell's after the last purge and try to regain the status quo befor they do some overt moves on us + as u said we are a sect that's on ther border with ,if the option with the domain epxerts gets picked have one nascent soul grand elder. But in the grand sheme of things conflicts will mostly stay local as we at the beginnig would only be feuding with sect's on our level sure there can be some miss steps because one of their own is a concubine or minister in the palace. Tbh We are at the beginning barley a middle class sect and to unimportant to even consider further in the wide spanning conflict of the empire there are like 10000 sects in the empire sure some are mega overlords(holy lands) but most are just middle or above that and like all lets just be a face in the corwd at the beginning annonymity is the better part of valor in my opnion.


Edit: We can still send a disicple into the palace or ministry to get the conection we need for the court after we picked what will probaly be our income/ specialty.
I'm sorry, but I'm probably missing some of what you're saying. Because your writing isn't legible to me. I can't properly understand you.

See, I don't think we can find safety in being "just a face in the crowd."

Being one of the 1001 (or more) recognized sects and ruling over a province means that even at game start, we have wealth and power. Wealth and power that means we are no longer anonymous. Especially if we have other treasures and boons that outsiders might desire.

This is xianxia, and one of the best ways to become strong is by taking what other people have. Anonymous outsiders with no powerful friends and collections of precious, powerful treasures are vulnerable, are targets, if they don't have the means to defend themselves.

Edit: We can still send a disicple into the palace or ministry to get the conection we need for the court after we picked what will probaly be our income/ specialty.
From the sound of it, the "imperial sect," the people who actually have standing in the core bureaucracy, are eunuchs. Given the cost of entering the imperial sect, the proportion of our sect who will agree to join the imperial sect on our behalf is probably... limited.

Of those who are willing to pay the price, the proportion of them who actually have the intelligence and political skill to be able to become a useful ally in a reasonable amount of time will be further limited.

And the proportion of them who will remain loyal to the interests of our sect after being sent on a decades-long deep cover mission that starts with being neutered is probably even further limited, to put it mildly.

...

So yes, we could probably try to infiltrate disciples into the imperial bureaucracy. We might even succeed, eventually.

In the same way, we could try to raise up a Nascent Soul Domain Foundation Elder, or capture great herds of spirit beasts, or make a legendary pill furnace, or acquire any other thing.

What we get by choosing the relevant option at character creation is to have this advantage now, and to actually have it, rather than having some risk of trying to get it and failing.

As my people say, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." It is much better to already have an advantage here and now, than to have some speculative possibility of maybe gaining the advantage eventually if things go well.
 
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[X] Plan The Best Pills Possible
-[X] The Red Plum Sect
-[X]The Great Seed Repository:
-[X]The Jade Pill Furnace:
-[X]Follow the Fifteenth
-[X]Northern Border:

[X] Plan Pragmatic Commerce
-[X] Sect Name: Jade Seed Sect
-[X] The Jade Pill Furnace
-[X] The Great Seed Repository
-[X] Follow the Fifteenth
-[X] On the River
 
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[X] Plan The Best Pills Possible
-[X] The Red Plum Sect
-[X]The Great Seed Repository:
-[X]The Jade Pill Furnace:
-[X]Follow the Fifteenth
-[X]Northern Border:
 
[X] Plan Totally Not Demonic Smugglers
-[x] Sect Name: Golden Horse Sect
-[x] Domain Foundation Elder
-[x] Demonic Remnants
-[x] Take a Flexible Path
-[x] Northern Border

Want to play as a Demonic Sect. Or as close to it as we can.
 
Remember, this isn't a completely freeform quest where we've got no goals other than what we want to work towards. There is a specific target of us needing to get goods that we can sell at that big auction which has been running for centuries, which probably forms the end goal of each "plan" for this planquest.

This plan gives us the Jade Pill Furnace to ensure that we have the ability to produce some quite high stage pills which should fetch a good price at the auction, or in a pinch be used to help our own sect members advance if we need more personal strength. The Spirit Beast Herds gives us an almost unlimited amount of ingredients we can use to make some pills as long as we take care of the herds, which will be good for both our own advancement once our sect members start working on body refinement and for ensuring that we basically always have something we can sell to others. Our location on the river allows us to more easily trade or send out expeditions to get out hands on whatever other ingredients we want or need, even possibly all the way to other Empires at some point.

The Seed Repository would also help with providing access to lots of ingredient herbs, but I think the wide variety it offers instead would overlap a bit with the access to the wide variety of markets the River provides.

[X]Plan: Celestial Ox Barbecue
-[X]Sect Name: Pure River Sect
-[X]The Jade Pill Furnace
-[X]Spirit Beast Herds
-[X]Follow the Nineteenth
-[X]On the River
 
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[X] Plan Totally Not Demonic Smugglers
-[X] Sect Name: Golden Horse Sect
-[X] Domain Foundation Elder
-[X] Demonic Remnants
-[X] Take a Flexible Path
-[X] Northern Border

Note: I am debating going from Domain Foundation Elder to Brother Eunuch for additional political cover. Not sure though.

[X] Plan The Best Pills Possible
[X] Plan Pragmatic Commerce
 
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[X] Plan Totally Not Demonic Smugglers
-[x] Sect Name: Golden Horse Sect
-[x] Domain Foundation Elder
-[x] Demonic Remnants
-[x] Take a Flexible Path
-[x] Northern Border
 
I'm sorry, but I'm probably missing some of what you're saying. Because your writing isn't legible to me. I can't properly understand you.

See, I don't think we can find safety in being "just a face in the crowd."

Being one of the 1001 (or more) recognized sects and ruling over a province means that even at game start, we have wealth and power. Wealth and power that means we are no longer anonymous. Especially if we have other treasures and boons that outsiders might desire.

This is xianxia, and one of the best ways to become strong is by taking what other people have. Anonymous outsiders with no powerful friends and collections of precious, powerful treasures are vulnerable, are targets, if they don't have the means to defend themselves.

From the sound of it, the "imperial sect," the people who actually have standing in the core bureaucracy, are eunuchs. Given the cost of entering the imperial sect, the proportion of our sect who will agree to join the imperial sect on our behalf is probably... limited.

Of those who are willing to pay the price, the proportion of them who actually have the intelligence and political skill to be able to become a useful ally in a reasonable amount of time will be further limited.

And the proportion of them who will remain loyal to the interests of our sect after being sent on a decades-long deep cover mission that starts with being neutered is probably even further limited, to put it mildly.

...

So yes, we could probably try to infiltrate disciples into the imperial bureaucracy. We might even succeed, eventually.

In the same way, we could try to raise up a Nascent Soul Domain Foundation Elder, or capture great herds of spirit beasts, or make a legendary pill furnace, or acquire any other thing.

What we get by choosing the relevant option at character creation is to have this advantage now, and to actually have it, rather than having some risk of trying to get it and failing.

As my people say, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." It is much better to already have an advantage here and now, than to have some speculative possibility of maybe gaining the advantage eventually if things go well.
I'm fully onboard, but I see the spirit beast and other resources as rarer than joining the imperial bureaucracy. We know the boons are rare, but I imagine that it would be easier to go after something already established and known (imperial bureaucracy) than some long, extinct plants or a spirit herd big enough to be a boon for the sect.Furthermore, we know there are imperial exams (yes,the eunuchs are a faction, but so are the ministers of the Empire; there are more factions than the eunuchs, mostly staffed by clans or influential families), and we know they are recruiting scholars and more to fill the positions in court so we can easily send one or more disciples to the capital and get a pulse for how the empire swings. We don't even have to be on top of the totem pole to get a general picture, so we don't get surprised. At least in my opinion, as you said, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." I'm more of the variant: ``better learn how to fish than have a fish in hand and not know how to´´.



Edit: I hope it's more eligible to read. Sorry if I didn't get it across because of my bad English on the first try.
 
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