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Of course. The Petty King of a single continent on a single planet in a dimensional sea of worlds could possibly claim that title.
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The end of episode skit was hilarious.
Einhart: "That's Nove! i need to ambush her politely."
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Fiction is best advised to follow standards, though. An emperor is the ruler of an empire, which is a kingdom that dominates other, lesser kingdoms and exacts tribute from them.
Furthermore, a Belkan emperor should be the emperor of the Belkan Empire. There may be other emperors at the same time, ruling over separate empires, but you cannot have two emperors for the same empire at the same time! Especially not when they are allies like Olivie and Klaus!
They already showed us with Ixpellia that they are capable of conceiving of non-Belkan empires that exist at the same time as (and in conflict with) the Belkan Empire. So why did they suddenly forget that simple concept?
Regarding silly limitations like landmasses, well, the Empire of Star Wars was clearly interstellar, with a central power dominating lots of smaller governments.
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notthepenguins
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It... shows the edge of her panties as she zips her skirt up. That's it. It does show them in panties as they're changing in the gym, but the camera is pretty zoomed out. Vivio's transformation sequence is even (very slightly) less sexualized than most prior Nanoha ones. We'll see what happens with actual fight sequences later, but so far the fanservice quotient is notably lower than I expected.
The episode overall was good. Not great - it was a bit of a slow start - but cute, and fun. I look forward to more.
Shanejayell
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Yeah. *shrug* The fanservice is about the same as the manga, really. If you read the manga, you know what's to be expected.
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There's one thing I've always mused about Lyrical Nanoha and its Belka. They speak German and have flight superiority in most cases. I've always thought of them as Ace Combat's Belka during the Belkan War, finding magic as their newest superweapon and winning.
But maybe its just a reference.
But maybe its just a reference.
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Something of a nitpick: The armies of the interplanetary/trans-dimensional hyper magi-tech empire with the capabity to sterilize entire worlds go to war on horses. On fucking horses. It even looks like they used plain ol' steel to fight, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt; could be devices in sword and armor form.
As for the episode, I guess it's pasable. My last magical girl show was Madoka Rebellion, and before that it was Madoka, and before that it was Nanoha Strikers. I suppose it'll take me some time to get used to Vivid.
As for the episode, I guess it's pasable. My last magical girl show was Madoka Rebellion, and before that it was Madoka, and before that it was Nanoha Strikers. I suppose it'll take me some time to get used to Vivid.
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My biggest nitpick, is the implication that the entire Saint Kaiser Wars took place on a single Planet! I thought it took place over dozens of planets at least.
Really, the adaptors have zero sense of scale!
Also, yes. War on horses. Horses. When Orbital Bombardment was apparently standard warfare even back then, and that civilization had Lost Logias that the TSAB can't replicate.
Really, the adaptors have zero sense of scale!
Also, yes. War on horses. Horses. When Orbital Bombardment was apparently standard warfare even back then, and that civilization had Lost Logias that the TSAB can't replicate.
notthepenguins
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Let's be fair to the adapters - this was present in the manga as well. It wasn't less dumb then, though.
Jimmy C
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To be fair, by the time of Ingvalt and Olive, the Belkan Empire that ruled many worlds throughout the dimensional sea was already history. This was just pretenders to glory fight over the remaining scraps on a single planet.
And you know what? They all lost! The non-Belkans on the planet crushed them and brought peace and order to their world. That's why it's named Mid-childa instead of something like "Neo-Belka".
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The "fragmenting fallen empire" explanation certainly makes sense, but I wish they'd show it.
At first they fight with spaceships and large-scale magical weapons over multiple dimensions.
Then they fight with strong personal magic and devices over a planet.
And then they fight with basic weapons and weal magic users (since the strong ones have been wiped out mostly) over small scraps of land.
Just alluding to the "former glory of Belka before its fall" or how late-era belka was less advanced than Mid-Childa now is would really do the trick.
At first they fight with spaceships and large-scale magical weapons over multiple dimensions.
Then they fight with strong personal magic and devices over a planet.
And then they fight with basic weapons and weal magic users (since the strong ones have been wiped out mostly) over small scraps of land.
Just alluding to the "former glory of Belka before its fall" or how late-era belka was less advanced than Mid-Childa now is would really do the trick.
Well we know belkan devices are less advanced than modern Mid-childan ones evidenced by the fact that the wolkenritters devices were upgraded and signum commenting on the fact that her sword is sharper than it's ever been.
Jimmy C
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For the intro of the first episode, I'd say that level of detail is unnecessary. Though the fact that it doesn't get raised later in the manga, and probably won't get mentioned in the anime either as a result, is a concern.
Although, I could say they never actually said Belka was an empire that spanned multiple worlds before.
I warned you about the horses, bro. I warned you!
How can the conflict of Olivie's day be happening on just a single planet? Wasn't the Saint's Cradle in play before she stepped aboard? That thing is a planet-glasser, and by the sounds of it, her older siblings were earnestly fighting to reconquer the rebels and rebuild the empire.
Also, wasn't Klaus' home of Shutra another planet?
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Deadly Snark
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I don't know what the original term was, but I think that the general translation used to refer to them is not Emperor, but rather Saint Kings? So to me it sounds exactly like what other people have been saying, an Empire that was falling apart into petty kingdoms ruled by Warlords which are nominally one Empire.
Jimmy C
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If it was in play, she would have already been aboard.
A single ship wouldn't have been enough to dominate too many worlds, no matter how powerful. It can only be in one place at a time. If they stretched themselves too thin, they would have lost all those worlds. Then, they'd be down to one planet, and finally, just part of that planet. Which is where Olive and Ingvalt were at the end.
There could have been many reasons why they didn't use the vessel until the end, or perhaps they actually had. The important point would be their possession of the Cradle made them the most powerful of the Belkan splinters on the planet. Then they showed a moment of weakness and everyone pounced on them. Olive used the Cradle, there were probably no survivors and the Mid-Childans had their own conflicts after that and took a few more centuries before they began cleaning up the mess.
Wasn't she the youngest of a bunch of siblings, and initially kept out of the war by being sent to Shutra as a political hostage?
Presumably, her older siblings were using the Cradle and she was being kept off of it.
I was refuting YOUR idea that the war was happening on only a SINGLE world. In that argument, it doesn't matter how many multiple worlds the Cradle can menace, except as a measure of how thoroughly it would dominate a conflict limited to just one world.
Are you shifting goal-posts now by reframing the argument as "the war was happening on multiple worlds"?
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Crazael
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This is the first time ive heard any of the saint kings referred to as Emperors. As for the scale of the war, my personal headcanon is that it was mostly contained to the few worlds the Belkan Empire still possessed and that hadn't already been wrecked. And that the period Olivie is from was something like the Warring States period of Japan, where you have a bunch of clans fighting amongst themselves in what is ostensibly a unified Empire.
Dreitus
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Is that the bar you're setting!?
Anyway, with regards to the movies, the first one cut out a lot of character development, though the second was rather good considering the pacing issues in A's.
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Not that you aren't onto something, but...
If they weren't emperors, then who WAS? Who rules an empire, if not an emperor?
I know Rome had a two-man or three-man arrangement at one time or another, but...
Jimmy C
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No I'm not. I was just trying to show how an Empire with the Cradle could have lost said empire to the point where they were only left with one world. Resulting in the world of Ingvalt and Olive's time.
Maybe her empire did use it in such a way, maybe they didn't. There can be so many reasons for either, that I can't even begin to guess. How ever the situation was, they showed a moment of weakness, and everyone else pounced. It only ended when Olive used the Cradle.
Crazael
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Presumably, at the height of their power, they had one. Olivie reigned at the tail end of a long period of civil war that could have easily lasted for generations.