It is said in the ancient texts that the name of the forgotten fallen country was Texas.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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It is said in the ancient texts that the name of the forgotten fallen country was Texas.
Thanks for the lead. After investigating る/ru by itself, you're correct.
It is indeed a slangy way to say doing a Hamed.
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Yeah that's what you would think.
Except nope, you can use the Poach skill in your own monsters, permakilling them for items.
(Which if you know what you are doing, is an extremely practical way to get high end gear early!)
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- Northern Virginia
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Tactics Ogre, this game's predecessor.
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- Spain
Not at all.
I am still hearing the screams of all those poor pigs.
Take a wild guess at the most effective use of "I have 20 extra monsters in my party because they keep breeding"The FFT Wiki said:
Guile
Having a really great time right now
It's mostly not worth the pain, because you have to go into a fight with your Chocobo-or-whatever as one of your party members, then turn on them in the field and fight the rest of the battle with a 4-man party. Grim stuff.
Pigs are the notable exception.
Pigs are the notable exception.
Has anyone here ever played or heard of a certain game by Sting Entertainment called Knights in the Nightmare?
It's one of FFT's weird, distant platypus-like descendants, but without getting too far into its weeds, all of the units are the lingering spirits of murdered knights you once again called upon to do battle. There are like 200 deployable units and limited slots, so eventually, you have to either exile the restless wraiths to wander the earth or... TranSoul.
TranSoul works like a sacrifice mechanic: You consume the soul of one unit to strengthen another, making them more powerful and allowing them to stay and fight for longer. Notably, this exchange does not require the consent of either party.
So, like, yes, sad fluffy chickens make my heart sink, but there I was, playing a bideogem in middle school, trying to figure out this obtuse game's mechanics, and suddenly one of my units is pleading in terrified screams for me not to forfeit his immortal soul, just in time for him to dissolve into will-o-wisps and leave me with a newly strengthened unit coping with the trauma of being made stronger in this way. That's the worst I've ever seen it get.
It's one of FFT's weird, distant platypus-like descendants, but without getting too far into its weeds, all of the units are the lingering spirits of murdered knights you once again called upon to do battle. There are like 200 deployable units and limited slots, so eventually, you have to either exile the restless wraiths to wander the earth or... TranSoul.
TranSoul works like a sacrifice mechanic: You consume the soul of one unit to strengthen another, making them more powerful and allowing them to stay and fight for longer. Notably, this exchange does not require the consent of either party.
So, like, yes, sad fluffy chickens make my heart sink, but there I was, playing a bideogem in middle school, trying to figure out this obtuse game's mechanics, and suddenly one of my units is pleading in terrified screams for me not to forfeit his immortal soul, just in time for him to dissolve into will-o-wisps and leave me with a newly strengthened unit coping with the trauma of being made stronger in this way. That's the worst I've ever seen it get.
Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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- Italy
I mean, to be fair, Haste treats you as if your Speed was doubled, so it's reasonable that it doesn't last forever. Of course, these two stack, so...
Isn't Hester a Geomancer in that screenshot? Geomancy has longer range than Black Magic, you could just cast through the wall, surely?
Ah, I see. Yeah, that's understandable, not knowing which terrain moves to learn first can keep you from using the Geomancer. Naturally, if you are using Geomancy, you want to eventually learn them all, but if you choose the wrong learning order you could find yourself without use for the ability on some maps.
Here's the best learning order so you can start actually using Geomancy, spoiled in case you want to instead check the abilities in the menu with Select (which tells you which terrain would allow you to use which ability) and figure out the best learning order on your own.
So: the first ability you want are Tanglevine/Hell's Ivy and Contortion/Carve Model. As you can check with select, these are the abilities that are cast off of grassy terrain (Tanglevine) and out of stone terrain and stone structures, like walls (Contortion); as long as you have these two, you will cover most outdoor areas. Then, since most maps also have structures of some sort, you also want Wind Slash/Kamaitachi, which triggers out of brick and metal structures, and Will-o'-the-Wisp/Demon Fire, which triggers off of wooden structures and roots and so on. These are the four core Geomancy abilities that will enable use of the skillset on most maps in the game.
Then, a bit less important are Sinkhole/Pitfall and Tremor/Local Quake. Generally, any map that has one of those will also include Tanglevine and/or Contortion panels, but since Geomancer is a unit that is built to manipulate positioning on the battlefield, having the extra options is always good - they just aren't as high a priority as the other four.
For the rest, you can mostly just guess and learn specific abilities before heading to a specific map; if you see a map called Zirekile Falls, it's a safe guess that you'll be able to use the Torrent/Water Ball ability that is triggered out of sea and river panels, and if you're heading for Zeklaus Desert, you can expect Sandstorm to come in handy. And every city map so far has featured rooftops, so unlocking Wind Blast/Gusty Wind before heading into a city you haven't visited yet is probably a safe bet.
I hope that helps!
Of note, there's two abilities in Orator which do have high accuracy: those which reduce Bravery and Faith. The latter is not especially useful (low Faith means that your own buffs, like Raise, will miss, as you experienced, and that your own magic hurt the enemy less), but now that you've seen Hamedo in action, and after you've been hassled by Counter so many times, surely you can see a use for Brave-nuking some enemies, right? And, it has the benefit of being an Orator move you can count on landing - guaranteed JP, basically.
Ah, see, whenever you move to a new spot on the map, there's a random chance for each monster unit in your roster to generate a egg. The percentage goes up for every spot you move where a egg is not generated. So, once you have two monsters, each one has the chance, and then when you're four, that's four monsters rolling their egg chance, and so on - the more you have, the more you will have.
Incidentally, dismissing eggs doesn't come with the sadness message, but you won't know which monster you're dismissing, so, there's that.
Yeah, when a monster hatches, it is usually the same tier as the parent, but it can also be a different tier sometimes - Black Chocobo is the tier 2 of the Chocobo, whereas the Yellow is the tier 1. I'm pretty sure that higher tiers have restriction on when you can obtain them and that a tier 1 cannot hatch into a tier 3, but it's entirely possible I'm misremembering that particular detail.
My solution was to always keep the best chocobo of the pack and rename it to Boco! That way, we can pretend that he was just evolving and we didn't dismiss anything! Surely, that's how it works, right? ...right?
It was like that, but notably, Delita doesn't name "your brother"; he said before, in a separate bit of the conversation, that the scheming was likely Dycedarg's, but the two sentence are separate by enough dialogue about other things that it's entirely fair to have assumed the "still your brother's dog?" could have referred to any number of people that Agrias doesn't know. It's not impossible to jump to "Dycedarg is the brother in question", but it's not really ever directly stated either.
So, now that this is happening, are you looking forwards to when, inevitably, the game deploys Dragoons against you?
At Zirekile Falls, you actually had seven units on your side (against the six of the enemy): Ramza, Hadrian, Gillian, Osric, Agrias, Delita, and Ovelia. Yes, Ovelia wasn't exactly very useful, but it's still an indication the game could give you a party larger than six, if it wanted to.
I mean... you're currently using fists, knives, sweet talking and a spear; no swords in sight here. And guns can be pretty cool, too, in the right hands; not to mention, if we ignore the spear for a moment, the rest is basically the gangster set of weapons, which a gun would fit very well.
Just saying, guns would, if anything, be very in-theme for the party you're running at the moment.
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As far as I recall, there is no time gating - if you're willing to spend the time walking and culling the lower tier beasties, you can wait until you get a tier 3 monster as soon as you can first recruit a tier 1.
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- He/Him
Jesus Christ!
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I guess Tactics has finally given us the answer to this question! Non-human intelligences can just do that.
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Zap Rowsdower
Ex-cultist vagrant
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- Bright lights, big city
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- He/Him
If I had a nickel for every Final Fantasy game released in 1997 that had an optional side mechanic that encouraged the protagonist to stop for weeks in the middle of a seemingly urgent situation to practice canary-ostrich eugenics for fun and profit I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's funny it happened twice.
Dragoon on it's own is good but jumping on other classes is fun
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
I love Geomancy and someday, when I'm old enough, we will be married.
I remember I lucked into a tier 3 bird at least by the start of Chapter 3, and that fucking bird hasn't laid an egg since.
My dreams of choco-farming are as dead as Tietra.
Everyone experiences that surprisingly intimate betrayal eventually. Geomancy is an unfortunately popular secondary skill for the game to give to Monks.
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RogueIce
Noctis Æternæ
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- New Lunar Republic, Equestria
Good ol' Mustadio. I'm glad @Omicron got to experience the joys of him running into his own death before you have a chance to save him. Not sure if it was quite the same as HC Bailly's where, IIRC Mustadio died before the player even got a turn (let alone a useful one) but it's a favorite "wtf game?!" moment of mine.
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- Brittany, France
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- He/Him
It's a bit of a weird line, but my assumption here is that Alma was being schooled at a monastery - medieval 'schools' were typically churches/religious institutions, so Alma would basically have been a resident at a coven where she studied and only came back to the Eagrose estate every few weeks/months, like a boarding school student.
Yeah, this is basically the mission that made me truly appreciate why Jump Abilities exist. There hadn't really been a scenario where Jump ranges impacted gameplay so strongly until now, but now I can appreciate their utility.
...still probably going to go with Move+ abilities rather than Jump+ abilities, for the broader applicability.
Oh, yes, I fully misread that line and missed the part about 'near the monastery,' this is clearly referring to the monastery attack and not the Dorter attack. Thanks for pointing it out.
Well, we know he can teleport, after all, that's how he got away from us at Zeichdele Falls!
Yeah, I've been thinking about what to do with Hadrian once I get the Jump abilities I want, and it's, hm. I basically have three options:
1) Keep him as a Dragoon and load him up with a secondary skillset from another class.
2) Swap him into another class but keep Jump, and only Jump. Maybe Monk, with Jump Punching?
3) Swap him into another class with Jump and Equip Polearms so he can continue to enjoy the spear damage bonus on Jump. At this point the question kind of becomes, 'why not just keep him a Dragoon' and I don't really have an answer. Maybe Knight just has better stats?
That's what I already did with the Black Magic ability she came packaged with at first. I figured having her with sword skills and White Magic would make her reliably effective, but she favors White Magic a little too much. The thing is, if I take White Magic off, then she'll waste any turn in which there isn't an enemy in range, so... It's a trade-off.
With that said Agrias leaves in the next cutscene after this update so this is not an issue I need to think about for now.
So at this point we have:
Duke Larg's faction (Northern Sky, the Beoulves)
Duke Goltanna's faction (Southern Sky)
The unnamed party sponsoring Delita, who passed themselves as Northern Sky passing themselves as Southern Sky to fool Gaffgarion.
The unnamed party sponsoring the Dorter attack, with the corrupt, church-connected Knight.
The Baert Trading Company.
That's a lot of players! The third and fourth parties could actually be the same, of course. Much remains obscure at this stage.
Poor Agrias. In some ways she seems to embody the archetype of the "knight who truly believes and upholds a knight's professed ideals even though everyone other than her consider them a hollow pretense" archetype that seems common in modern dark fantasy.
Zap please god I looked up the chocobo cannon's description and
What the fuck
Also a valid read!
As far as I'm aware, all "Artifact" rewards are non-mechanical. They're sort of 'trophies' for successful errands that sit in your Chronicle menu as a pretty picture and a piece of setting lore.
Which isn't a bad way to do it at all, though sometimes it raises questions, like 'why can't I give one of my units the Magical Kalashnikov' here. Maybe it's such an antique it can't functionally be fired?
Wait, are you telling me that all these custom names that we associate with the specific overarching universe of Final Fantasy, like magicite, auracite, and the like, are actually inventions of the EN localization team, and in Japanese they just have generic names like holy stone and magic stone?
That's wild.
The journey that led us to this conclusion was wild.Ok, i got an hypothesis.
If you search google for ハメド, just Hamedo without the last character, you will get a boatload of results of this guy:
This guy being Nassem Hamed, featherweight world champion from 1995 to 2000, apparently specially famous for his one-punch knockouts.
So yeah i am like 90% sure than ハメドる literally means "To do a Hamed"
...do you think you're the first person to figure it out? Should we hit up the Final Fantasy Wiki pages for an edit?
In some ways, I think Final Fantasy Tactics shows us the 'what could have been' scenario of if the Final Fantasy series as a whole had continued the route of 2D, sprite-based design (inside 3D environments) with the powers of the PSX, instead of immediately engaging with the new polygonal trend. Not in the gameplay and such necessarily, but in the artistry and visual design. And it's beautiful; in terms of the expressiveness of its characters, the flexibility of its spritework, and so on, Tactics blows even VI out of the water.
But it's not the road the series as a whole took, and perhaps ultimately for the better - it's that path that led us to the drop-dead gorgeous FMVs of VIII, and so on.
But it's an interesting hypothetical for which Tactics is giving us one point of data.
Final Fantasy Tactics is a distant sequel to Final Fantasy VII which is a distant sequel to our world, confirmed.
jesus christ how horrifying
don't say things like this, it scares me
Zap Rowsdower
Ex-cultist vagrant
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- Bright lights, big city
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- He/Him
Zap please god I looked up the chocobo cannon's description and
What the fuck
...and here I thought I was joking. Beginning to see why the ancient high tech civilization collapsed.
Why do need the chocobo, if you plan on shooting explosives? It's not like you're trying bio-warfare, and the diseased corpses (of your men, or cows) are integral to the operation!
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I'm very glad Omi is doing these propositions. Walking back and forth in circles waiting for them to conclude was never anything I had patience for,but the few I did do have some pretty fucking wild rewards lore wise, as Omi has seen.
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The exploding chocobos go further and are more accurate, because they have wings.
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The game has already told us why, it's when you have too many goddamn chocobos and need to get rid of them somehow, and why not just use them to replace bomb casings
Ancient Magitek Raytheon Employee does another hit of Ancient Magitek PCP, says to his coworkers "Y'know how chocobos, like, breed really fast? What if we weaponized that?"
Ancient Magitek Military Procurement Dude replies "What, like, as mounts and to clear minefields? We do that already."
AMRE goes "No, dude, I mean, like, as ammo. But we fill them with gunpowder first, and we make sure they're alive so they work as guided munitions."
AMMPD goes "Holy shit, man, I'll take five thousand, we'll use them for everything!"
Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
- Location
- Italy
It does not. Option 1 and 2 are your only choices here, and it's really ultimately a choice of "do I want a unit with armor + spear, or do I want a unit who does something else and just has Jump as their long-range damage option". Either is perfectly fine, in my opinion, it's just a matter of taste.
Knight vs Dragoon stat comparison, for completeness:
- Knight - HP: 120 - MP: 80 - Speed: 100 - PA: 120 - MA: 80 - Move: 3 - Jump: 3 - Evade: 10% - Equip: Armor, Shield, Robes, Swords
Dragoon- HP: 120 - MP: 50 - Speed: 100 - PA: 120 - MA: 50 - Move: 3 - Jump: 4 - Evade: 15% - Equip: Armor, Shield, Robes, Spears
So, Dragoon has better Evade and better Jump, equal HP, PA and Speed, and lower MA and MP. That might seems like it suggests that the Knight would be better with a magic skillset (even if those numbers are still bad), but remember, the point here was "Knight with Jump". Knight with Jump has no room for a magical skillset left, whereas Dragoon can have Jump and set a skillset other than War Arts, which will undoubtedly be an improvement. Swords are better than Spears in a general sense, but Spears are better for Jump, which compensates it.
Dragoon is just better than Knight.
I mean, they were sunk by a holy prophet, weren't they? So, that they probably had it coming should come at no surprise.
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