I've never felt more exhausted reading someone else talking about a movie before.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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"So, I'm a delivery boy?"
"Exactly."
"...Yahoo, I'm a delivery boy!"
Had to resist the temptation to quote Monsoon. Especially with Leila covering MGRR.
Typo spotted, unless repeating 'the same director' was meant to be for effect.
The same director, the same writers, the same director, the same writers, the same director, the same writers-
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I was a young'un when I watched it, and man. Those were some sick fight secens.
Wasn't sure why they were happening, but I enjoyed them.
I think the nonsense continent hopping and Shinra bosses not having been literally lynched is less of a problem when one goes into this movie with no idea of what FF7 even is.
Because looking back with a better idea of the the game FF7, I do think it's quite disgusting how the movie works to redeem/whitewash Shinra and the people who ran it.
Wasn't sure why they were happening, but I enjoyed them.
I think the nonsense continent hopping and Shinra bosses not having been literally lynched is less of a problem when one goes into this movie with no idea of what FF7 even is.
Because looking back with a better idea of the the game FF7, I do think it's quite disgusting how the movie works to redeem/whitewash Shinra and the people who ran it.
Manic Dogma
This, I can't deny.
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Another part of rwby we can blame this movie for.
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Ah, but Bahamut ZERO came from the blue Huge Materia, that's why he's able to use a blue materia for the summon
The whole memetic legacy thing sounds like nonsense at first blush, but when I remember how memories/thoughts/souls interact with the lifestream and I find myself thinking it's actually fairly eerie and appropriate for the mere concept or remembrance of Jenova to somehow wonk the functioning of the Planet.
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My guess is the settlement on the outskirts of Midgar was eventually abandoned at some point in the intervening 498 years and, being more ramshackle, didn't leave any ruins.
Everybody instead lives in Neo-Midgar, a city suspiciously similar to the old one built around a giant WallaceCo Oil Derrick.
Everybody instead lives in Neo-Midgar, a city suspiciously similar to the old one built around a giant WallaceCo Oil Derrick.
Thozmp
Gets my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.
Loz is surprised someone learned Sephiroth's legendary Materia Throw technique! Truely the best way to use materia!
Also, those things are huge. Like baseball sized, how did they fit into arm bands? Or Tifa's glove type weapons? Like, maybe one or two, four if you really push it, but trying to fit eight on one piece of equipment?
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A Bahamut with the power to promote the last non-MMO Final Fantasy game that came out before this movie. Product integration -- a power both eldritch and inexorable.
To be fair, if it's been 498 years it's entirely possible that New Midgar just didn't pan out or collapsed or moved at some point in the intervening years. That's a lot of time for things to change.
Alright so, in theory I could see a new, reformed Shinra with Reeve at the head as the last remaining executive, trying to use the companies resources to turn over a new leaf and make it actually a helpful organization and stuff.
This is, of course, absolutely not what happens because Rufus of all the goddamn people shows up, being agressively not-dead.
Wait, so you're telling me Advent Children gets updates?
Holy shit, can't wait for Advent Children Complete Redux Remake II: Electrical Boogaloo, where it gets another five hours of runtime to also incorporate all the plot points from the FFVII Sequel trilogy.
Oh, we get fight scene ratings? Dope, I'll take it.
Whoa, hey, oil is totes different from Mako! It's like... the leftover dandruff of the planet or something instead of its blood, idunno I'm not a metaphor guy. But hey, if Barret says it's good, obviously it's good, he's an expert on this stuff right?
Still have no idea why they decided to go with this. I mean, other than fanservice, obviously, but Rufus was... VERY dead-dead, you know? He took a superweapon laser straight to the face, we have a cutscene of this happening. By everything we've seen in FFVII, that really isn't something you just walk (or wheel even) off.Speaking of retroactively hurting the integrity of the original story…
Cloud arrives at the Turks' location, where he finds out that Rufus Shinra is, incredibly, alive.
Remember, its the plot of the original game that we saw end in Sephiroth's spirit presumably being finally absorbed and broken down by the lifestream for good.
God I hate post-FFVII Sephiroth hype. Spinoffs and crossovers like Kingdom Hearts is one thing, but it's just so goddamn stupid to have him still showing up in the actual timeline after he got killed deader than deader than dead.
Golly that sure would be relevant
If we were back in the first half of FFVII still
Barret's just keeping up his role from FFVII of never interacting with Marlene because he's busy building a better future for the world!
Just, you know, this time the better future is "getting filthy rich as an oil baron" instead of "being a terrorist to save the planet."
It truly, truly is. FFVII is eternally weighed down by a millstone around its neck with the word "Sephiroth" deeply engraved across it.
I haven't actually played or watched anything of Crisis Core, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this is some retcon specific to that game/re imagining.
Oh damn, we can wrap up the entire review right there, honestly
Already found the greatest crime that Advent Children committed this soon
Look, some people are just really good at driving trucks. It's like driving from Alaska to Russia, if you can see it you can totally make the drive.
I feel like it can't be that hard to fling a materia or two into character's skillsets. Magic materia in particular should be easy once divorced from game mechanics - It's a Fire materia, not specifically a "casts Fire/Fira/Firaga" materia, just have Cloud do things like one glows and his next sword swing is on fire, or Barret's gun arm shines and he starts adding explosive damage to his bullets or whatever. Keeps their distinctive styles, but lets them mix it up with some magic.
If there's one thing AC did right, it's Cloud's weapon collection. Can't wait for the Omnislash sword.
Whoa Vincent, that's a little harsh-
No nevermind Vince, shoulda just capped them right there. Shinra what the fuck.
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I don't have any proof, but there's a part of me that strongly suspects Tetsuya Nomura looked at fellow try-hard teenager (and Cloud is absolutely a teenager in terms of time spent conscious) Squall's prominent lion theme, thought was really cool, and decided to give Cloud a predator fursona too. It feels like the sort of thing he'd do.
I feel like a wolf theme is the sort of thing that would suit Cloud. Early-game Cloud would 100% identify himself as a "lone wolf" while posing with his sword, but in the end, wolves—and Cloud—are fundamentally social animals. Both narratively and mechanically, he has to form a pack and trust his friends to defeat Sephiroth.
Though it's pretty weird to only add this in now, when it wasn't present in the original game.
No chocobos!?
Immersion ruined, -99/10 rating, this movie burned my crops and salted my fields. Where is the chocobo harem of a chocobo-headed man so charismatic his mere glance could get an entire fieldful of chocobos to do a silly dance and cough up a summon materia.
On one hand, there's a part of me that likes the "they're just best friends platonically raising children together" interpretation of their relationship because it's rare to see that sort of relationship in mainstream media.
On the other hand, it's also incredibly transparently to draw out the shipping wars, so.
The thing which really gets me is… While Marlene basically disappears after the first act, Barret's love for his adopted daughter is one of his defining character traits and incredibly important in his arc of finding more to live for than just revenge.
It's egregious and I feel like they would have never done this to a character who wasn't an Angry Black Man from the Ghetto.
My strong suspicion is that someone in Square Enix got too worried that people would remember the fact that their game literally starts with the heroes doing ecoterrorism, so they made it very clear that—as well as Shinra surviving—the protagonist who was a terrorist leader is now a respectable oil baron.
See, not radical at all! We are a very family-friendly and respectable franchise!
"Hey, I don't really get it, but if constantly cracking jokes and doing slapstick saves me from the Hague, I'm all for it!"
More seriously, this does feel strongly like the natural conclusion of post-Midgar 7 turning the Turks into a quirky miniboss squad. Is it necessarily the most interesting thing to do with the Gestapo who literally crushed a town? No, but it is, at least, consistent with the original's writing.
I feel like there has to be some secret good version of Advent Children which actually does something interesting with this contrast. Kadaj's lack of confidence in himself as he is causing him to be suicidally dedicated to literally becoming someone else is a great foil as Cloud's failure state.
For me at least, the most natural read of Cloud and Sephiroth's final mindscape battle, given the context of only the original game, is that Omnislash finally destroys Sephiroth's spite-fuelled ghost once and for all. But it's rather vague and "Jenova's head which went missing" is an amazing way of justifying the space aliens still having enough of a physical presence to make trouble.
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Cloud: *destroys Sephiroth's ghost once and for all*
Jenova's Head: *sighs, runs "Sephiroth Personality Emulator.exe again, booting up another copy*
Jenova's Head: *sighs, runs "Sephiroth Personality Emulator.exe again, booting up another copy*
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Advent Children, particularly with how attached it is to FF7's original story, feels like one big reminder of why pre-merger FF didn't do direct sequels, because most of their games were basically done deals. Not that all FF sequels and spinoffs are as bound to their original as AC is, but this AC review has so far been insightful as to why this sort of thing was avoided back when, pre-Spirits Within bombing
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Why those names, though. Did they think it would be too obvious to just use Din, Hod and Binah? You're gonna name a character Sephiroth, come up with new characters that are fragments or emanations of him, and never reference any of the ten sefirot.
Instead we have Yazoo.
Okay, I realize this isn't something the movie would ever do, but like, what reason does Cloud have to not kill these people? "Hey Reno, Rude. Long time no see. Hey, weird question- remember that time you murdered everyone in Sector 7?"
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Yeah this is why I'm firmly on the side of death of the author in regards to FF7. They made Advent Children, nothing they say about FF7 can be trusted.
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If they used the names of the attributes of the sephirot for his mini-me's, they'd raise awkward questions about Tifa.
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Ah, Kadaj. Such a weird character. I too applaud the self-deprecation they went with here, that he hates being second fiddle to Sephiroth. In Dissidia Opera Omnia, he actually defaults to the Hero side of everything, and takes it upon himself to act as Aerith's body guard when Cloud isn't around.
I must be missing something. How is the name Tifa connected to the sephirot?
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Checked the FF wiki, seems there's nothing about Loz, but it says Kadaj comes from the Persian word for 'imperfect' or 'incomplete', while Yazoo is from yazoo streams... and probably the 80s synthpop band who did 'Only You'.
Granted, this is a fandom wiki, so who knows.
To speculate, Loz sounds close to Los, a William Blake character, even if nobody else is named after anyone from Blake's mythology. Or it could just be Loss...
Speculated to be short for Tiferet
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To be fair, I think encountering the Turks in the Midgar revisit is mandatory, and the only way it doesn't end with them dead and you looting their bodies is if you explicitly choose to spare them after having very briefly fought together in Wutai.
So I suppose that in any post-game fic where the Turks are still alive, Cloud would feel really awkward going back on that first decision.
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…Well, that's another mark on my Kingdom Hearts headcanon, especially once I read what Tiferet's domains were.
However, I can see one reason why the Remnants aren't named for the sephirot: it never occurred to anyone to make such a reference. Remember that Sephiroth was only given his name because The Fiend of VI was not named Sephirot, something that would eventually be fixed in XIV. I would bet money no one at Square was even aware of the sephirot heirarchy.
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