Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]

hey omi i gather you've had people going through your backlog giving reactions before, so here's another for you
Christ.

What an absolute gut-punch.

I mean, what am I supposed to do here? Attack the little girl with all the power of the dark side? Try to stab her with a spear, but, like, non-lethally? What am I supposed to do? Well, the ATB gauge is counting up! Little girl's turn is coming up! Time to decide! Do I just decide to wait and see what she does with her action? Do I just attack and hope that this is treated as my characters 'peacefully' knocking her out? Do I-

DING DING DING

Too late! The bell is ringing!

And it's time for Final Fantasy to remind us that this is anime, and you don't fucking stand around lollygagging while a child with brightly colored hair descended from a dead village of super-wizards is angry at you!



That is fucking Titan right there.

Yeah, this is an instant kill on both characters.

Or, well, 'kill.'


A gigantic earthen mound erupts from the earth on the overworld, closing the way to Mist, and in the destruction Cecil and Kain were separated.

Well.

This was a lot.
What stands out to me is that is also like - just genuinely really good writing? That is, your early posts about FF4 spent a fair few words on going over things that were in the absolute sense pretty basic, but are worth noting as being the first time the series got to use these literary tools. But this, this part right here, is actually like, not just impactful but also relatively novel, and using the medium of video games to really sell the story?

'Last survivor of a doomed hometown' is obviously a really common heroic trope, and the reasons why the hero survives that incident vary a lot. Sometimes that reason is that the villain's servants couldn't bring themselves to go that final step and commit such a personal act of perfidy, but this is, I think, the first time I've come across a story that's really confronted the audience with that perspective, putting them in the shoes of the goons asked to do something vile, and demonstrating why the characters might have balked long enough for providence (here represented by a twenty foot tall dude with an 8-pack you could grind meat on) to help the heroes out.
 
Maybe I've become overly cynical in my age, but - having tromped past any number of the dead and dying espers, and fighting all manner of experimentation subjects - man oh man does this line come off as less "Cid comes to his senses" and more "Cid starts angling for inclusion in Operation Paperclip."

"Once the espers are drained,
Who cares where they're aimed?
That's not my department!"
Cid gravely explained.
 
On the other hand, it seems like it weirdly absolves him for his own actions by making him not truly responsible, if he's just 'mad' because of what other people did to him.
Consider the following scenario: you are the fascist dictator of an industrial city-state and are planning on conducting human experimentation to bestow phenomenal magical powers on your minion. You have three options of who you use as your test subject.

Do you: A) pick some random citizen off the street; B) pick a random soldier; or C) pick the most fanatically loyal soldier you have?

Kefka was almost certainly already a complicit and eagerly willing war criminal when he was given magic.

In other words, the Emperor didn't make Kefka evil, he just made Kefka worse.
But why did they give him such a funny outfit though.
Bananaman Mengele. I think they were trying to make him sympathetic - unique sprite, Celes' father, expresses regret about the war crimes - but at least in my opinion it doesn't click.

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What does click, though, is the Magitek Research Facility BGM. I love this song, it's so good. Usually when I arrive here I just wait at the front entrance and groove for a few minutes.
 
Yeah, he really is just the Joker. Complete with the same possibly-maybe-sympathetic origin story (though he was already a fighter for the Empire, and thus hardly an innocent, kinda like Jack Nicholson's Joker was already a mobster) but being, in the here and now, an active, willful force of evil that deserves being punched in the face.

I admit my knowledge of comic books is very shallow, being mostly from other pop culture, but "person subjected to supersoldier experimentation that drove him to madness, possibly in a way that just amplified his worst aspects" makes me think less Joker, and more Red Skull.

Oh also 'Rising Phoenix' is a new move Sabin unlocked at lv 15 which deals massive fire damage to the whole enemy party and outdamages anything my party is capable of throwing at multiple encounters. How is Sabin not the strongest character in this game? I've been leveling up his Stamina but that was stupid, I should have been leveling him up for Magic, he's clearly a better fit for it than Celes or Terra.

Sabin is one of the powerhouses of the game (assuming you level his Magic stat, rather than assume he's Strength-based like his sprite suggests), but as you saw he does need to learn some of his better Blitzes. Which does mean you have to level him up, which makes me wince every time you mention being low-level for the area, because I keep thinking "Rising Phoenix would solve so many of your problems, and it's only level 15".


Castrum Abania in FFXIV does have the bosses of this segment, but I find it interesting that while they kept Number 024 (or in FFXIV's case, "Number XXIV") with its barrier change mechanic (and as a Healer I am consistently disappointed by Duty Finder groups not doing that mechanic), they didn't name the last boss "Number 128", but instead gave it the name "Inferno". With "Rahu" and "Ketu" as the names for its left and right claws, although I can't recall which is which.
 
Yeah, Cid just comes across as a manipulative psychopath. 'oh no i didn't realise i was being bad despite torturing hundreds-to-thousands of espers to death and also probably doing the same to orders of magnitude more humans, and also experimenting on my own 'daughter' ' just doesn't play.

Banana Mengele is just as bad as, if not worse than, Kefka.
 
You can tell he's Celes' dad by the moustache. That is a stache that can only be worn by fathers and porn stars and aint no way he's a porn star in that outfit.
Celes: "My dad is not a Communist Fascist. He may be a stooge, a banana, an idiot, a Communist Fascist, but he is not a porn star!"
 
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So, with Setzer in the team, it's time to share the cinematic opening of PS1.

Technically, it suffers from its age (1999, but in the same time, FFVIII was out one month earlier and well...) but it's still watchable.
There are two parts : one about specific moments in the game until now, the other is before the attack on Narshe at the beginning (AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, KEFKA IN 3D -- JOKER STYLE) .

Maybe it's nostalgia, but I am still fond of it. And the second is better, but well, we have to wait until the end to share it...
 
Something that I was just thinking about because of the link, narsche is a _coal_ town and while it has of course historically been used quite often for regular smithing and small level heating, I am wondering if the reason why they thought they would not get attacked is also " Gestahl is our best customer for coal, why would he attack us?"
 
Something that I was just thinking about because of the link, narsche is a _coal_ town and while it has of course historically been used quite often for regular smithing and small level heating, I am wondering if the reason why they thought they would not get attacked is also " Gestahl is our best customer for coal, why would he attack us?"

I can see that being the position of, like, someone who had never heard of the Empire, but, well... 'why would the brutal expansionist empire try to seize a vital strategic asset and also remove some of their operating costs?' is the question of an idiot, TBH.
 
I don't have much to add at this juncture except for an observation on the Empire's theme: The Gestahl Empire

It actually was a YouTube comment that pointed this out but now I can't unhear it. When it does that cry/wail part (I'm sure @FunkyEntropy has a more technical name for it) it kind of sounds like a "please don't sue me Disney" version of the TIE fighter's flyby noise. As if we needed another Star Wars reference in this game. :V
 
I assumed they were going for like, fantasy hazmat suit with Cid's outfit. I do agree that I really don't see his protestations sympathetically, with the benefit of not being like 10 years old anymore.
 
I see Cid's protestations as vaguely sympathetic, but not really.

My interpretation is, he's fine with the torturing Espers and naked imperialism, but draws the line at opposing his adopted daughter, and is changing sides mostly so he doesnt have to be complicit in hurting her, as he cares for her more than for his work (but doesnt want to say that, hence the transparent excuses)

Which, is, yknow, sympathetic, but not sympathetic enough to override all the Mengele
 
I think I'm inclined to read Cid more sympathetically than some of you because when he says "I'm going to have a stern talk with the Emperor and we'll give peace a chance" he seems sincere and that seems like such an obvious lead in to 'and then Cid was executed for sedition five minutes later' that I'm inclined to think he's just, like, kind of an idiot. Like a scientific genius sure but he can't read the room to a possibly fatal degree. So maybe he didn't fully grasp the ethical implications of his work as a result, rather than attempting to turn coat to save his skin.
 
I see Cid's protestations as vaguely sympathetic, but not really.

My interpretation is, he's fine with the torturing Espers and naked imperialism, but draws the line at opposing his adopted daughter, and is changing sides mostly so he doesnt have to be complicit in hurting her, as he cares for her more than for his work (but doesnt want to say that, hence the transparent excuses)

Which, is, yknow, sympathetic, but not sympathetic enough to override all the Mengele
(This is using FF14 characters but you could slot in Celes & FF6Cid with zero change.)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_O1e-tjHOM&ab_channel=creb
I don't have much to add at this juncture except for an observation on the Empire's theme: The Gestahl Empire

It actually was a YouTube comment that pointed this out but now I can't unhear it. When it does that cry/wail part (I'm sure @FunkyEntropy has a more technical name for it) it kind of sounds like a "please don't sue me Disney" version of the TIE fighter's flyby noise. As if we needed another Star Wars reference in this game. :V

Cid: A small Returner force has penetrated the continent and landed at Albrook.
Emperor Gestahl: Yes, I know.
Cid: My daughter is with them.
Emperor Gestahl: Are you sure?
Cid: I have a tracker on her, my master.
Emperor Gestahl: Strange that I did not. I wonder if your loyalties on this matter are clear, Lord Cid.
Cid: They are clear, my master.
 
So maybe he didn't fully grasp the ethical implications of his work as a result, rather than attempting to turn coat to save his skin.
He's been torturing intelligent beings to death for nearly twenty years.

Like, if Espers were animals or something then sure, he could be considered in a von Braun "I just make the rockets, what happens after that isn't my department" light, but they can talk and scream.

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For what it's worth, I'd say that he's not trying to turn coat for himself, but for Celes, which is at least a bit better than trying to claim ignorance of the evils he's complicit in.
 
Surprise! Setzer is actually in our party! And he has a specialty called 'Slots' which, as you can see, is literally a slot machine mechanic.

So, Slots! They're weird!

The thing with them is that the availability of specific combinations is random on each use of Slots. Sometimes there are pictures of the ships in the machine, which, if aligned, would produce a powerful attack, sometimes there aren't.

However, the operation of Slots is not random. You decide when they stop rotating by pressing Z (three separate times for each picture). As such, you can allow slots to roll over for a while, notice a combination you want to get, then time your confirm presses to get it.

In theory, it could be worthwhile. Some slots combos dish out pretty decent damage, and the random factor is mitigated by repitition.

In practice, it's a finnicky ability that's awkward to use and isn't THAT great, especially now that you have Magic. I never bothered with Slots much.

I can see that being the position of, like, someone who had never heard of the Empire, but, well... 'why would the brutal expansionist empire try to seize a vital strategic asset and also remove some of their operating costs?' is the question of an idiot, TBH.

It could make sense if they thought themselves capable of turning the Empire invasion into a proper prolonged siege. The Empire is landlocked and has to rely on its fleet to actually invade anyone. Depending on how much they rely on Narshe's coal to power their steamboats, Narshe ceasing selling to them could put a lot of pressure on their supply lines.

Of course, the issue here is that three soldiers in magitek armor* just sliced through the entire city defense and probably didn't claim the city in the name of the Empire then and there only because the Empire didn't want to bother establishing a proper garrison there at the time, so.

*Yeah, they had Terra as a superweapon, but at the time she was only slightly better than the others. Bio is good, but Fire Beam is enough and still allows you to do war crimes.
 
Two things about slots
1 it has a very low chance of just summoning bahamut it casting mega flare
2 another equally low chance to cast joker's death which just TKs the whole party
 
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On the matter of Cid he could only maintain some sympathy if he saw the Espers as being little more than super magical versions of the various beats and monsters that your typical FF protagonists routinely slaughter their way through in any given game. In that, they were never truly sentient or "human" but basically a version of the Red Dragons (for instance) you can syphon magical power from.

Still pretty awful but not as awful, I guess?

It's pretty flimsy but I guess it depends on how talkative (for lack of a better term) they were by the time they got to Cid, for him to really notice whether or not they were truly sentient beings. They could feel pain, of course, but lots of non-sentient creatures can. Which makes harming them deliberately and without care to minimize said harm beyond what's necessary (as in, say, food production) pretty bad but not quite to the level of human experimentation, I guess?

I don't know, it's the best I can come up with for how/why the game means us to see him as even vaguely sympathetic beyond, "Oh I have seen the error of my ways please forgive me."
 
On the matter of Cid he could only maintain some sympathy if he saw the Espers as being little more than super magical versions of the various beats and monsters that your typical FF protagonists routinely slaughter their way through in any given game. In that, they were never truly sentient or "human" but basically a version of the Red Dragons (for instance) you can syphon magical power from.

Still pretty awful but not as awful, I guess?

It's pretty flimsy but I guess it depends on how talkative (for lack of a better term) they were by the time they got to Cid, for him to really notice whether or not they were truly sentient beings. They could feel pain, of course, but lots of non-sentient creatures can. Which makes harming them deliberately and without care to minimize said harm beyond what's necessary (as in, say, food production) pretty bad but not quite to the level of human experimentation, I guess?

I don't know, it's the best I can come up with for how/why the game means us to see him as even vaguely sympathetic beyond, "Oh I have seen the error of my ways please forgive me."

I mean, Ramuh was a pretty talkative old man. Shiva and Ifrit, while visibly more inhuman, are also humanoid and talk just fine. And, of course, Terra is an elephant in the room here.

It would take some very deliberate ideological unpersoning to see espers as subhuman.

I think the best interpretation of Cid is that he knew what he did was monstrous but genuinely feared for his life thanks to Kefka's threats and is only willing to act now because Kefka is duking it out with one person uniquely suited to stall him forever. It simply makes him a coward rather than some variation of Mengele.
 
I think the best interpretation of Cid is that he knew what he did was monstrous but genuinely feared for his life thanks to Kefka's threats and is only willing to act now because Kefka is duking it out with one person uniquely suited to stall him forever. It simply makes him a coward rather than some variation of Mengele.
The problem with that is that Cid made Kefka. Cid's crimes necessarily predate Kefka's madness.

Admittedly that just changes the threat vector from Kefka to the Emperor, but that doesn't jive with him saying he can talk the Emperor around.

Not to mention how interested he was in the readings he was getting when the Espers killed themselves to become Magicite.

I'm pretty sure that the best he could reasonably be, morally at least, is a "only humans are people" bigot who didn't particularly care what the Emperor did with his research so long as the funding continued, but who also cares about Celes.

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One thing I find amusing about Cid as a recurring character is how the only thing that really remains the same across his versions is that he's a genius. In 4 he's a swarthy engineer, in 5 he's an elderly intellectual, and here in 6 he's Warcrimes Banana. You never really know what you're getting with him.
 
If by 'cares about Celes' you mean 'puts her through the same procedure that made Kefka', then yeah. Hard to square that with any sort of genuine love for someone.
 
If by 'cares about Celes' you mean 'puts her through the same procedure that made Kefka', then yeah. Hard to square that with any sort of genuine love for someone.
Given she presumably got it very young, my guess is he started raising her and grew to love her as his daughter AFTER the procedure
 
I don't think it's implausible that Gestahl could have shielded Cid from the more horrific sides of his experimentation letting him have his head buried in the technology until the Returner's raid. I doubt he loads the capsules himself, after all. And the industrial scale we see in the game wouldn't have been active for the full 20 years, anyway. There's a lot that people will let themselves get away with psychologically when it's developed by inches over time.
 
One thing I find amusing about Cid as a recurring character is how the only thing that really remains the same across his versions is that he's a genius. In 4 he's a swarthy engineer, in 5 he's an elderly intellectual, and here in 6 he's Warcrimes Banana. You never really know what you're getting with him.
How would you qualify 2 and 3? I feel like they're all very different as well, although I think it must be said that I think FFVI is the fist Cid to not be an unambiguously good guy, isn't he?
 
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