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Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)

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[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone.
 
Cavalier said:
I'd wait to hear from @Cetashwayo, but the idea would be to establish an annual festival in honor of Apollo as the giver of victory, and the sadly neglected Artemis as guarantor of the peace with the Iapygians. Harpos would provide a few fattened rams for a sacrifice to Artemis in the anniversary of the fall of Azetion, at a ritual the Peuketti (and perhaps even the Messappii) would attend. Specific celebrations of athletics, the hoplitodromos and pankration, could be supplemented with a play competition of considerable purse (to improve our theater) and perhaps some sort of sacred nighttime hunt in honor of Artemis.

By and large the Peuketti contribution would be symbolic, so Harpos will feel honored rather than burdened. If this all isn't stretching Hellenic norms too far, that is. A festival to honor Artemis related to the fall of Azetion would still be worthwhile, mind, even if limited to Eretrians.
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Yup. For the long term, we need to start looking at ways to bind the Peuketti to us that don't involve slaughtering half their population every twenty years. A festival celebrating a joint victory is a start to that.
 
Cavalier said:
I'd wait to hear from @Cetashwayo, but the idea would be to establish an annual festival in honor of Apollo as the giver of victory, and the sadly neglected Artemis as guarantor of the peace with the Iapygians. Harpos would provide a few fattened rams for a sacrifice to Artemis in the anniversary of the fall of Azetion, at a ritual the Peuketti (and perhaps even the Messappii) would attend. Specific celebrations of athletics, the hoplitodromos and pankration, could be supplemented with a play competition of considerable purse (to improve our theater) and perhaps some sort of sacred nighttime hunt in honor of Artemis.

By and large the Peuketti contribution would be symbolic, so Harpos will feel honored rather than burdened. If this all isn't stretching Hellenic norms too far, that is. A festival to honor Artemis related to the fall of Azetion would still be worthwhile, mind, even if limited to Eretrians.
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Not a bad idea at all, I'd allow it as long as the Peuketii were not allowed within the city walls.

ctulhuslp said:
@Cetashwayo , earlier you said flocks went onto our lands due to lack of border markings. Can we build those in some form?
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It'd be up to Harpos.

Thanks for the catch @Van Ropen, fixed.

@racnor Will fix the error in the text.

Shebe Zuu said:
If that's the point I think a more effective way of doing that might be to have him hang Eretrian banners from that fort he wants to build. Lets everyone who sees it know that he's holding it in our name.
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Border markers like stones and such are probably a better idea, or victory monuments.

Versharl said:
I thought we decided to do the whole "you're all equally worthless in the eyes of Eretria so none of you will be king over the others." When did we elevate Harpos?
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Previously Canosa was foremost among the Peuketii, so making Harpos equal to them was an elevation.
 
Versharl said:
Do we need to make a new write-in/user motion or is the current addition to the vote enough?
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I'll interpret it with a festival in a similar way to the way I had a sacrifice of the sheep that wasn't explicitly in the sheep choice. That kind of stuff I let grow from what people comment on and talk about unless there's some vociferous opposition to a festival. We're not Marked for Death, no need to enunciate every detail.
 
Cavalier said:
I'd wait to hear from @Cetashwayo, but the idea would be to establish an annual festival in honor of Apollo as the giver of victory, and the sadly neglected Artemis as guarantor of the peace with the Iapygians. Harpos would provide a few fattened rams for a sacrifice to Artemis in the anniversary of the fall of Azetion, at a ritual the Peuketti (and perhaps even the Messappii) would attend. Specific celebrations of athletics, the hoplitodromos and pankration, could be supplemented with a play competition of considerable purse (to improve our theater) and perhaps some sort of sacred nighttime hunt in honor of Artemis.

By and large the Peuketti contribution would be symbolic, so Harpos will feel honored rather than burdened. If this all isn't stretching Hellenic norms too far, that is. A festival to honor Artemis related to the fall of Azetion would still be worthwhile, mind, even if limited to Eretrians.
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I will lift your rock!
 
I think I might lift the three kleftes restriction again for user motion write-ins if they're not standalone and just have people vote for it if they want to :p
 
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.

Edit: I can see how literally no one voted for bordergore. I approve of our united decision to reward loyalty and merit.
 
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"Fellow citizens, if the polis be minded on this course, then I propose as follows; that our loyal vassal Harpos be obliged for his new lands to present the choicest rams of the herds he is to establish upon them, for sacrifice to the gods on the anniversary of the fall of Azetion. Furthermore that we should dedicate the period around the fall of this city as a festival to honor far-seeing Apollo and his sister Artemis of the Golden Shaft in perpetuity. The former shall be honored as the giver of victory in our full establishment of hegemony in our new lands, and the latter as the guarantor of our good peace with the Messappii.

In honor of Apollo we should have athletic games and martial sport. The hoplitodromos is a good sport for our city and we should esteem it above all others so that we might be ever-prepared to face the foe in full panoply and array. But we should not neglect the honorable pankration and the sprint and the distance run, as well as the javelin-toss and the discus throw beloved of Apollo. But as Apollo is a god of music and civilization we should also honor him with the provision of hymns and a competition of lyre-players, and we should establish a run of plays at the theater with a noble and significant prize beyond the esteem of the city. A panel of composed of priests and the most esteemed men of the city might judge the plays and establish conditions for them, as the plays should be focused on honoring the gods and our ancestors and not on unseemly personal ambitions.

In honor of Artemis we might establish a sacred hunt in the nighttime for our youths, to run free and wild in display of their skills of tracking and shooting. We have neglected the rites of the goddess and so it is fitting that we establish new annual sacrifices and displays to beseech the favor of the sibling to our patron. We might also recall that Daxtus of the Messappii swore his oaths of peace by Artemis and the she of the silent bow thus guarantees the good agreement that we made with them. Our increase in population calls more frequently for her intercession as midwife as well, so we should do well to placate and honor her that we might enjoy the full fruits of tranquility now.

Now as we are celebrating the victory over Azetion and our hegemony of the Peuketti with the produce of our wise indulgence of our vassals, it is fitting that they participate in the rites of honor. While no barbaroi should be allowed within the city walls during the festival we should have their foremost chiefs and nobles present at the sacrifices and the games. They should be honored to take part in the rites and have the opportunity to likewise be blessed by the gods so long as they remember their place, and our athletic and martial displays will help insure that they do so. The merchants and others may conduct business outside the walls and the xenoparakletor may meet and know the foremost men of the Peuketti at that time so as to better manage his position. Indeed it might be to our advantage to have the Messappii send a delegation to the sacrifice to Artemis that they will remember our pact of peace and be reminded that they risk the arrows of that goddess should they seek to violate that engagement.

So proposes Kallias, son of Aristides."

OOC: Also reminds me hmm, what other festivals do we have? There's the festival of the afexi, in honor of the marriage of Apollo and Athena and the arrival in Italy. Aside from that it might be a good idea to dedicate the founding of the Epulian League to Zeus and hold special rites then with the fellow members of the League. And then of course we'd establish this new one in favor of Apollo and Artemis in honor of the fall of Azetion and the completion of our hegemony as well as the feast of the sheep and the peace with the Messappii. I think we might also establish holidays for Poseidon and Demeter, who are honored in the Arkadion. I mean it doesn't add benefits per se, but it'd help establish a lot of character for the polis to have these sorts of civic holidays. And fodder for events, of course.
 
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Cavalier said:
OOC: Also reminds me hmm, what other festivals do we have? There's the festival of the afexi, in honor of the marriage of Apollo and Athena and the arrival in Italy. Aside from that it might be a good idea to dedicate the founding of the Epulian League to Zeus and hold special rites then with the fellow members of the League. And then of course we'd establish this new one in favor of Apollo and Artemis in honor of the fall of Azetion and the completion of our hegemony as well as the feast of the sheep and the peace with the Messappii. I think we might also establish holidays for Poseidon and Demeter, who are honored in the Arkadion. I mean it doesn't add benefits per se, but it'd help establish a lot of character for the polis to have these sorts of civic holidays. And fodder for events, of course.
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These are the festivals we have:

Summer Festival: Every year bulls are slaughtered on the akropolis in celebration of the Divine Union of Apollo and Athena and the unity of the city in reflection of their own marriage. The greatness of Eretria and its laws are manifest in this celebration.

Procession of the One Marriage: A yearly festival, the most important festival in Eretria that takes place in the spring and was first performed when the city decided to join Athena and Apollo as its patron gods. In recent years it has also included bull running, introduced by a troop of enthusiastic boys. The procession goes from the gates of the city to the ruins of the city of Bare (now mostly removed besides a single half-destroyed house on the Akropolis) and to the Shrine of the marriage.
 
Just add it in as a vote and if there's no strong opposition I'll add it if a good number of people vote for it (say, 10-15).
 
No7sHere said:
How do we actually vote for this option, like what do we write after the check box?
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Vote for ironanvil's option: [] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.

Since he's given the approval for Cavalier's thing to be added to his, pretty much.
 
No7sHere said:
Also didn't some regions of greece have martial dances that were similar to formation drill?
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There were all kinds of ways to martial armies in Greece like that, yeah. The Spartans used the split-flute when on the march and went totally silent otherwise, going at a walking pace towards the enemy (the real value of the Spartans was not individual prowess but their professional drill).

Night_stalker said:
I will lift the rock for free lamb.

What? I've had IRL lamb, not allowing others to enjoy it is cruel.
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The motion's passed, just vote for IA's option.
 
Yeah, I am all in favour of festivals and games.


[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.
 
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.
 
And remember: The new vote tally allows you to account for vote-changes by only counting the latest vote, so feel free to make a new vote without deleting or changing your old one.
 
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.
 
[X] Provide more land to Harpos so that he may build his fortress. He has proven himself a good and loyal subject, and if we do not reward good and loyal subjects, what kind of masters are we? A dog who is beaten when he is good and given treats when he is bad is not useful to anyone. But a good sheepdog should continue to herd sheep, and it is moot that Harpos provide us a token of his respect from the flocks he will raise on the new land, as his overlords.

In honor of Apollo we should have athletic games and martial sport. The hoplitodromos is a good sport for our city and we should esteem it above all others so that we might be ever-prepared to face the foe in full panoply and array. But we should not neglect the honorable pankration and the sprint and the distance run, as well as the javelin-toss and the discus throw beloved of Apollo. But as Apollo is a god of music and civilization we should also honor him with the provision of hymns and a competition of lyre-players, and we should establish a run of plays at the theater with a noble and significant prize beyond the esteem of the city. A panel of composed of priests and the most esteemed men of the city might judge the plays and establish conditions for them, as the plays should be focused on honoring the gods and our ancestors and not on unseemly personal ambitions.

In honor of Artemis we might establish a sacred hunt in the nighttime for our youths, to run free and wild in display of their skills of tracking and shooting. We have neglected the rites of the goddess and so it is fitting that we establish new annual sacrifices and displays to beseech the favor of the sibling to our patron. We might also recall that Daxtus of the Messappii swore his oaths of peace by Artemis and the she of the silent bow thus guarantees the good agreement that we made with them. Our increase in population calls more frequently for her intercession as midwife as well, so we should do well to placate and honor her that we might enjoy the full fruits of tranquility now.

Now as we are celebrating the victory over Azetion and our hegemony of the Peuketti with the produce of our wise indulgence of our vassals, it is fitting that they participate in the rites of honor. While no barbaroi should be allowed within the city walls during the festival we should have their foremost chiefs and nobles present at the sacrifices and the games. They should be honored to take part in the rites and have the opportunity to likewise be blessed by the gods so long as they remember their place, and our athletic and martial displays will help insure that they do so. The merchants and others may conduct business outside the walls and the xenoparakletor may meet and know the foremost men of the Peuketti at that time so as to better manage his position. Indeed it might be to our advantage to have the Messappii send a delegation to the sacrifice to Artemis that they will remember our pact of peace and be reminded that they risk the arrows of that goddess should they seek to violate that engagement.
 
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