Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Well, given that The Yozi Formerly Known As TED is present...
Welp. Packs up bags and moves to Mars-Alph. It`s not enough to mearly leave earth!
The one thing that first struck me was Adorjan threatening to permakill CWoS and turning him into a Neverborn. Neither the primordials nor Green Sun Princess possess the ability to permanently kill those possessing primordial-level immortality, so thats an utter impossibility. To quote the infernal book: "Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.".
Adorjan didn't threaten the dragon with killing him by himself, just that others would do it.
The GSP can invent new charms for the Yozi and it is not out of the question to invent a GET equivalent upgrade.
The one thing that first struck me was Adorjan threatening to permakill CWoS and turning him into a Neverborn. Neither the Primordials nor Green Sun Princess possess the ability to permanently kill those possessing primordial-level immortality, so that's an utter impossibility. To quote the infernal book: "Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.".
The GSP can invent new charms for the Yozi and it is not out of the question to invent a GET equivalent upgrade.
Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 6; Type: Permanent
Keywords: Heretical
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Triumphant Howl of the Devil Tiger
The Devil-Tiger has proclaimed his legend for all to hear. The Primordials of old are lesser; weaker than he. They are the worthless vestiges of a failed prototype species whose sole purpose was the manufacturing of a new, perfect form of life. As that perfect being, all others are unnecessary beneath your gaze. They are not fit to live in this world - in your world.
Spirits slain by the Infernal do not disperse and reform. They merely lay as a carcass at the Infernal's feet. They cannot speak nor take actions, though they can see and hear. As a miscellaneous action, the Infernal may gesture over the corpse, and give mercy to the fallen, allowing the spirit to reform as it normally would - although they gain an intimacy of fear towards the Infernal as they know all too well what might have happened.
Alternatively, and more likely, the Infernal may feast upon the spirit-flesh of the creature, killing it utterly, and robbing it of its ability to return to life while also restoring (Infernal's Essence x 2) of the Infernal's motes. Spirits so killed become intertwined with the Devil-Tiger's legend; not an important passage by any means, but rather a footnote proclaiming his savage glory, and the assertion of his dominance over so pitiful a being. Those that view the Infernal with Essence Sight see, trailing behind him, a list of his victims, their last words, and the demises they suffered.
A second purchase allows the Infernal to attain even further sustenance from his spiritual meals. When he devours a spirit carcass, he may roll his (Essence + Willpower), gleaning one piece of useful information per success rolled that the spirit would have known in the form of memories and experiences integrated into the Infernal's own mind and soul. The Infernal may choose specific memories he would like to go for (such as "The happiest moment in the spirit's life."), or simply general guidelines ("Stuff involving martial arts."). If no guidelines are given, then particularly vivid memories involving the spirit's intimacies appear first and foremost.
If the Devil-Tiger integrates at least (Spirit's Essence) memories into himself, then the essential network of the universe becomes confused, mistaking the subsumed lines in the Infernal's legend for the spirit in question. When an effect would discern the specific identity of an individual, the Infernal may choose to be considered one such integrated spirit (though he does not stop being considered himself).
For example, a manse designed to read the Essence signature of "Nara-O" and open only for them, would recognize the Infernal as Nara-O after they have feasted on that spirit. A binding spiritual oath to "Serve Ahlat" would be just as binding to an Infernal that has integrated Ahlat with himself.
The Infernal can always choose to just not be considered a particular spirit if he does not wish to be.
Titanic Resorption Imposition
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 6; Type: Permanent
Keywords: Heretical
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: The Flame of the Rising Phoenix, Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs (x2)
The perfection that is the Devil-Tiger was birthed from the union of two Primordials. Low and pathetic as they are, they served a valuable purpose, providing the building blocks to something greater. Still, that does not afford them mercy - just as a feeble twin is devoured in the womb to feed the stronger child in his preparation for life, so too is it the place of the fallen titans to be food for the Tiger.
When the Infernal devours the carcass of a Primordial's fetich or jouten via Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs, for which he utilized a charm of as a prerequisite for Triumphant Howl of the Devil-Tiger, he consumes so much more than a fleeting name. As the vast motonic substrata of the Primordial explodes and swirls around the Infernal, formless in the purest expression of itself, it is denied both a reconstitution into a new form, and the eternal nightmare of the Neverborn. Instead, it is consumed wholesale by the Heretical Exaltation.
Firstly, the Infernal's mind, soul, and very being are warped and twisted by the influx of power. They attain the full knowledge of the consumed Primordial's likely eon-spanning memory as it mixes with their own. Their Excellency, Devil-Tiger Charm Set, Caste, physical appearance, and personality incorporate at least one aspect of the fallen titan if they did not sufficiently already. The tale of the Primordial is overlaid with the Devil-Tiger, and though the Infernal likely appears as a mere man, the universe has trouble distinguishing the two in the same way as spirits that have been integrated perfectly with the second purchase of "Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs".
Were a fellow Yozi to lay eyes upon a Devil-Tiger that has consumed Malfeas, for instance, they would not only see the Infernal, but their king as well - and not just their bleeding, wretched, shattered king, but a new king; an ascended, glorious being all wrath and wonder and worship. Oaths made to that king would still bind, should the Tiger choose it.
Secondly, the Devil-Tiger loses all charms that he knew from the consumed Primordial's charm tree, converting them into experience which he may only use to purchase charms from his own unique charm tree - preferably charms that incorporate aspects and themes from the Primordial in question. If that Primordial was Favored for him, it loses that distinction, and a new Favored Primordial may be reflexively chosen at a later date.
Ruinous Soul Bibliography
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 6; Type: Permanent
Keywords: Heretical
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs (x2), Spirit of the Living World
While the final, perfect product of the Devil Tiger is undeniably existent for all the world to see, as one unified work of magnificence, it may amuse him to look back upon the words and volumes that compose the whole.
Upon taking this charm, a Memetic Simulacrum appears in the Infernal's inner world; one for each spirit he has consumed with Tiger Devours Impotent Cubs. It has no statistics, nor charms - it is a mere consciousness, with an illusory body appearing identical to the one which they had in life, composed of what information the Devil Tiger knew about them, as well as what memories of their own that he integrated with himself. So, too, does there exist a memory-construct of the Infernal's mortal self, prior to their Second Breath - the foundation of what would come.
The constructs may be spoken to, and will respond in kind, as closely as they are able, given the information contained within them. It is possible that such beings retain the solipsistic string of consciousness that inhabited their old form, as if their journey from the outside world into the Infernal's stomach were a nightly slumber from which they emerged with incomplete memories. It is, however, unlikely.
If the Infernal has consumed a Primordial with Titanic Resorption Imposition, the Primordial so represented also supplies Memetic Simulacra of their Third Circle and Second Circle souls, although it is unlikely that any First Circle souls stick out in their memory vividly enough to count. Because the catalog of their memory is so perfect, these Simulacra may even tutor beings that can appear in the Infernal's inner world so far as their own Primordial or Spirit charms are concerned. The Infernal has no particular way of controlling the behavior of Memetic Simulacra, so such cooperation is not guaranteed.
I'm neutral on her joining the Wards, but you'd better start letting go of that hope (har) because the PRT are unusually well-developed and that probably isn't going to be thrown away.
A Lot less "not change much" and more along the lines of "Not loose power".Did ED add the feature that as long as one infernal possesses eny Yozi charms fetich death would not change them much. Then he is notorious liar...
Just be glad he's no longer proactive, hasn't met Jack Slash, and better yet, both aren't true at once.....ok I can't help but like this version of the Ebon Dragon. He has class like those old time villains. Sure they will kill you but they are at least nice while doing it.
A Lot less "not change much" and more along the lines of "Not loose power".
The New TED is just as powerful as the old TED but with altered themes, personality etc. Hence less Dick Dastardly and more Affably Evil.
Yes, if only because I had never watched Gravity Falls before googling that name.
*Cough* Messy Divorce *cough*The one thing that first struck me was Adorjan threatening to permakill CWoS and turning him into a Neverborn. Neither the primordials nor Green Sun Princess possess the ability to permanently kill those possessing primordial-level immortality, so thats an utter impossibility. To quote the infernal book: "Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.".
Beyond that, one thing that I do kinda wonder is where everyone is? I mean is Adorjan still trapped in Malfeas, and yet still able to reach Taylor? Though I think she did have some dream charm (or was that ES homebrew?). I do think it should be explained why Adorjan is so interested in Taylor though? I mean she does still have 9 other GSPs, and all of them presumably far more powerfull.
Poor Taylor. You should really be doing your best to make Adorjan hate you while you still have the chance.
Also, where exactly is CWoS and his subsouls? He would arguably be the most powerfull being on the planet. Scion might give him competition, but even thats not really certain.
Taylor will not get any TED charms.What I am unsure about is how that affects GSPs?
I mean lets say the new TEDs charmset no longer has Loom-Snarling Deception (for example). Could Taylor still get it, even if the Yozi who it originates from no longer has it?
Likewise, if new TED has new charms that fit his new personality, like say voyeur-like charms to observe things remotely or thinker charms to learn everything about people the new TED isstalkingobserving (similar to say Tattletale), would GSPs automatically gain access to those, or would the new TED have to open up his charmset anew due to being reset by fetich death?
Do eet.
I figure as she is a Scourge, she shares some connection to Adorjan that allows communication regardless of metaphysical distance (otherwise access to charms would be iffy), this may also allow others if Adorjan feels like sharing. I am undecided whether I'll have Malfeas/Ligier visit at some point give his status as her other Patron.
Of course not. Those Charms don't exist anymore. Nor do Adrian's Charms, or those of The Lidless Eye That Sees, or He Who Bleeds The Unknown Word, or those of any other Primordial who underwent fetich death.
Much as they might wish otherwise, the Yozis can't take back the power they bestow. The use of a Yozi's Charms in no way depends on the cooperation of that being, though fetich death radically transforms and replaces their Charms with more appropriate effects for most wielders. The Principle of Hierarchy has definitively calculated that Green Sun Prince Exaltations would preserve a dead Yozi's Charms intact, warding that titan from suffering final death as a Neverborn or suffering net power loss as a result of fetich death so long as a single Green Sun Prince lives to preserve the seed of her former self. True death into a Neverborn would certainly have catastrophic implications on a slain titan's Charms that the Yozis do not understand or want to discover. Yozis are permanently immune to harm from their own Charms, but they can and do hurt one another. However, Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.
My point was that they might be recorded in the GSP exaltation shards. TED is unique in that he fetich died AFTER the existence of GSPs.
Actually, nevermind. Turns out thats not the case according to the corebook atleast:
Much as they might wish otherwise, the Yozis can't take back the power they bestow. The use of a Yozi's Charms in no way depends on the cooperation of that being, though fetich death radically transforms and replaces their Charms with more appropriate effects for most wielders. The Principle of Hierarchy has definitively calculated that Green Sun Prince Exaltations would preserve a dead Yozi's Charms intact, warding that titan from suffering final death as a Neverborn or suffering net power loss as a result of fetich death so long as a single Green Sun Prince lives to preserve the seed of her former self. True death into a Neverborn would certainly have catastrophic implications on a slain titan's Charms that the Yozis do not understand or want to discover. Yozis are permanently immune to harm from their own Charms, but they can and do hurt one another. However, Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.
This.The one thing that first struck me was Adorjan threatening to permakill CWoS and turning him into a Neverborn. Neither the primordials nor Green Sun Princess possess the ability to permanently kill those possessing primordial-level immortality, so thats an utter impossibility. To quote the infernal book: "Yozi Charms can't kill their own kind past fetich death. Only the Chosen of the gods are so monstrous.".
that just made TED Op because he wouldn't backstab himself. while he isnt proactively evil most of the tine, that changes when he reaches limit break.A Lot less "not change much" and more along the lines of "Not loose power".
The New TED is just as powerful as the old TED but with altered themes, personality etc. Hence less Dick Dastardly and more Affably Evil.
Let us just say in regards to the warning, that things have gotten rather messy / interesting in Creation/Malfeas.I don't think one Yozri borrow anothers like that. Also truthfully, I am kinda hoping that the Yozi won't take over the story like that. HWLM for example should basically be extremely powerfull. As was pointed above, existence of GSP means no power loss. I dunno how many 3rd circles TED had, but lets go to absolute minimum and say 8 (sickly and dying Autochton has 8, so HWLM probably has more than twice that, but lets go with absolute minimum).
Thats still 8 Eidolon level immortal beings. Each also has 7 2nd circles, who are very powerfull beings, so thats 56 highlevel Brute/Trump/Blasters. And each of those is capable of spawning entire species of 1st circles and creating vast armies of anykind of demon they desire. And that is ofcourse ignoring whatever powerfull Jouten form(s) HWLM has. Granted I dunno how this all works, so I guess they could still be trapped in Malfeas or Creation?
However if they are here, then, if none of those subsouls carve kingdoms for themselves, it kinda makes one wonder why not? Even if HWLM overall is basically only interested in watching, he has subsouls who almost certainly arent.
Also, having Adorjan appear constantly could likely make her appearances tiresome (familiary breeds contempt), and if Ligier wants to appear, he should damn well find a way for Taylor to learn 3rd circle sorcery and get properly summoned, rather than somehow "borrow" Adorjans charms.
Ultimately, I kinda worry that if Adorjan and HWLM and even Malfeas/Ligier (somehow!??) get constantly involved too much, Taylor is basically going to end up mostly meaningless, since a total newbie exalt is insignificant in comparison to primordials and 3rd circles. And I would rather read about Taylors adventures (though thats just me.)
One would also think the Yozi would be rather distracted with events happening in Creation (TED did escape, at the very least proving that it IS possible. World is wrecked. UCQ might be dead and a new one might have taken up the job (and not be addicted to crack). The seal of 8 divinities is open and and alchemical exalted are running all over the place. Auto might even be in be awaking. Etc.
I can sorta see Adorjan occasionally paying attention to Taylor, but Malfeas&Ligier should have no business caring about some newbie GSP somewhere, when Creation basically turned upside down very recently.
My point was that they might be recorded in the GSP exaltation shards. TED is unique in that he fetich died AFTER the existence of GSPs.
Actually, nevermind. Turns out thats not the case according to the corebook atleast: