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Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]

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Kefka: (delivers grandiose soliloquy laying out his motives in debate with the protagonists)
Verdict: Go back to Clown College, failure.

Sepiroth: says ".........." while his trenchcoat billows dramatically around him
Verdict: Greatest villain ever, watered crops, centralized authority, and industrialized the nation

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Wade Garrett said:
Kefka: (delivers grandiose soliloquy laying out his motives in debate with the protagonists)
Verdict: Go back to Clown College, failure.

Sepiroth: says ".........." while his trenchcoat billows dramatically around him
Verdict: Greatest villain ever, watered crops, centralized authority, and industrialized the nation

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You may not like it, but Sephiroth body pillows probably did more for the Japanese economy than Kefka ever did.
 
Etranger said:
Witnessing this statement get dropped so casually resulted in me experiencing a full PTSD flashback. There were times and places on the Internet where bringing up this debate could get you stabbed. Great way to experience your own sweeping operatic conflict, complete with extremely loud acting and intractable personal vendettas.
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HOW!?!?, Chrono Trigger is unambiguously superior in every aspect. The apex of the evolutionary line that FF VI came from.
 
Wade Garrett said:
Kefka: (delivers grandiose soliloquy laying out his motives in debate with the protagonists)
Verdict: Go back to Clown College, failure.

Sepiroth: says ".........." while his trenchcoat billows dramatically around him
Verdict: Greatest villain ever, watered crops, centralized authority, and industrialized the nation

:mad:
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"Wacky woohoo nihilism clown man who is just powerful because."

"HATER FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE, high on the entirety of Midgar's copium supply after a Security Mook dunked on him."

Iunno, checks out to me :V
 
The house ! I knew something was missing.

But it's also pointless, since... You know, no actual content except wasting half a million gil for a bed.
 
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It was enjoyable to read your thoughts as you played through FF7, and to hear your closing remarks. I don't have too much to add, other than that it was also entertaining to read your thoughts on FF1-6, since I didn't say it sooner.

I'll be looking forward to it, whether you choose to play FFT or FF8 next.
Etranger said:
Witnessing this statement get dropped so casually resulted in me experiencing a full PTSD flashback. There were times and places on the Internet where bringing up this debate could get you stabbed. Great way to experience your own sweeping operatic conflict, complete with extremely loud acting and intractable personal vendettas.
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It was largely before my time, but I know what you're talking about. And then you sometimes got people who were arguing for FF4 instead.

Though following from the same thread of whether Chrono Trigger is really all that, nowadays, while I still like Chrono Trigger, think it's good and does a lot of interesting things, I can't honestly say I think it's one of the best games ever or something like that. It does manage to be one of the best RPGs on the SNES, though, even if it loses out to Live-A-Live for me personally (which I do think manages to stand up tall still).

Has probably the best soundtrack on the SNES, though.
 
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I've played the beginning couple of hours of FF 6, recently, and watched playthroughs of 12, 15, and 16, but when I was in high school, FF 7 Compilation came out and I knew enough video game nerds to experience a version of the game through osmosis. Reading this playthrough really drove home how much of that osmosis has nothing to do with the actual game.
 
Hey now, it's patently untrue that before Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children we had a drought of FFVII content / closure.


How can Omi possibly forget EHRGEIZ: GOD BLESS THE RING?
 
Omicron said:
Not resolving it. Lucrecia is literally just hanging out in a cave, you find her, she delivers the flashback, and then she disappears without any explanation (did Vincent mercy-kill her off-screen???).
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Spoiler from Dirge of Cerberus (AKA yet another of the FF7 Compilation, and in fact one of the worst shooters of all time): yeah, she's still in there. Yes, Vincent still visits from time to time. Yes, that is incredibly creepy.

Since DoC is FF7 Compilation and not FF7 proper, feel free to skip it. Other people have sacrificed sanity and lifespan to play it, go watch their LPs and save yourself the headache.
The Dark Id said:
In Closing...

Fuck this game. Fuck everyone behind the making of this game. Fuck Tetsuya Nomura. Fuck Square-Enix. Fuck Vincent Valentine. Fuck Final Fantasy VII. Fuck J-RPGs. Fuck Japan. Fuck you for enjoying my suffering. And fuck me for going 'hey, Dirge of Cerberus...there's a good game to LP' nearly 11 months ago.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Drachyench said:
How can Omi possibly forget EHRGEIZ: GOD BLESS THE RING?
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It's really the most important thing connected to FF7 if you want to understand the deep lore. For example, if you've never played Ehrgeiz, you never would have known about that one time that Cloud, Tifa, and Vincent fought with some other guys and beat up some immortal dog or something (I don't clearly remember Ehrgeiz's final boss)
 
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You really can't say you've beaten FFVII until you play Bujingai: The Forsaken City to fully understand the implications of Gackt being in Crisis Core.
 
Although I love the ending because of its 'ambiguity' (and because I'm a pessimist) and pretty much made the decision to ignore any and all sequels, FFVII is to me also the begining of the end of square (before Enix merger).

The extended stink of character merchandising and 'actually, let's go with what the public thinks the character was' was here to stay and my ultra instincts warned me to ignore all sequels of final fantasy games in the same universe. This rule may have steered me wrong in some cases but I avoided a lot of crap with it.

I like ffviii (ffix however, I had a severe case of 'i don't care for these people' and 'why do even the adults look like children?') and all, so I didn't start to hate their games or anything.

It was only until much later that I would break this rule in a non FF square universe. I played 3rd birthday... twice, may the creator forgive me (I liked the gameplay ok? I was hoping for more secret routes or endings). The character assassination. That ending! People that got mad at the ending of FFVII don't know how good they had it.
 
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I will accept all the VI slander if Omi goes on to slander VII like this in his VIII playthrough. :V

Brooding prettyboy nobody a better character than "Run, run, or you'll be well done!" Ridiculous. :p
 
Congratulations!
Assuming you won't play non-numbered spinoffs, nor the MMO - you have flipped the wall!
Omicron said:
I don't agree with people saying he's one of the least important characters in the party, you can't compare him to Mog or Umaro
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Ah, but I'm not comparing him to Mog - I'm comparing him to the rest of FFVII cast, and he's closer to Vincent than to Barret.
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and the Wutai twist where she somehow steals everyone's Materia and has to be chased after across a small continent, effectively becoming a temporary main antagonist, are a highlight of the game
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One of the first things I learned about this game (before Cloud, Aerith or Sephiroth even)? That the ninja girl steal your hard earned swag.
Omicron said:
That's not an old dude. That's just a fuckboi.
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Word on twitter? It's how thirty-so old look when you're mid twenty (so experienced and grizzled), and how they look when you're fifty so (thirty, are they still in diapers in that age).
Alternatively, note that he's missing the cigarette carton in his goggles in the redesign. Pack a day does number on you, y'know?
Omicron said:
In no small part, because Final Fantasy VIII is my first Final Fantasy.
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Is "here's what I remember" post warrented?
 
Omicron said:
Also, some of the criticisms of Sephiroth that have arisen over time are completely off the mark. He's often been derided as an omnicidal nihilist, but he… isn't? He's a megalomaniacal narcissist, which is an entirely different thing!
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Omicron said:
Unfortunately the game gives me nothing to work with. The problem with a brooding character with muted emotions is that he reacts to every plot development with "..." and the game simply doesn't have the high fidelity models to make him emote in a way that would sell those silences as full of meaning.
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You know, I hadn't really considered the throughline from Vincent to Squall, but now you put it that way... (you could claim he's just an extension of Cloud's themes, but all those belts? Clear Vincent energy.)
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And that brings me to Advent Children. Because Advent Children is… bad. We all mostly agree on this, right? It might not be awful (though maybe it is), but it definitely fails to live up to the legacy of FF7.
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My memories are mixed, because I mainly watched it with parody subtitles. So I remember things like the Turks charging while screaming "BUREAUCRACY!!!!" instead of whatever lame stuff actually happened.
 
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Kefka also has a final confrontation worth a damn and more quotable and standout moments than Seph does by leaps and bounds.

That being said, you know my bias already, but Sephiroth's hype doesn't measure up to the character for me while Kefka's absolutely does.
 
Kefka being the Jonker absolutely cannot match up to Sephiroth's perfect petty hater behavior. Omnicidal funny clown is good but the personal nature of Sephiroth's hater behavior is the key aspect of his appeal. He's a fucking loser who spent five years malding his way out of the afterlife because in the middle of his developing god complex he got got by a random dipshit country bumpkin, that's absolutely peak.
 
The real battle between kefka and Sephiroth is which ones drip you can take less seriously. Whichever rubs you the wrong way the least Is going to be your fav.

I'm only half joking.

Anyway my answer remains 9's villain.
 
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The Kefka/Sephiroth debate is naught but a specific abstraction of the FFVI / FFVII debate. It has been repeated often enough that it'll probably live on for future generations of internet archaeologists. It's fun to see it keep reiterating, though.

Because you see, Sephiroth is indeed the superior villain-
 
"Blah blah blah I have an absentee father and a domineering mother BILLIONS MUST BE SLAUGHTERED LIKE ANIMALS" does not become psychological depth just because you bare your chest to say it.
 
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