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- Canada
No, but Arpus does Corinth to fuck Eretria up.
Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)
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No, but Arpus does Corinth to fuck Eretria up.
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- Central Europe
But the more we send the higher the risk of warCertainly not if you only send them token support
The question is what do we want from Metapontion the next time we are at war?
I personally am only looking to them as useful allies when it comes to keeping the Lucani, Messapii or Taras of each others back. They shouldn't expect too much (>1.5k) from us against Krotone, a foe much further away. Especially, since I doubt the Messapii will let Greeks march through their lands as easily when we would call on Metapontion to come north for war against the Dauni.
IMO what we need Metapontion to be is the inevitable 2nd front they will open should the Lucani/Messapii/Taras attack us. Their direct support against the Dauni would be nice, but not really essential.
- Location
- Luton Airport
Keeping Korinth off our backs is also a big part of what the Kerkyra alliance is about, plus the association with Athens, since they'll likely be annoyed at the disruption to their grain supply Korinth screwing with us would entail.
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- Mists of Albion
[X] Accept Metapontion's alliance and call arms. To Arms, Ionians, against the menace of the Dorians! We will shatter their spears and break their shields!
We can send about 200 Ekadromoi and 300 cavalry mix of the Kleos Exoria and Vassal cavalry and about 1000 Hoplites with about 150 being sent from each of the Epulian League. This should be enough to contribute to the frontline battle and our cavalry will definitely be very useful as will our Ekadromoi.
We can send about 200 Ekadromoi and 300 cavalry mix of the Kleos Exoria and Vassal cavalry and about 1000 Hoplites with about 150 being sent from each of the Epulian League. This should be enough to contribute to the frontline battle and our cavalry will definitely be very useful as will our Ekadromoi.
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- Austria
Deterrent againt more opportunistic Greeks, making them think very carefully before war. And against naval barbarians.
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- il bel paese dove il sì sona
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- He
We can equip 1.975 hoplites in all. These are the centrepiece of our army and their shattering charge and stout defense are vital to keep our militart superiority over potentially more numerous contingents of barbarian infantry.
Honestly, I am quite worried about this talk of sending half the force so far away: I say no more than 650, or a third of the total, but I'd ve more comfortable with just 500.
I'd also rather not send psiloi: they are more useful against barbarian skirmishers than in traditional Greek warfare.
Cavalry (especially the exiles) and Ekdromoi are I think our most special assets and probably the more valuable to our allies.
Honestly, I am quite worried about this talk of sending half the force so far away: I say no more than 650, or a third of the total, but I'd ve more comfortable with just 500.
I'd also rather not send psiloi: they are more useful against barbarian skirmishers than in traditional Greek warfare.
Cavalry (especially the exiles) and Ekdromoi are I think our most special assets and probably the more valuable to our allies.
Let's send half the Ekdromoi force, 250 of them, all the 50 Kleos Exoria and 125 cavalry.
Contributions from Vassals and allies:
Nothing from the League: many of them are Dorians and we don't want to risk a veto. Besides, they are numerically irrelevant and too close to the Dauni to be safe.
Peuketii and Gnatians: I am a bit conflicted, they could even be happy to send a couple hundred cavalrymen and javelineers, but I fear that barbarian auxiliaries, mostly loot motivated, might cause PR disasters by sacking some shrine. On the other hand Herodion should be experienced enough to keep them under control.
A couple questions for @Cetashwayo:
Are our metics already counted in our army numbers? Otherwise it could be a good idea to call for volunteers from the Ionian cause from that population.
Would a marriage between a citizen and metic be something thinkable? What about the children's status?
Iirc initially Athens required obly one citizen parent for citizenship, but this was changed to both under Pericles and with our radically democratic constitution I'd tend towards a more restrictive option. Still with a really large metic population denying citizenship to the offspring of mixed marriages seems a bit off.
Contributions from Vassals and allies:
Nothing from the League: many of them are Dorians and we don't want to risk a veto. Besides, they are numerically irrelevant and too close to the Dauni to be safe.
Peuketii and Gnatians: I am a bit conflicted, they could even be happy to send a couple hundred cavalrymen and javelineers, but I fear that barbarian auxiliaries, mostly loot motivated, might cause PR disasters by sacking some shrine. On the other hand Herodion should be experienced enough to keep them under control.
A couple questions for @Cetashwayo:
Are our metics already counted in our army numbers? Otherwise it could be a good idea to call for volunteers from the Ionian cause from that population.
Would a marriage between a citizen and metic be something thinkable? What about the children's status?
Iirc initially Athens required obly one citizen parent for citizenship, but this was changed to both under Pericles and with our radically democratic constitution I'd tend towards a more restrictive option. Still with a really large metic population denying citizenship to the offspring of mixed marriages seems a bit off.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
1. Yes, many of your psilloi are Metics
2. I don't really remember. There was a lot of discussion about this earlier in the quest and I think I did give some response, but I can't recall on whether or not it allowed one-parent citizenship. I'm not sure about it.
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
[X] Accept Metapontion's alliance and call arms. To Arms, Ionians, against the menace of the Dorians! We will shatter their spears and break their shields!
Sol Zagato
senseless brute
[X] Refuse Metapontion's alliance and call to arms. We cannot tie ourselves up in wars of Greek against Greek while our wall is being built! We may lose the alliance, but we have the security of isolation!
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- Canada
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- Him/He
Well, I guess we go to war then. Lets hope for a quick victory (the OTL events after Hiero death tend to support that) and to get everyone back home ASAP.
Its funny tough, for all of Eretria tendency to be somewhat ambivalent toward Athens sending an expeditionary corps to Sicily (or even the talon of the italian boot) really does make us sound like some kind of Athenai the furthest.
Its funny tough, for all of Eretria tendency to be somewhat ambivalent toward Athens sending an expeditionary corps to Sicily (or even the talon of the italian boot) really does make us sound like some kind of Athenai the furthest.
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- il bel paese dove il sì sona
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- He
I'd hope our troops will only be active in the area of present-day Basilicata and Calabria, but you have a point: now if onlt we had some silver mines laying about our settlement...
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- Canada
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- Him/He
Even if they do we they will still be far from our usual sphere of activites, witch tend to the quite uncommon for greeks. One of the many things that differentiated Athens from the others (until the Peloponesian War at least) was her willingness to throw her weight around on a far greater range then others. Sure, we aren't gonna go as far geographically but then we aren't as rich/powerfull then Athens either so one could say we are something of a pocket Athens
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
this ain't otl
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- Canada
[X] Accept Metapontion's alliance and call arms. To Arms, Ionians, against the menace of the Dorians! We will shattertheir spears and break their sheilds!
inawarminister
I ♥ anime
[X] Accept Metapontion's alliance and call arms. To Arms, Ionians, against the menace of the Dorians! We will shatter their spears and break their shields!
Ionians should endure together and repay the debt of what Galo and other Dorian tyrants did to our fellow Ionians in Sicily
Ionians should endure together and repay the debt of what Galo and other Dorian tyrants did to our fellow Ionians in Sicily
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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- a risen sea
Don't count your cities before they're sacked.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
Well I noticed people were still voting after the deadline but since it seems pretty decisive for the acceptance I'll say it's closed either way. Turn up when it's up. Need to make some new faction Icons 
- Location
- National Capital Region, USA
Straton volunteers to lead a unit. He knows he isn't getting younger, and wants to show all these beardless youths the arete of a true Greek Hoplite before too many more summers turn him into an old man.
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- Tarn-Vedra
[X] Accept Metapontion's alliance and call arms. To Arms, Ionians, against the menace of the Dorians! We will shatter their spears and break their shields!
- Location
- Orlando, Florida
@Cetashwayo When can we expect an update?