Lyrical Nanoha gets a moe Loli spin-off

And maybe they are two children that are younger that 10 and in Japanese mindset nudy taboo is not applicable to them. Like visiting public baths with parents for example. For all flack Japan get about being perverted I kinda notice that western audience is even more so and manages to find fanservice where Japanese one do not...
 
It was pretty tame where fanservice is concerned. I'm good with it if they just stuck to one transformation per character per powerup.

Watching stock footage is a waste of time.
 
And maybe they are two children that are younger that 10 and in Japanese mindset nudy taboo is not applicable to them. For all flack Japan get about being perverted I kinda notice that western audience is even more so and manages to find fanservice where Japanese one do not...
Nanoha is a spinoff from an eroge, aimed primarily at an adult male audience, and its transformation sequences are rather sexualized (seriously, compare Nanoha's to Precure's - what Precure, aimed at preteen girls and thus not sexualized at all, notably lacks is step-by-step stripping of its characters, complete with camera angles to emphasize it). From there it's pretty reasonable to assume that fanservice was their intent when it might otherwise be a bit ambiguous.

Also, I just opened up the hot springs episode to verify that I wasn't just misremembering... and Yuuno's reaction to a blithely unaware Nanoha naked in front of him is a rather strong indicator that the nudity was not intended to be just no big deal. With regards to audience-directed fanservice: the still shots of the girls are pretty much stock hot springs fanservice shots, they spontaneously develop curves and inexplicable back arches for half the shots when they're in towels, etc. It's not a huge offender, especially by today's standards, because it's not constant and it's fairly constrained, but it is there.

Of course, the fanservice is hardly that episode's greatest sin; much like the rest of the first half/two-thirds of season one, the pacing is just so bad. And ye gods, the art. Much off-model, much paper doll - and its art was hardly impressive to begin with. I remain in support of introducing people via the first movie, rather than the first season.
 
and Yuuno's reaction to a blithely unaware Nanoha naked in front of him is a rather strong indicator that the nudity was not intended to be just no big deal.
Actually poking at cultural differences of characters is common theme, even if mostly shows in things like that (well and name order and who uses honorifics and who do not). Nanoha is Japanese, Yuuno is from Western-culture equivalent. It's not a thing for Nanoha (or Japanese viewers), but thing for Yuuno. Later there is clash about common bathing between Caro who comes from tribal culture (and later grew with Preservation Corps and Forest Rangers that live for prolonged time in wilderness have different taboos among themselves even in western culture) and Erio who is again from Western-equivalent is quite flustered about that.
 
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Or watch the first episode then jump ahead to Fate's arrival.
That only skips two episodes, actually - she shows up in episode 4. And the movie is so pretty, and only very mildly suffers for its compression (though it does like to exaggerate power levels).

Here are some scans for character designs someone on animesuki found.
Not quite sure what's up with Subaru and Nove not just removing the suspenders, but I can roll with it. I'm really liking the art style.
 
Funny thing about that it doesn't actually exagerate.
Uh... were we watching the same show? They weren't at "Accidentally break the whole area of city we're fighting in" levels before StrikerS at least. The level of casual property damage they do in their big fight is just spectacular. Hell, just compare Fate's Phalanx Shift in the series to the movie - in the movie it's at least 6 times the size (could be bigger, hard to say with the buildings in the way).
 
Uh... were we watching the same show? They weren't at "Accidentally break the whole area of city we're fighting in" levels before StrikerS at least. The level of casual property damage they do in their big fight is just spectacular. Hell, just compare Fate's Phalanx Shift in the series to the movie - in the movie it's at least 6 times the size (could be bigger, hard to say with the buildings in the way).
Soundstages confirms that the movie 1st is 1: an alternate timeline and 2: that it is an in universe movie where the magical combat is accurate enough to be used as reference material for TSAB mages.

Edit: there is also the fact that movie had a better budget than the series and they could take their time to animate it to a higher standard of quality and and so they didn't need to draw out the charging scenes were buster attacks or starlight breaker was used.

If you wonder why that is it's becuase we know that starlight breaker+ take 10 seconds to charge and cast and has an offical casting speed rank of F while divine buster has a casting speed of C despite this in some scenes it take more than 10 seconds to charge and fire the buster attack which means that the scene is either slowed down or drawn out to save on the animation.
 
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Soundstages confirms that the movie 1st is 1: an alternate timeline and 2: that it is an in universe movie where the magical combat is accurate enough to be used as reference material for TSAB mages.
Yes, they're in-universe pseudo-documentaries, which is an extremely cool idea to explain inconsistencies. But "This is how high-level magic combat works in-setting" is distinct from "Nanoha and Fate were actually slinging around this kind of power at that age;" they weren't. There being a reason for the exaggeration doesn't actually make it less exaggerated.
 
Yes, they're in-universe pseudo-documentaries, which is an extremely cool idea to explain inconsistencies. But "This is how high-level magic combat works in-setting" is distinct from "Nanoha and Fate were actually slinging around this kind of power at that age;" they weren't. There being a reason for the exaggeration doesn't actually make it less exaggerated.
It's a TSAB propaganda film, of course.
 
From what I hear, the first movie forsakes developing Nanoha's character in order to spend more time on Fate and Precia. Does it even introduce Linith? Because Linith wasn't important enough to replace "why Nanoha feels motivated to DO all of this".

Not that the first season is a masterpiece, but.
 
Aren't the movies supposed to be in-universe propaganda films to capitalize on the living urban legends that are Nanoha and Fate? If so, then any discrepancies can be blamed on Mid-Childan Hollywood.
 
From what I hear, the first movie forsakes developing Nanoha's character in order to spend more time on Fate and Precia. Does it even introduce Linith? Because Linith wasn't important enough to replace "why Nanoha feels motivated to DO all of this".

Not that the first season is a masterpiece, but.
No, not at all. The first movie devotes more energy to Fate and Precia, introduces Linith, and I feel does much better justice to Nanoha's own motives, which don't get across very well in the series. The tradeoff is that the relationship between Fate and Nanoha feels a little bit less natural (because you're seeing it develop over an hour or two, not twice that).
 
That only skips two episodes, actually - she shows up in episode 4. And the movie is so pretty, and only very mildly suffers for its compression (though it does like to exaggerate power levels).

Talkin' about fanservice though ...

I was initially not really interested in Vivid because I felt I was well past my Nanoha stage, but there's is something weirdly appealing about seeing this franchise with 21st century art and animation. It's like the whole show grew up with the characters :V
 
Aren't the movies supposed to be in-universe propaganda films to capitalize on the living urban legends that are Nanoha and Fate? If so, then any discrepancies can be blamed on Mid-Childan Hollywood.
They're half propaganda and half bio-pic docudramas.
 
No, not at all. The first movie devotes more energy to Fate and Precia, introduces Linith, and I feel does much better justice to Nanoha's own motives, which don't get across very well in the series. The tradeoff is that the relationship between Fate and Nanoha feels a little bit less natural (because you're seeing it develop over an hour or two, not twice that).
Does it cut out the flashback scene where Nanoha confronts Arisa for Suzuka's sake and the Chummy Trio is born?
 
So then how does the movie establish that Nanoha is willing to fight Fate with live weapons in part because fighting has proven to solve her problems and win her friendships?

Does it even still have the scene where Yuuno asks Nanoha why she's helping him, and she tells Yuuno that she's trying to emulate her father, a man who risked his own life to help other people?

Did they drop the incident with the one Jewel Seed that Nanoha ignored? The one that turned into a giant tree and basically DESTROYED her hometown? Because the guilt from that incident is another HUGE part of what shaped her into the magical girl we all know by the series's end.
 
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So then how does the movie establish that Nanoha is willing to fight Fate with live weapons in part because fighting has proven to solve her problems and win her friendships?

Does it even still have the scene where Yuuno asks Nanoha why she's helping him, and she tells Yuuno that she's trying to emulate her father, a man who risked his own life to help other people?

Did they drop the incident with the one Jewel Seed that Nanoha ignored? The one that turned into a giant tree and basically DESTROYED her hometown? Because the guilt from that incident is another HUGE part of what shaped her into the magical girl we all know by the series's end.
...okay, it's clear you feel really intensely about this, so I'm not exactly inclined to try to argue the point? I stand by my earlier statements, and you can dislike the movie if you want.
 
...okay, it's clear you feel really intensely about this, so I'm not exactly inclined to try to argue the point? I stand by my earlier statements, and you can dislike the movie if you want.
What I feel strongly is that someone's introduction to Lyrical Nanoha should be a version of the story that includes all of these events, as they are all very important to Takamachi Nanoha, the title character and main heroine.

I've never seen the movies except for some bits and pieces. I don't know if the first movie contains any of these informative events.
 
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What I feel strongly is that someone's introduction to Lyrical Nanoha should be a version of the story that includes all of these events, as they are all very important to Takamachi Nanoha, the title character and main heroine.

I've never seen the movies except for some bits and pieces. I don't know if the first movie contains any of these informative events.
From memory, the movie is basically for if you already know the plot and characters, and are now there for the remastered fights.
 
From memory, the movie is basically for if you already know the plot and characters, and are now there for the remastered fights.
I have no particular problem with that.

I mean, if they could have condensed the whole 13 episodes into a single kickass movie without leaving any character development behind, great. But I generally don't expect movies to manage that.

Mostly I'm just arguing with NotThePenguins about the validity of introducing people to the franchise with the movie.

I will admit the movie might be the better start for someone who isn't sure they want to sit through 13 full-length episodes, but I worry that learning about Nanoha's backstory only after the fact (assuming the new fan goes back to watch the original season at all) would leave one thinking that Nanoha is more of a plot device than a character.
 
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