Okay this is my favorite bit. We stand trans-wrongs Sephiroth.
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Playing: Final Fantasy IX]
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Okay this is my favorite bit. We stand trans-wrongs Sephiroth.
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Maybe, though there are still a variety of ways those could get separated from someone not actually dead.Thozmp said:
IIRC, someone further up the thread proposed that possibly bodies didn't used to vanish so quickly, and it's an effect of Shinra's mako drain that they do now? Maybe that more strongly affects complex life.
@Omicron:
Thanks for writing!
IIRC, I completely missed Vincent in my one partial playthrough.
Damn it's crazy that they made both of the best party members optional
No but seriously I think Yuffie and Vincent are the most fun of the current cast, only 80% because I have not grown up from being an edgy 12 year old despite how long ago that was
Yes, yes we are
Honestly, would that really be that out of character for a Final Fantasy villain?
Cloud may have rep as the brooding JRPG boy, but this guy? Good thing you brought Yuffie to bully him a bit.
Just to screw over players who want to play with their new toy, I guess.
ZerbanDaGreat
Daemon Noble of D E M O G R A P H I C S
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The Giga-Moogle after Cait Sith totally botches a Limit roll:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4fJurqwhyY
Damn, Scarlet, guess we know which Summon isn't your favourite.
I don't know what part I like more, Scarlet slandering Titan so badly she thinks he's literally not even worth the bag space or the image of the party snuffling through the wreckage like a pack of methed-up raccoons looking for the materia she dropped.
This town is perfectly fine. In fact - and this is one of the first signs that something is even more wrong than the fact that it's fine - it looks better than it did in Cloud's flashback. The streets and plaza have been swept of dirt, the houses are cleaner. It's almost… Brand new.
This, of course, prompts an immediate reaction from the party I gathered. A party which, hm.
Yuffie: "I thought someone said this town burnt down!"
Cloud: "...Yeah."
Cait Sith: "Cloud, did you make up that story to get our support?"
Cloud: "I'm not lying!"
Cloud: "I remember… The intense heat of the flames…"
Holy shit. Holy shit I am dying. I didn't think to change my party members before heading in and Cait Sith literally turned to Cloud and went 'wow I guess your tragic backstory was a bunch of fucking lies huh?'. Of all the people he wandered into town with, he did it with the two people least invested in his personal drama and the Shinra struggle and they immediately just called him out on his backstory. This is so fucking funny. And because Cloud has major memory issues that have only become more prominent over time, for all we know, it could be true, the destruction of Nibelheim could be a fake memory.
Flawless.
I hope this is kept in Rebirth. They mentioned that all party members are present for all cutscenes so it has to be critical mission path for Cait Sith to take one look at Nibelheim and start writing a twitlonger cancelling Cloud for making up trauma to get friends.
Of course, the choicest gut punch is in Cloud's own house.
There's an older woman there, working in the kitchen - the game took care to animate her movements to convey the sense that she's tending to normal domestic tasks, most likely cooking, just like Cloud's mom was last time we were here. Only, when he approaches her and says this was his house, he lived there until he was 14, she tells him he's sick, and to get out of her house.
At this point I'm just imagining Cloud gets here, has this random lady call him deranged and tell him to leave, and then Sephiroth manifests behind him to whisper in his ear "it's too late cloud, i tore up your birth certificate, you don't exist".
Then the funniest thing in the world happens: Sephiroth CHUCKS A MATERIA AT CLOUD'S FACE.
There's no 'this makes sense in context,' he literally pulls his arm back to grab something, then throws it, and a Materia sails across the room and hits Cloud straight into his goddamned forehead, knocking him back and bouncing off onto the ground while Sephiroth starts rising into the air and levitating. Then Sephiroth does a fucking backflip in mid-air, then flies head-first above Cloud and out of the room.
It is, genuinely, incredibly funny, in no small part because of how out of left field it is, following the build-up of mystery and spooky ominous pronouncement and new story concepts being thrown at us with Sephiroth suddenly engaging goofball mode.
Head down. Elbows in. Shoulders out.
Boy they sure got a lot more dignified in how they portrayed Sephiroth's ability to fly in later installments, huh? Although now I mention his flight, it sure is really funny how the Evil Superman comparison just got fed yet again. He's not only half Kryptonian on his second mother's side, but he can fly with the power of Gaia's yellow sun!
Seeing your party choices, I choose to believe this is because Cait Sith was left alone with a minor and a mentally ill veteran and immediately decided to sell them drugs.
Me when I wake up in the morning.
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12-year old me just called, he said this is the coolest guy to ever live.
I can't even disagree.
God there's something so wild about this art, because I'm much more used to seeing him with his tribarrel revolver named Cerberus (why was Dirge of Cerberus named after his gun? Probably a reach to follow the Compilation's alphabet naming convention) as his 'signature weapon', so the fact he's just toting an ordinary Glock here sends me.
Okay, one last thing. What's his Limit Break like? Is it going to be "fire your gun especially hard" like with Barret?
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I need to go lay down.
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HE TURNS INTO A FUCKING DEMON WEREWOLF?!?
Wait. No. The blue color. The crest. The horns.
HE TURNS. INTO. A WERE-BEHEMOTH.
Oh so that's why he's not a playable party member in Rebirth - they have to make like six extra movesets for him in FF7 ReConnect to cover all his Limit forms.
Regardless, I'm pleased to see you understand the vision. It's a sign of maturity to come out the other end of your 'everything I used to like was cringe' phase and realise that actually all that stuff did whip ass.
I'm not gonna say shit about most of your theorising, because part of the appeal is your relatively uncoloured perspective, but since I already said this on Discord I might as well repeat it here for anyone else it may concern; in the original script, these entities are called Sephiroth Copies, as in literally the katakana for 'sefirosu kopi'. I think it's undeniable that the connotations of 'Clone' and 'Copy' are different, if only slightly, enough to potentially change the trajectory of a player's theories. My strong suspicion is that Rebirth will use 'copy' instead of 'clone' as well, just based on how they've already been presented.
EDIT: Oh right I knew I was forgetting something, the Counter Attack materia. It requires a whopping 100k AP to master, but if you do the physical counter becomes a guaranteed proc, so maybe that'll be worth the investment for you if you're also planning to throw Cover on a stronger character like Cloud.
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MiskWisk
Hoot
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- He
Oh god damn it, there's another letter I missed?
Yep, can confirm. If you miss the letter Nibelheim becomes a mystery that isn't solved for quite a while when a later plot development comes in.
Side note: while exploring Nibelheim did you find the room with the two smaller hooded figures in it? If you talk to them you might find some of their dialogue... familiar in the way it's written.
Cool. I couldn't remember if that was here or if it'd show up later.
Also one of the bosses that represents a wall in whether or not you paid attention to how to play the game. He is also vulnerable to Stop which you won't have unless you grinded a time materia from Gongaga up to level three.
Or you abuse Choco/Mog for its 40% chance of causing stop, with added effect linked to it so basic attacks have a 20% chance. Or just use Aerith's Seal Evil limit break for a 100% chance of Stopping the boss.
Oh neat. I assumed since you found those letters you'd actually spot the other item in the safe. Instead you did exactly what I did.
And this is (one of) the reasons why in fanfic people keep relationshipping them. No not romantically. It's just that in a lot of fanfic Vincent somehow becomes the dad to Yuffie's bratty teenage daughter. It's honestly a fun dynamic.
It's also something you can steal a Gold Armlet from; a pretty good accessory that you will be able to buy from the next town, but the steal rate isn't too bad I recall so you can just stock up from these guys instead.
Side note: these things are just the natural fauna of the Nibelheim Mountains. Imagine what the early settlers of the town were thinking.
"Ah yes, lot's of fertile farmland, situated near the only traversible route through the mountain, we'll make lot's of money from the trade routes!"
"What about the dragons?"
"What about the what?"
Something that scared the shit out of kid me. It's the sort of enemy that sticks in your mind, both because it is absolutely brutal compared to other random encounters and genuinely unsettling.
Fair warning, Beast Flare is fire typed damage. This can result in a loop of Vincent insisting on healing the enemy by casting it over and over again.
And something else to add to the list of "things to talk about later."
Egleris
Vagrant Dragon
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- Italy
So, since you liked Vincent (I honestly don't really appreciate the loss of control his limits produce), I suppose it might be worth pointing out that, as other people mentioned, his Sniper Rifle has 255% accuracy and is, thus, the answer to this comment you made:
So, yeah, putting the Deathblow Materia on Vincent might be plenty fun for you, I imagine.
I should probably also mention that certain yellow Command Materia (like Deathblow) can be combined with certain blue Support Materia (such as, for example, All - although Deathblow in particular doesn't combines with All). You might want to try it out!
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SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
Well... Not always romantically, anyway. It's the internet, there's definitely people romance shipping them, too.
MiskWisk
Hoot
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If I don't acknowledge them they can't hurt me.
Kadmus
Dragon's teeth are surprisingly hard to sow
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- Devon
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- He/Him
As a note I'm pretty sure Vincent's character design is at least 50% straight-up just Vash the Stampede from Trigun. The coat he's wearing half of is literally the top half of Vash's, he has the same incongruous left arm, he uses a gun.
(You might also note that Alucard from Hellsing steals a lot of Vash's design, too; if Vincent had been made a few years later I'd have said he was an Alucard reference instead of a Vash one, but as it is I suspect some of Vincent bled through into Alucard instead, given FF's cultural cachet.)
(You might also note that Alucard from Hellsing steals a lot of Vash's design, too; if Vincent had been made a few years later I'd have said he was an Alucard reference instead of a Vash one, but as it is I suspect some of Vincent bled through into Alucard instead, given FF's cultural cachet.)
ApocalypticFish
Been reflecting lately.
The option that immediately came to mind for me was a really morbid "a locker baby".
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Vocalist
Verdant Maiden in Violet
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Well. I have been checking this thread for so many days in a row that I actually dreamed about it; to be precise, I dreamed up a controversial new party member named Kenneth. He was a soldier in the Undead Army who joined the party because he idolized Barret. Weirdly, although Kenneth's boss was a skeleton, Kenneth himself was this 80s action hero looking guy in green military fatigues and a red headband. He fought with martial arts.
Anyway, it turned out that Kenneth's first loyalty was to the Undead Army all along. When he was assigned to a mission, he immediately left the party behind, making a vague proposal that he would come back later, maybe. Posters were divided in whether they approved of him or found him untrustworthy and unethical.
Anyway, it turned out that Kenneth's first loyalty was to the Undead Army all along. When he was assigned to a mission, he immediately left the party behind, making a vague proposal that he would come back later, maybe. Posters were divided in whether they approved of him or found him untrustworthy and unethical.
Vocalist
Verdant Maiden in Violet
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- By a Cedar Tree
While he was gung-ho about saving the Planet, he was even more gung-ho about serving the projects of some skeletons seated on thrones, and some people on SV disapproved of that. Being, you know. Suspicious. Of the good intentions. Of a military government. Composed of skeletons.
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The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
I can see why we'd have a bone to pick with them, yes.
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
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- AZ
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Look yes ok FF7: Eclipse Necrosis never came out and that's a shame and it leaves the guy little more than a Square-branded Guile with a dangling storyline but ffs it shows clearly that even the undead know not to fuck with the lifestream unlike Shinra turbofucking the planet, and even if they're kind of ambiguous anyone who likes Barret isn't all bad.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
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I do hope the remake does this right, it certainly has the potential to. I mean, doing absolutely nothing except cutting the letter is already a big improvement for less than no effort.
I never actually owned FF7 myself, I played it at a friend's in primary school, and never saw further past Wall Market. Had I reached Vincent, he would have been my catnip. Young me's immune system had no defence system to that kind of character.
Gods I hope the remake doesn't even change this. Vincent declaiming his tragic backstory, exposing his pathos to the audience, and just shitkid Yufie there scrolling her phone calling his failures a skill issue and his backstory shit.
We are definitely going to have stuff to talk about when it comes to teenage appeal in character design and writing when we hit FF8.
Sephiroth: Reunion is the upcoming remaster of Final Fantasy: Crisis Core. Jenova's doing a Lifestream on launch day. You should be there, it'll be rad.
Cloud proceeds to Turk Jenova to the shock of everyone watching the Lifestream
"Turk" as in 'be a mostly-harmless recurring mid-boss' or "Turk" as in 'drops one-eighth of a city on her'?
Meant as the equivalent of Swatting her so somewhere in the middle
