I would not be surprise if they are. For all intents and purposes, the Stargates are fairly simple machines with clear purposes and very easy methods to accomplish said purpose. I mean, the fact that you can just manually dial the standard Milky Way Stargate and at most just requires a strong enough power source to work, just speaks of how simple the thing is.
As a general rule, making something idiot proof is harder than making it very delicate and reliant on perfect conditions.

That something has a great UI, doesn't mean the machine behind the UI is simple.
Didn't Carter in one episode say that hey had to outright ignore over 200 security protocols in the dial-up sequence alone, to just get the SGC gate to even attempt a connection with its lack of a DHD?
That's why they got into so many weird shenanigans with it - the black hole episode for one. I distinctly remember Carter saying that a normal Gate wouldn't have opened a connection, because a normal gate would have detected a black hole at the other end and therefore would have cut the attempt before the gravity waves can begin to wreck havoc on the dialing end. The reason for why SGC had to deal with it, is because their dialing computer was MacGuyvered together, and one of the weird errors they didn't understand before (and thus ignored to get the Gate working) was the subroutine intended to safeguard against that scenario.

Weren't the Tollans basically the only species (originating from humans) in Milky Way to have successfully reverse-engineered and built their own gate? The people with ground-to-orbit ion cannons, phase tech, "Schrodinger's cat? That quaint little misconception about quantum mechanics that we disproved centuries ago?" Tollans?
 
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Weren't the Tollans basically the only species (originating from humans) in Milky Way to have successfully reverse-engineered and built their own gate? The people with ground-to-orbit ion cannons, phase tech, "Schrodinger's cat? That quaint little misconception about quantum mechanics that we disproved centuries ago?" Tollans?
IIRC no. They got their replacement gate from the Nox as far as I can tell.
 
I would not be surprise if they are. For all intents and purposes, the Stargates are fairly simple machines with clear purposes and very easy methods to accomplish said purpose. I mean, the fact that you can just manually dial the standard Milky Way Stargate and at most just requires a strong enough power source to work, just speaks of how simple the thing is.
As a general rule, making something idiot proof is harder than making it very delicate and reliant on perfect conditions.
Didn't Carter in one episode say that hey had to outright ignore over 200 security protocols in the dial-up sequence alone, to just get the SGC gate to even attempt a connection with its lack of a DHD?

Haha no. That's not true. Despite being simple for the end user, they are hideously complex. If it was that simple, the Tau'ri would have made a copy of them. Instead, they don't even understand half the output signals. Oh wait, they ignore half the output signals, and they don't understand most of the ones that their system does pick up. (They do understand that an unknown signal means "Stop dialing, you idiots." though.)

Let's look at the horizon/puddle. Like, how even does that work? We see in "38 Minutes" that leaving people or machinery halfway through the horizon is perfectly fine - Ford's arm doesn't feel weird after McKay pulls him out, indicating his arm is still getting blood flow and his veins are still working. So clearly, his heart is still pumping blood behind the horizon, out to the parts of his body in front of the horizon. Except why isn't his brain working, then? McKay had to pull him out, because when he was parked halfway into the horizon he couldn't move himself.

And the Puddle Jumper works perfectly fine despite the front bit being stuck in the horizon. But a better example is the MALPs they send through. They stop transmitting once the transmitter goes into the buffer, but they keep driving forward even as the controller and batteries enter the buffer. Like how does that buffer even work?

The only consistent way to handle the buffer that I've come up with requires "38 minutes" to be non-applicable to this AU, and I don't want to change the technology if it requires changing the plot. I mean, there are a few plot threads that I consider extraneous that I'm going to completely remove. And since I didn't watch the last two seasons of SG-1 or any of Universe, well, those are going to be radically different than canon depicted them.

Remember, Stargates aren't simple wormholes, they're essentially teleporters that work through a wormhole.
Weren't the Tollans basically the only species (originating from humans) in Milky Way to have successfully reverse-engineered and built their own gate? The people with ground-to-orbit ion cannons, phase tech, "Schrodinger's cat? That quaint little misconception about quantum mechanics that we disproved centuries ago?" Tollans?
I imagine that the Nox helped quite a bit, and that the Tollan Stargate required a bunch of underground support (aka all the power and wormhole systems were located below ground.) Also, as we can see, the Tollan Stargate is significantly less durable than the 2nd and 3rd generation Stargates. I'm also pretty sure it isn't intergalactic-capable.
 
Chapter 16
Chapter 16

20 July 2000
1305 hours.


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Jack
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"We'll need snacks." O'Neill commented, looking at the pilfered plans for the upgraded mothership.

"We'll also need some high explosives and a way to get through the gate." Carter shot back, rolling her eyes. O'Neill could sometimes be a bit silly.

"Well, those should be easy to get." Daniel said. "Just stroll right into the armory, and stroll right out. We'll be in and out before they can finish blinking."

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"Who the hell is dialing out right now?" Hammond asked, as the outgoing wormhole alarm picked up. "We don't have anything scheduled for today."

He picked up the phone, tapping in an extension. "This is General Hammond. I need someone to check up on SG-1 and our Tok'ra guests."

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Below, in the Gate room, O'Neill, Carter, and Daniel waited, watching the ring spin as the dialing sequence advanced.

Teal'c strode into the room. "O'Neill!"

"Not this time, Teal'c." O'Neill responded as the seventh chevron locked. And then nothing happened. The lights on the gate went out. The outgoing wormhole alarm silenced.

"Well this is awkward." Daniel said, as the guards started groaning their way back to consciousness.

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"Well, this is troubling." Anise said.

"You were planning on them doing that, weren't you?" Hammond declared more than asked.

"I was not referring to SG-1's behavior, but the fact that the Stargate did not connect." Anise deflected.

"That's concerning. What's more concerning is that you seemed to try to compromise my best team with untested alien technology." Hammon attempted to steer the conversation back towards the topic he wanted to pursue: chew out the Tok'ra scientist over her leveraging the team into accepting.

"I will need to report to my superiors about this problem." Anise refused to allow that, ignoring the change in topic.

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"The report from the Tok'ra is clear. They have been unable to dial the location of the prototype ha'tak." Anise reported a few hours later.

"Right, so either the gate is buried, or gone." Hammond responded. "I'm going to guess it's gone."

"I would assume that as well. In which case it is likely that the prototype is gone. Most likely a rival of Apophis has found the site, and either captured or destroyed the prototype. Hopefully it was destroyed along with all the data on it. The performance of the prototype is estimated to be four to five times that of the previous standard for ha'taks. If it was captured as-is, the attacker will likely be able to field it within the next three to four months."

"Well, we'll see if we can do anything about that, then." Hammond sighed.

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22 July 2000
10am mountain time


"Sir, the Tok'ra have given us an intel package, and it's not good news."

"Alright soldier, let's hear it." Hammond sighed. This was not turning out to be a fun week.

"Apophis is on the move. Apparently the loss of his super-mothership ticked him off more than expected, and now he's gathering his fleet to attack whoever stole or destroyed it. Of course, he's just as much in the dark as we are about who actually stole the thing, so he'll be flailing around hitting people and causing all sorts of trouble until he decides to stop."

"Alright. Get the analysts to look at the data themselves." Hammond ordered.

"I'll have copies to them in five minutes, sir."

"Is that all the news we have?"

"Mostly. There are some bits about Yu and Ba'al, but nothing that looks relevant to our operations for the moment."

"Alright. Dismissed."
 
Huh. I might want to coopt some stuff from you.
Just to be clear, there wasn't concrete comparison numbers in the canon, right? The 5x comparison is yours?
 
Chapter 17
Chapter 17

23 July 2000
2pm mountain time.


Six days later, my small fleet arrived in orbit of Earth. Not Altair, as I'd decided that I needed to handle something first. My searching of Earth had been going quite well, and I had found a few of the things I was looking for. I still hadn't found some of the things, including something that would probably be happening soon. That was making me nervous.

I had, on the trip over, built myself some personal weapons. Zats, plasma weapons, railguns, pistol, assault rifle, submachine gun, grenades, chemically-propelled weaponry just in case. I'd had to fabricate a Research Core in the hanger of the Stormfront in order to do the designs, but that wasn't really a hassle.

We'd also gotten the Altairian tech base captured. Nothing too interesting, except forcefield walls and some AI research. They also had spacesuits. Fairly unremarkable, but something useful if I planned to have humans around. Some cute little weaponry and body armor as well, and medical technology that was only better in terms of brain knowledge. They also had power transfer technology, but it was so far below my own that I didn't even bother.

I wasn't doing just that, either. Once the Altairian tech base was captured, I tried to have the research network take a look at the Stargate design, only to find that I couldn't. Turns out the Research Network can't handle assigning two core to the same task if they're more than 532.5 AU apart, because of network lag meaning syncing is too time-consuming. I could try writing some scripts to fix it, but there was a simpler way to handle this new limit. It'd have to wait until I was done throwing down all the fleets, but it would work.

Meanwhile, Lindy had looked over the list of units in the default package, started complaining about her engineering sensibilities, and then went and redid our unit base. First, she'd compiled every weapon and chassis combination together. Flak turrets on a Leviathan? A flamer on the Drifter? We had those. Regardless of what type of situation we found ourselves in, we had a full set of tools to handle the situation.

Then, she'd redid the factory interfaces to handle the sheer number of units we had now. She'd tagged them with the type of units and situations we'd be using them in. And she'd set the lists up to filter out units we couldn't make yet, which wasn't a problem in an established system, but when we were just building up it would would be a difference of microseconds, which could be important if we were running up against an enemy that could also von Neuman on the same scale we could. It would also be useful if we didn't have access to a Research Core.

Of course, we'd also been checking over the systems that were getting assimilated. Since it would take a month for us to check the "Yoink Stargate" protocol regardless, that was one possible bug. But it'd been fairly smooth sailing with the rest of the protocols. There'd been a few random fires, but no one had died, even with the dozen inhabited systems we'd already run across. Probably after another week we'd let our fleets go nuts and go after everything.

But soon enough, it was time to reclaim the blackened, dented sheet of Progenitor solid armor that was sitting on the deck of my Stormfront. Fun with weapons and designs time is over, time to SG team. By myself. No one to crack jokes with. Dang it.

One of the things I had found on Earth was Merlin's cave in Glastonbury Tor. I had a Progenitor-grade avatar, the location of the thing, a ring transporter platform, and access to Dr. Jackson's Reading Ancient for Dummies. Okay, he didn't call it that, probably. More likely he called it his cheat sheet or something.

Time to get started. I fully linked to my new avatar, dressed in my camo outfit with my railgun SMG, and activated the ring transporter. Rings float up, flash of light, and I'm down in the cave. It looks far more like… it doesn't look like it did in the TV show. The floor is polished black stone, the walls and ceiling polished grey. Bronze panels run down columns built into the curving wall. Ancient writing runs in circles around a cylindrical plinth in the center of the room, which has a sword stuck into it. It looks very Lantean. Or rather, it looks a lot like the sets in the Atlantis TV show.

I walked over to the sword and yanked it out. Unlike the sword they used in the show, which was an unremarkable broadsword (or whatever category of sword it was) this sword is very Lantean in design. A long bronze tube for a hilt, with slots cut in it to show the glowing crystal beneath. The crossguard is a silver hexagonal plate, bulky and chamfered on the edges. The blade doesn't look like anything like any human sword used, with the blade broader than my hand and the tip not smooth at all, but made with hard angles. The side of the blade is flat, and slits have been cut in the surface to show the crystal underneath, the same as in the hilt. After looking it over, I save the design to a folder. If I ever have to wield another blade, I want it to look like this.

I held it one-handed, and walked towards the only door. Actually, I should probably read the Ancient writing on the floor. Speaking of other differences between the show and reality, Ancient letters aren't blocky. They're all flowing lines that would have to be blurred to look like the symbols shown in the TV show. After translating, I don't find anything too important on the floor of the main room, so I pass through the door. Interestingly, I can fit all 205 cm of myself and my horn of hair through the door. Were the Ancients taller than modern humans?

The door goes into a corridor with a bunch of doors on either side, with the wall-fused columns between each one. (I'm sure there's a term architects use for that.) There are a dozen or so of them, and only one is open. Hmmm. Looks like the system noticed my arrival and only opened one of them.

I step inside. There's another plinth in the middle of this room, and no columns or writing on the floor. The door closes behind me as I look at the plinth.

It's covered by a glassy surface, showing Ancient writing. One large paragraph, and several words beneath it. I look at Reading Ancient for Dummies, and try to translate it.

<A city/fortress/state great/mighty/awesome is under threat/attack/siege. It has a shield powerful/invincible/impenetrable surrounding it. It within there is food/sustenance sufficient of years ten. It within there is energy/capability sufficient of years uncounted. The city rests above a cliff. The cliff reinforced enough of years ten…

...and attempts of drains/exhaust/runoff travel/climbing were met only with shield/wall. Nevertheless attacker will/might/thought could/would city/fortress/state capture.>

There's a lot of text here, describing how the city cannot be attacked. And it ends saying the city can fall whenever the attacker wants it to. The answers at the bottom are: <Plague/sickness, asteroid/meteor, drill/underground, river/stream, rust/corrosion, storm/rain/clouds, night/darkness/end, falling/mass.>

Which makes no sense. Like, even if they could get through the shield, the defenders have walls wide enough to race on, if my translation is right.

And then I notice my horn bending. The ceiling's already falling, and I haven't even selected an answer. Hey, you know what would be great? If I could accelerate time like Uber said Commanders could do in their writings. First the instant research, now this.
 
532.5AU is only about 0.0084Ly so not that great a distance when your already in multiple star systems.
Any improvement (especially considering how bullshit Commanders are to begin with) is a good improvement.

Because sooner or later, those 1% or 0.3, or whatever % increases, start adding up into some serious numbers.
 
I feel like this is one of those situations where something is meant to confuse the character, and the reader/viewer is yelling at them the obvious answer.

"Fall", hah!

Though, to be fair, I think most ancients/lanterns would be stumped by this riddle, the arrogant jerks.
 
I feel like this is one of those situations where something is meant to confuse the character, and the reader/viewer is yelling at them the obvious answer.

"Fall", hah!

Though, to be fair, I think most ancients/lanterns would be stumped by this riddle, the arrogant jerks.
The character came to the correct answer faster than me, the beta, so I think you might be underthinking this one.
 
So, sphere made of research cores with a 532.5AU diameter when?
This is the correct mindset for a Commander. :D Have you considered writing your own Commander fic?

Though there's a slight problem with that idea. Fortunately Rachel will have figured that out quickly enough.

I feel like this is one of those situations where something is meant to confuse the character, and the reader/viewer is yelling at them the obvious answer.
Wait, you think you have the answer?
 
I started one that never got a full chapter written onto my hdd, I have problems sticking to my ideas long enough to put them out most of the time.

I'll give you the advice that, funny enough, Itmauve gave me. Make a spreadsheet to keep track of all your decisions. And my own advice I'll add in? Introduce some element of random-ness, to keep things fresh for both you and the readers. If you don't know what comes next, you might be almost as eager to write as the readers are to read. I personally use a RNG to assist in making plot points as I think of them. I know that others also use dice rolls to determine worlds when they are world-jumping. Not sure if they do more than that.
 
Chapter 18
Chapter 18

RIght, I haven't even tried an answer and I'm already getting smushed. Well, what could it be? Well I'm supposed to select the way the city falls. <Plague?> Well the city is described as being wealthy and clean, so unlikely. On the other hand, the Ancients did have a plague that kicked them out of the Milky Way. I move on. <Meteor?> Well the shield is really strong and it's "capture," which suggests the city is intact. <Drill?> No, the shield protects the drains, so presumably the shield is a full bubble. <River?> When was this mentioned in the problem? Nope. <Rust?> Ancient stuff doesn't rust. <Clouds?> If the city uses solar panels, maybe? <End?> Doesn't make sense, if it's the end of the universe or the end of the city. <Falling?> Wait, is this gravity? A black hole attack?

At this point, I'm crouching over, leaning on the plinth. Fuck fuck fuck think you idiot. Alright, maybe that's what the energy is uncountable thing meant, solar power? Not a closed system, so infinite energy?

Wait - the drains. It's in steady-state, meaning that inputs equal outputs. <River> Water has to be entering the city to replace whatever's being lost through the drains.

The plinth chimes, pulses with light for a moment, and then the ceiling starts rising. Much faster than it fell. I stretch my arms up, not even close to the ceiling. Yeah, Ancients were probably pretty tall. The door had opened by this point, so I went back into the hallway.

That puzzle what a lot harder than the ones in the show. You didn't just need to be able to translate Ancient, you also had to be able to understand the result and comprehend a fairly abstract problem. I guess Merlin was actually a bit more selective than the show let on.

When I returned to the first room, a holographic image formed into existence. The Black Knight, I can handle this. Except the image that formed wasn't of the nice friendly Black Knight that the show had. An obsidian set of armor, towering above me, lit with glowing red crystals. In its hands was a copy of the sword in my hand, except being made out of black glass and with glowing red crystals instead of blue.

Today is just not my day. I managed to think as the Obsidian Knight swung at me.

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Rasha
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Rasha sighed, grunted, and hauled another beam of wood over to the stone platform. Their new god was being oddly generous. And strange. For starters, there was her insistence that she not be referred to as a god. Also her clumsiness and lack of tact. Her clothes were well-made and fit her well, but they were hardly gaudy.

Rachel's strange generosity was unusual. She'd given them the resources to build a new village, and she'd provided a walled location to do it. She'd given them enough for everyone, not just for their own village. Apparently she hadn't realized that Rasha's estimate was for all the people, not just one village. And she'd taken them to the new village by building a Stargate out of thin air. Out of thin air.

Rachel, regardless of what she said, was clearly more of a god than either Kronos or Hades. She had managed to black out the sky and destroy Hades before she had even fully woken from her first shout.

That was more power than appeared in the wildest of legends about the gods, before they left the world. Some had apparently been able to bring back the dead, or were invincible. But Rachel had shook the world with her voice, and then lit it on fire.

And then she'd described it as a failure. Rachel was very confusing to Rasha.

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Lindy
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Lindy continued to monitor the planet of Nasya. Most of it was fairly uninteresting. The only points of notable interest were the 15 new villages that were being built at the sites located by <Mom>.

<Mom> had insisted that they should avoid helping the Nasyans to the point where it hurt them. Lindy did not understand how that could happen, as the Nasyans were likely to suffer minor amounts of exposure to cold weather overnight, given the weather predictions. Currently, they were breaking up the wood into pieces too small to be useful for building.

"Mom, what are the villagers doing?" She asked, attaching the relevant sensor data. Then she waited 30 seconds for the response.

"I'm a bit busy here!" Came the shouted response, tinged with panic and frustration. Well, that was no help at all. Well, she would continue to observe. The villagers continued to break down the wood, some into even smaller pieces. Interesting.

She looked at <Mom's> sensor data, to see what was happening. It seemed she was vastly underutilizing her assets. Since teleportation to the area was possible, transportation of a warhead to the combat site would eliminate the hostile.

She pinged <Mom> to inform her of the overlooked option.

32 seconds later she got a response. "Lindy no."
 
Lindy seems like a SBer/SVer.
This can only end in glorious destruction of a massive scale, I can't wait!


Anyway, nice chapter @Itmauve!
 
ok, I'll admit, the water thing wasn't what I was thinking. I had the thought that if you took out the cliff the city was on, the city would literally "Fall". And since it wasn't stated to be a city ship, and thus have a way to keep itself upright, it might have worked.
 
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