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Wiegraf, before fighting Ramza for the third time: 'I know he's good, but is he lucky?'
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
- Thread starter Omicron
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- Let's Play
Wiegraf, before fighting Ramza for the third time: 'I know he's good, but is he lucky?'
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- Malaysia
There was an assassin scene tho. Not ninjas I think. Because I distinctly remember saying 'Delita definitely orchestrated this attack.' because it's way too convenient to have random assassins attacked Ovelia and have him save the day and be her personal hero. Even a kid can see through that.
Not ninjas though, I definitely don't remember ninjas. Probably Squire or Thief.
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- USA
No, in the PS1 game, it goes from Ramza and Rafa's conversation to the next battle with only the usual town/shop menus. The only scene in Chapter 3 with Delita and Ovelia is the earlier one in which he promises to create a new queendom for her. And no assassins were appeared.
Muramasa
Best Girl
As someone else has already said.
Welcome to Riovanes Omi.
Enjoy your complementary Wiegraf sized rake. On the house.
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I find it interesting how in the original playstation there wasn't really 'Story Only' battles. Sure, there were battles that could be hard-carried by your guest party members, but you could rush forward and die, or pull your own weight. While they clearly had more difficult and less difficult battles at times, no battle was set up to be an auto-win. And while there are 'you beat the level but strategically lost because of reasons' battles, there's likewise no forced losses where you're supposed to get to 0 HP.
While the PSP remake has added in two at this point. I think it's an interesting perspective on how the games were designed, because the battles in FFT are heavily hugely integrated into the plot, the plot won't make much sense if you cut them out. It's not like FF8 where the battle system people and the story people never talked to each other.
But it's pretty clear that FFT puts the battles first, and the plot is taken seriously, but put secondary to interesting tactical battles.
While the PSP remake has added in two at this point. I think it's an interesting perspective on how the games were designed, because the battles in FFT are heavily hugely integrated into the plot, the plot won't make much sense if you cut them out. It's not like FF8 where the battle system people and the story people never talked to each other.
But it's pretty clear that FFT puts the battles first, and the plot is taken seriously, but put secondary to interesting tactical battles.
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I really liked the first gauntlet of the Riovanes battle, the different terrains with the moat and the gatefront made the battle more interesting.
Second and third gauntlet sucked.
Edit: now that we have had multiple castle raids, I find that battles in settlements (castles, towns, ruins) are far more interesting terrain-wise. Sloped angles, surprise moats, big ass gate switches as second objective. The human enemies helped too I guess.
It sucked when you are fighting on thcliffside and the monster enemy is a bird and a one-eyed bat-like creature who can bypass those height differences by flying.
Second and third gauntlet sucked.
Edit: now that we have had multiple castle raids, I find that battles in settlements (castles, towns, ruins) are far more interesting terrain-wise. Sloped angles, surprise moats, big ass gate switches as second objective. The human enemies helped too I guess.
It sucked when you are fighting on thcliffside and the monster enemy is a bird and a one-eyed bat-like creature who can bypass those height differences by flying.
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So, apart from anything else, this playthrough made me decide to try out FFT for myself.
I get control for the first time and, me being me, immediately start pushing every button I can except the one that would make Ramza do anything. So I found out how to pull up the turn order, check enemy statuses, select tiles, find the unit list, that sort of thing.
Also, before I had access to any of this, Gaffgarion took a turn and damn near obliterated an enemy mook, an Archer, with Fell Blade.
That Archer's name is Biggs.
I have no idea if it is a randomly assigned name or not but it feels intentional
I get control for the first time and, me being me, immediately start pushing every button I can except the one that would make Ramza do anything. So I found out how to pull up the turn order, check enemy statuses, select tiles, find the unit list, that sort of thing.
Also, before I had access to any of this, Gaffgarion took a turn and damn near obliterated an enemy mook, an Archer, with Fell Blade.
That Archer's name is Biggs.
I have no idea if it is a randomly assigned name or not but it feels intentional
That Archer's name is Biggs.
I have no idea if it is a randomly assigned name or not but it feels intentional
The NPCs that fight always include Biggs the archer. Him getting nuked is random, an early NPC being Biggs and/or Wedge is a FF staple since...6?
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I know it's a FF staple, I just didn't expect to see it literally directly after "Round 1, FIGHT"
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- United States
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I think this is about where I finally quit the game.
Some kinds of bullshit aren't my kinds of bullshit, and I didn't have any extra saves...
Yeah, take heart, Omi, as said, this is the bullshit encounter sequence of the game. Since we are clearly not spoiling anything for you at this point:
On the bright side, to go with your thesis the only thing you need to defeat the first half of the second encounter is Auto-Potion on Ramza, an inventory full of X-potions, and Ramza using his Squire's Tailwind ability until he's getting 3 turns to the enemy's one. It's even more doable here than the Gaff cage match since you should have a more developed build.
Other things can pinch hit for Auto Potion, of course - Lifefont/Move HP, a high move so you can play keep-away as best you can, but the basic, 'could have had this in chapter 1' solution is: a Squire with Auto-potion who runs around screaming a lot.
So, you know, in a way, the thematics still hold. It's just you also have the option to turn Ramza into a Dragoon and orbital strike the problem or work up some other totally busted build. The Superspeed Squire approach does benefit in that that speed doesn't go away for the second half of that fight, though, which is, let us say, highly useful.
On the bright side, to go with your thesis the only thing you need to defeat the first half of the second encounter is Auto-Potion on Ramza, an inventory full of X-potions, and Ramza using his Squire's Tailwind ability until he's getting 3 turns to the enemy's one. It's even more doable here than the Gaff cage match since you should have a more developed build.
Other things can pinch hit for Auto Potion, of course - Lifefont/Move HP, a high move so you can play keep-away as best you can, but the basic, 'could have had this in chapter 1' solution is: a Squire with Auto-potion who runs around screaming a lot.
So, you know, in a way, the thematics still hold. It's just you also have the option to turn Ramza into a Dragoon and orbital strike the problem or work up some other totally busted build. The Superspeed Squire approach does benefit in that that speed doesn't go away for the second half of that fight, though, which is, let us say, highly useful.
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- PA
Ah, this Round with Wiegraf I remember, because my Ramza had a SPD of 9 going into the fight, and thus he got to walk forward right into wiegraf's attack range.
I was a young kid and a lot of these tactical considerations Omi dealt with…Right over my head, in a big way.
I think I had chosen to make Ramza my thief character so that probably didn't help if I remember properly but…
I was a young kid and a lot of these tactical considerations Omi dealt with…Right over my head, in a big way.
I think I had chosen to make Ramza my thief character so that probably didn't help if I remember properly but…
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A civil war is, admittedly, a seller's market for murder-for-hire.
Ace of Scarabs
Mechanoid Pilot
- Location
- Singapore
Alas, there have been no trains in Ivalice.
Hey, if they want to do a guest villain, Selphie trying to personally murder or enslave every member of high society to get them to build a rail network without any consideration of the human code of jumping straight there would work great.
But I doubt they do.
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
- Location
- Los Angeles
Jesus Christ people. Just because we know he's hit the wall doesn't mean we can all tell him how to climb it.
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- Norway
I feel compelled to believe Delita wants the best for Ovelia if for no other reason than him swearing on his sister's soul. She was after all the final straw that broke the camels back and I don't see him swear on her name lightly, even to fool someone to further his own goals. I think he's genuine in this cutscene.
Only time will tell though, I might eat my words down the line.
Only time will tell though, I might eat my words down the line.
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- Italy
I'll confess, my favorite meme to come out of this thread right now is the idea that actually, Orran was actually just a normal guy that is being consistently hyped up by his distant descendant, in what is actually supposed to be a historical paper. Peak ancient historian behavior.
Eh, it's no different than the advice that was given as a possibility in the Gaff fight afterwards.
It's just this one is a bit more restrictive; you can't cheat in the rest of the squad so easily.
Mortal enemies or abstract thematic considerations, everything falls to the Sword in the end.
ZerbanDaGreat
Daemon Noble of D E M O G R A P H I C S
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Ovelia: "And just what is it you plan to do to them?"
Delita: "I will burn down this kingdom, and from its ashes build for you a new one - a kingdom worthy of you. I will show you a world where your light will outshine the sun! A world that will know no darkness." [He kneels in front of her.] "And you will have no more need of tears."
Ovelia: "Such a world… is it possible?"
Delita: "I will not fail you in this. On Tietra's soul, I swear it to you."
[Ovelia embraces him; she cries.]
Damn, okay Delita. I guess that answers the question of how loyal Delita is to the Templar Knights - he's using them as they are using him, and he is fully intending to somehow betray them and burn down the kingdom to make one worthy of Ovelia. We are on that Chivalric Romance grind here, my man really spent the past twenty hours being consistently mean to that one girl before revealing he actually intended to do a little bit of a coup just for her.
At last we learn Delita's villainous motives: simpery.
Now I hear you asking: "Omi, wasn't that weirdly high-production for a rando we've never met before, who appears to have no connection to the plot, and who immediately joined the party roster thereby probably never acting in the narrative ever again?" And yes, you're right, it is.
It's not the only thing that's odd, either: The way he talks about traveling with friends before being separated and searching for them, the way the game immediately establishes his Character Quirk of writing everything in a journal, the fact that his sprite is kind of an aesthetic mismatch with FFT's normal sprite design (more colors, brighter colors, busier outfit)... This guy exudes "I am the protagonist of a different story taking a détour."
It didn't take much digging to find out that Luso is, in fact, a guest character from another game.
That would be Luso Clemens, the protagonist of Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift. So he's a character from the sequel to a spinoff of the original FFT, traveling back in time to (the PSP port) of a game during the original release of which he did not exist.
Jesus Christ, the FFT version of his outfit is if anything massively toned down.
I want this guy killed with a rock. Clean shot, straight to the skull.
Love this line. "Do you think I got the name 'Thunder God' for [blank]" is the perfect line and I hope Chadolfus uses it regularly.
Mustadio takes point, shooting one of the Ninjas immediately, but unfortunately this'll prove to have been not so great an idea.
So, you can see the problem here.
Allied characters can pass through each other's tiles, but they still need enough movement range to actually land somewhere on the other side. And with Mustadio at the bottom of the stairs and the other characters coming from further, uh… This creates this queue of people waiting for their turn going up the stairs. With the front character exposed to the full brunt of the entire enemy party's attacks.
Now I hear you say, "Omi you fool, why did you advance fragile Mustadio to the front line where no one can protect him when he's a long range shooter, and that decision made sense in my head! You see, Mustadio's gun needs line of sight, and if there are any characters in the way of his target, he will hit that character, so I didn't want him stuck behind several allies and a wall where he couldn't shoot anyone… Except he's also a Chemist so he still could have been chucking items, and that would have been the correct choice. Also, I feel like Mustadio has some kind of ineffable death wish that I am bound to honor.
Bro, why did...
There was a ninja just standing there on the wall, why not have Mustadio shoot him.
I don't know how the hell buying ranks in Jump for non-Dragoons works but it's a thing you've alluded to in previous updates so I say that's what you gotta invest in for Mustadio next, send him to the Basketball Mines until he has a 10ft standing leap and can simply bound into elevated shooting positions like the Hulk because if you don't this shit's just gonna keep on happening.
Then suddenly, FROG INTERRUPT.
[...]
The messenger frog explodes, seemingly for no other reason that dramatic effect.
"feels good man" *detonates*
In a bold and unique meta-twist Final Fantasy Tactics has a cuck arc, except it's between Omicron and Delita.
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See, this was why Orran portrayed Ramza as actually all alone with no friends, because if you're not soloing entire maps like Delita is, what are you even doing, man? No wonder Zalbaag calls Ramza a disgrace to the Beoulve name.
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"Get Gud bro"
Delita, bunny hopping across Ivalice with Ovelia clinging to his back like Yoda in Empire.
Delita, bunny hopping across Ivalice with Ovelia clinging to his back like Yoda in Empire.
Revlid
blob of bugs
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- England
Ah, true, true.
And these fire-forged allies show up in cutscenes and story events a lot, I bet, to reinforce this impression. As opposed to Ramza insisting that he's definitely going to win with the Power Of Friendship, thanks to his very real friends, you wouldn't know them, they go to another school in Canada.
Truly, playing this game right after FFVIII was the right choice.
Too bad Delita got Ovelia, who's no dommy mommy, so he had to do all the work of world domination himself first.
They're just out of frame, Jumping.