Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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The fact that Mustadio and Agrias are now locked in limbo and Ramza is treated as on his own is even more noticeable for me since I've actually been replaying Tactics Ogre recently, which FFT is a spiritual successor to.
There's a good few of the uniques you get that stick around in in-game cutscenes and keep engaging with the protagonist Denam even after they join, which does a lot for characterising him and just making sure that half his dialogue isn't just monologuing to himself.
Shoutout to my boy Canopus, who joins almost immediately at the start of the game and sticks around and has scenes all the way to the epilogue, even though he could technically die at any time.
There's a good few of the uniques you get that stick around in in-game cutscenes and keep engaging with the protagonist Denam even after they join, which does a lot for characterising him and just making sure that half his dialogue isn't just monologuing to himself.
Shoutout to my boy Canopus, who joins almost immediately at the start of the game and sticks around and has scenes all the way to the epilogue, even though he could technically die at any time.
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MiskWisk
Hoot
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Clearly this is a hint that FFT is set in a post Meteor FF7 in the far future.
Ramza: *Clears thoat* *lick lips* "WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOR!"
Party: *polite golf clap*
Orran: "What a delightful fellow."
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How cute, Ramza thinks he is a real knight now
I am sorry, but swinging your sword so hard that it breaks while screaming isn't really a sword art.
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Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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If you check his sheet, you'll see that's because of him wielding the Ice Brand, which I believe isn't yet available in shops, and has WP 13. (Which can even be further increased if you're wearing an Ice-boosting item, such as the Black Robe). You might want to give that sword to Agrias, it'll definitely do wonders for her Swordskill damage.
Understandable, not many people are - it's really not a very reliable ability unless you can get enemies bunched up together.
And since we're talking about it, I want to bring up LFT again - in its effort to make every class and character worthwhile, LFT modified Rapha's ability by making it ignore allies; this makes it a lot more tactical, since you can then use her powers on a surrounded enemy and it'll have a reduced AoE, making it highly lethal with proper in-battle positioning. I haven't brought up LFT for a while because most of the changes outside of Squire and Archer being made playable are relatively minor; as I said when I suggested the mod., most of what it does is fine-tuning things, and the changes in gameplay are mainly the result of more options being viable than anything else.
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The longer the story goes on it only gets more and more clear that allowing joined characters to die was just shooting its own storytelling in the foot. Mustadio, in all honesty, I could take or leave, I don't know how much relevance he could have to the story right now beyond being Ramza's ride-or-die friend (but I mean, we could also hand that to Hadrian or Gillian here).
Agrias though? Fuck me, she should have so much to say about all of this shit, seeing the princess she was sworn to protect taken, the realm she serves plunged into war, the growing conspiracies that would threaten her charge even if peace broke out. My girl should be center stage here! She should be having a whole parallel character arc alongside Ramza!
But it's fine, I guess. She's just doomed to eternal limbo now, it's fine.
You can put the NPC into the player's party, but you can never take the NPC out of the character I suppose.
It's fine Omi, Ramza has his own cool and special class just sitting there, waiting, taunting. All it requires is a truly silly amount of grinding to unlock and it could all be yours!
But I suppose squire is more narratively fitting, so it's fine and cool just keeping him as a generic class right? It serves the story and all that, best put Delita and his kickass class out of your mind.
Agrias though? Fuck me, she should have so much to say about all of this shit, seeing the princess she was sworn to protect taken, the realm she serves plunged into war, the growing conspiracies that would threaten her charge even if peace broke out. My girl should be center stage here! She should be having a whole parallel character arc alongside Ramza!
But it's fine, I guess. She's just doomed to eternal limbo now, it's fine.
You can put the NPC into the player's party, but you can never take the NPC out of the character I suppose.
It's fine Omi, Ramza has his own cool and special class just sitting there, waiting, taunting. All it requires is a truly silly amount of grinding to unlock and it could all be yours!
But I suppose squire is more narratively fitting, so it's fine and cool just keeping him as a generic class right? It serves the story and all that, best put Delita and his kickass class out of your mind.
Thozmp
Gets my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.
Holy: "Bright light, shine down on bloody impurity! Holy!"
Adamantine Blade/Diamond Sword: "Clear with a mighty breeze! Diamond Sword!"
Hallowed Bolt/Lightning Stab: "Absorb power in the sky and strike! Lightning Stab!"
Bloody impurity, indeed. Also, we've finished off the Holy Knight's abilities, hurray!
I didn't expect that direction for their dynamic. This feels sudden even if it's for manipulation.
I played A2 a ton and I couldn't say anything either. I guess we could grant him the character trait of forgettable.
Skill Issue. The game is clearly expecting you to suck and get all your allies killed
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Skill Issue. The game is clearly expecting you to suck and get all your allies killed
Orran: "Never think yourself without allies! You *do* have friends - friends who would gladly lay down their lives fighting beside you!"
Ramza: "All my friends are already dead :c"
Orran: "... consider me your friendly acquaintance!"
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Orran: Sorry I can't join your gang yet, the plot needs me to write down how we are BFFs and people who spend more then three missions with you turn into robots
Agrias: Beep boop
Agrias: Beep boop
Long live Delita the Based!
OK, but actually his ideals are interesting. Like, he's embittered by the treatment of commoners by nobles, he's watched his sister die at the hand of most classist man alive, which led to him abandoning his servitude to a noble house to strike on his own... Which resulted in him joining a shady conspiracy and plotting the destruction of a kingdom to establish a new one with Ovelia (and possibly himself as her husband) as the ruler.
I think our boy has bought into the myth of the Good King. If only the right person were in charge, enjoying the absolute power and not constrained and deceived by those damn nobles, everything would be great. You do need a king, though. You do need a single hand to guide the nation. People can't be trusted to govern themselves, that would just result in perpetuating the cycle of players and pawns, but he can. He knows what's best for everyone. He's going to reach that castle in the sky, and if he has to build a mountain of corpses to climb there, well, people die either way. Now he just gets to choose which ones.
Another point towards FFT being a distant sequel to FFVII. Texas is definitely real, and Mustadio is going to revive it. Already the use of guns spreads across the nation.
OK, but consider: now that Luso has joined as a permanent party member, he can also permanently die, potentially creating a time paradox and collapsing the entire continuity.
Do it.
Arazlam: When my ancestor has met Ramza, he, of course, already knew about his status as a heretic, but he was wise enough not to believe Church's vile lies and immediately promised Ramza full support.
And yet I do not see any sword skills on Ramza. How could you call yourself a knight without them?
Now, Delita, Commander of the Blackrams? There's a man.
Consider that the Grand Duke himself has massacred an entire village to get access to this ability. Are you truly smarter than the Grand Duke, Squire?
Interesting that arms and magic are mentioned in one breath. There is a tendency among si-fi/fantasy fans to look at technology and magick as opposed forces, but clearly that's not the case in Ivalice. Both can feed the war machine.
Gaffgarion probably knew, as an old experienced mercenary who's probably worked for the Grand Duke time or again.
Did this motherfucker seriously named his sword Save the Queen? You must steal it.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
This latest Delita scene seems the least impactful yet, but I guess I don't MIND him styling on some ninjas.
Luso's "We have Ramza at home" energy bores me, and I'm not the only one. Every mod has their own idea of what to do with him; 2.5 gives him some Mustadio-like Shot moves that blind and poison.
Luso's "We have Ramza at home" energy bores me, and I'm not the only one. Every mod has their own idea of what to do with him; 2.5 gives him some Mustadio-like Shot moves that blind and poison.
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Huh, Delita direction is interesting. I wonder how much he knows about everything, and how he came to possess all that knowledge in the time since he split away from Ramza. With the Grand duke's little assassin ninja's there's a pretty common theme about how skillfull commoners can be, if not for the system that ensures they'll only ever be servants, huh.
Curious how much of Delita's feelings are true, and how much is just manipulation. Problem with a character like Delita is that you can never be quite sure.
This just gives me the funny image of like , Ramza's group collectiing every single know mythical item in the region, and just having no clue what any of it is.
Templar: Okay, so that Ramza guy with the auracite is coming soon, in fact i can see him there.
Templar 2: Let me look through the telescope, okay i can see the auracite, the legendary blade of the chosen king...? The black materia of destruction...The famous axe that rends the earth, and- By the Father, is that the finger of the Saint himself
Curious how much of Delita's feelings are true, and how much is just manipulation. Problem with a character like Delita is that you can never be quite sure.
This just gives me the funny image of like , Ramza's group collectiing every single know mythical item in the region, and just having no clue what any of it is.
Templar: Okay, so that Ramza guy with the auracite is coming soon, in fact i can see him there.
Templar 2: Let me look through the telescope, okay i can see the auracite, the legendary blade of the chosen king...? The black materia of destruction...The famous axe that rends the earth, and- By the Father, is that the finger of the Saint himself
daniel_gudman
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Delita gonna use the Red Auracite to join the Apostles and rename Ivalice to "Falconia"
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Just went and checked. I guess The Eclipse was published in the summer of '96
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Just went and checked. I guess The Eclipse was published in the summer of '96
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Delita: "We will strike down the nobles and raise an enlightened, class-less system in their place!"
Delita, /watches Ovelia look wistfully into the distance, golden hair blowing in the wind.
Delita, /hastily: "Led by Good Queen Ovelia, whose inherent kindness and goodness will guard the people well."
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One of the reasons why FFT (and Ivalice in general) works when wholesale added to Final Fantasy XIV (the award winning MMO with an expanded free trial where you can play up to the award winning Stormblood expansion for free with no restrictions on playtime) is that FFT already has built it's entire deep backstory (Calamity forward) out of references to earlier FF games. It's actually a fascinating first run that 14 would run with.
Also shoutout to the random-ass cleric you rescued from the undead in the first chapter, who, in, IIRC, second chapter (so quite a few fights after) delivers a full sermon to the archer lady hunting you down (you have committed/were framed for a massacre at the time) because they happened to know each other.
It's clearly possible to have uniques have dialogue even with permadeath.
Though, if you watch closely, it's also pretty obvious that the dialogue is always arranged in such a way that you could exclude uniques' replies without damaging the flow of the scene, which does increase the writing difficulty and creates certain constrains.
For example, this insult?
Wouldn't be possible if uniques were allowed to participate in the narrative because, of course, unlike Ramza, Agrias is a full-fledged knight with years of service under her belt, and that's something writers would have to consider.
Ramia, surely.
Honestly, you can't even hate on the level and dedication to theater and showmanship it takes to develop an exploding frog spell and then use it as a messenger familiar instead of in your actual day job of assassin where the idea that any small animal could actually instead be a guided explosive is borderline unfair to any potential target.
I'm not sure if Delita is intended to be sincere here or not, but to me it looks a lot like manipulation. Crush her self esteem and isolate her before making a move. Seems like something straight out of a pick-up artists playbook.
Similarly, is Ovelia a fake princess? Or is that just a lie to make her easier to manipulate. The source for that information wasn't particularly what I'd call trustworthy.
Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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Remember, Simon mentioned that, when Ovelia was given to the monastery, the Virgo stone was presented with her as proof of her being truly part of the royal family. I imagine the Virgo stone is supposed to be a royal treasure like Imperial Japan had, and clearly the templars had no idea the Virgo stone was at the monastery at the start of the game, else Delita would have been charged with retrieving that alongside with the princess. This suggests that they might know less about the truth of the matter than they like to pretend.
On the other hand, if Ovelia really is common born, well, that would just make her more attractive to Delita, wouldn't it? Two commoners ruling over the aristocracy together with no one else the wiser has got to be some sort of turn on for somebody like him.
On the other hand, if Ovelia really is common born, well, that would just make her more attractive to Delita, wouldn't it? Two commoners ruling over the aristocracy together with no one else the wiser has got to be some sort of turn on for somebody like him.
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