Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
- Thread starter Omicron
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Such a weird choice. If you want to make a game about Shinra troubleshooters without making them villains opposing heroic characters who try to spell "Shinra" as "Shinzo", there is a very obvious choice of villain: Shinra.
Hojo experiments probably escape once a year, inter-departamental politicking rapidly devolves into gunfire the moment Scarlet enters the room, the former head of security didn't appreciate the letter of dismissal and locked himself and a thousand employees in a building full of robot soldiers that answer only to him, someone's trying to stage a coup and you need to protect Rufus from assassination attempts while he insists on going surfing, and of course there are your true enemies: that other Turk team who get all the funding.
It's not exactly "save the world" plot, but there is plenty of room for corporate satire and the kind of shenanigans I'd expect from leading a quirky miniboss squad.
IDK if the game has, like, loot boxes or gacha mechanics or other microtransaction shit, but if it does, it would be trivially to tie to in-game reality (it's not like Shinra would just give you stuff you need for work for free. Office supplies, including guns and armor, are the responsibility of the employees) so that the players could get addicted and waste their earnings ironically.
RogueIce
Noctis Æternæ
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- New Lunar Republic, Equestria
Indeed. My Xbox One controller doesn't read too well when I tried to fire it up. Which is odd because I did get it to work once, but have no recollection how.
Biggest issue though, IIRC, is that even if it will acknowledge the controller and let you use it, it doesn't update the tutorial/instruction boxes like modern games will. So there's still a bit of guesswork, unless you were familiar enough with the old PSX controller - and the specific way it controlled in FF7 - to fake your way through it.
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- SV's Only Complete Persona Quest
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- She/Her
Also, could be Bugenhagen's an Arkadian and there's a big artificial sun hidden beneath the Lifestream.
...Huh, neither thought I'd get to make a second Le Mondes Engloutis/Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea reference in this thread
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They're the same buttons you use to rotate the world map, flee, and cycle characters in the menu. In the keyboard mapping they're referred to as [PGUP] [PGDN] and are by default mapped to those keys on a keypad; I don't know what you may have changed it to.
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- Texas
Unfortunately, the concept art doesn't help clarify for this one.
But while I was snooping, I found Don Corneo and Dyne, so there's that at least. Oh, and Seto got concept art too, but the image ends up tiny and blurry when I try to insert it. Sorry.
From what I can tell? It's a yes and no situation. Crisis Core, Advent Children, Crisis Core Reunion, Remake, all have bodies disperse, often into green motes. But, FF7 has a graveyard in Gongaga, implying bodies stick around, and we've seen plenty of blood smears as well, though I feel that's less of a solid point. I think they're making it work this way, whether retroactive or not. Also helps explain why Phoenix Downs aren't used more often, corpses have a very small window of time before they can't be revived. Like the five second rule, but for souls.
Hm. That's odd. My read of the dialogue implied Dyne and Barret got their gun-arms from, if not the same source, sources close enough together that Barret was aware of Dyne's receiving similar surgery. So why are the guns themselves - or, at least, Dyne's gun and Barret's base gun - so different in design? The roles, at least, seem similar - if Dyne's was semi-auto compared to Barret's rotary Gatling-style design, the characters would presumably have noticed the victims having a distinctly lower number of holes in them than Barret's tend to, and Needle Gun's animation implies full-auto in any case.
Are there multiple frontier surgeons willing to replace people's forearms with machine guns? Did Dyne and Barret pick different options from a catalogue of gun-arms?
... I'm overthinking this, aren't I.
In any case, how exactly did Dyne get into the Saucer to shoot all those guards and then make a clean exfiltration if the apparent only way in via the Corel Prison is through the race course?
And, yeah, not seeing a reason for Red XIII's mother to demand Copenhagen tell him Seto fled and died a coward. The whole sequence seems like someone deciding they needed a dungeon, a town, and some forced time in the main party for Red XIII all at once, and not enough effort being put in to connect all of those together properly.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Doesn't the steam version let you stop random battles when you feel like it, via the launcher? I feel like that's an option.
That's actually not blood. Sephiroth has one of those paint canisters on wheels that they use to paint baseball fields.
cB557
voOOP
That doesn't seem odd to me, they went to the same guy and got the same basic surgery but mounted different guns.
Yeah, but, like, why does the guy have multiple options for guns to mount on a person's severed forearm? Is this process that common? That feels contradictory to there being only two known recipients.
I assume that Barret and Dyne provided the guns themselves and basically just went to the dude like "Hey I want you to make this gun become one with my arm" and he went Aww fuck yeah I've been preparing for this
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- Brittany, France
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Remember from the Reactor raids that Shinra's less public-facing security troops are often equipped with weird cyber-gimp suits and mounted arm-cannons and stuff like that; it never gives us much lore about them but I think cybernetics in general might not be that uncommon, so I could totally see a rogue Shinra doctor doing a more, 'DIY homemade' version of his old high-tech surgeries on demand.
cB557
voOOP
Well, I'd figure once you've got a way to detect a specific nerve signal or muscle movement or however it works and translate that into an input to fire, that's probably the hard part done and in principle you can make that work for any tool that you just need two states like firing/not firing for. So like the dude probably doesn't have to invent a gun from scratch specifically for grafting, he can just smith an existing weapon to hook up to the new input.
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- Albion
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- They/Them
Given that Barret's first weapon upgrade, the Assault Gun, was pulled off a recently destroyed giant robotic death scorpion, it seems reasonable to conclude that the guns weren't designed to be arm-mounted, but rather that the arm mount is extremely adjustable.
Don't forget
Aerith's body during the FMV sticks around for a while.
Plus, stuff like the contentious Korean BBQ exists - which probably has meat in it, so what sticks around and what doesn't? Do cows or pigs just not have souls? Is everyone in FFVII a vegetarian? Even if it's just people, without access to cadavers, how did medicine get developed? Medicine clearly exists, not just healing magic, so… did they do all their work on living people?
Sorry for the ramble, but this is really interesting to me. How *would* society be different in a world where people's deaths didn't leave corpses?
The most important change is that there would be no necromancers.
kairuf
(Verified Kaiger) (Not the Siberian)
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- The land of Potatoes
I was going to blow your mind with that, but your mind has already been blown
Oh it gets worse than that, you remember commenting about the strangeness of the remake
They weren't just using Avalanche as scapegoats for a war, they had the plate drop planned to refill Midgar's failing mako reserves.
By having the Avalanche destroy 2 reactors it gives them a reason to raise the prices as supply decreases, before the demand decreases with the death of an 8th of the population.
You could say that they learned from the Gold Saucer/Corel incident. After the destruction of Corel they probably had several years of the reactor not generating sufficient profit until the Gold Saucer was built.
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- Texas
Wait, I got it. Short version: it's all Shinra's fault. Granted, that's the short version of the entire game at this point, so I'll elaborate.
Bodies used to stick around for a while. They degraded pretty quickly, but it could still take a a year or two (for reference, a corpse in a coffin takes around 5 years to be reduced to just a skeleton IRL), and therefore graves were still necessary. Monster are either mako enhanced but otherwise mundane animals, or are basically disjointed spirit echoes, and tend to break down far faster, but still still slow enough to take and treat trophies, hunt certain monsters for food, etc.
But now the pool is being drained. Mako Reactors are actively decreasing the density of spirit energy. Now bodies aren't slowly releasing into the lifestream, they're being sucked in like a drop of water falling on drought stricken soil. It's one of those "everyone knows" details, but everyone also ignores it because, how often does the average joe see someone die in front of them?
Bodies used to stick around for a while. They degraded pretty quickly, but it could still take a a year or two (for reference, a corpse in a coffin takes around 5 years to be reduced to just a skeleton IRL), and therefore graves were still necessary. Monster are either mako enhanced but otherwise mundane animals, or are basically disjointed spirit echoes, and tend to break down far faster, but still still slow enough to take and treat trophies, hunt certain monsters for food, etc.
But now the pool is being drained. Mako Reactors are actively decreasing the density of spirit energy. Now bodies aren't slowly releasing into the lifestream, they're being sucked in like a drop of water falling on drought stricken soil. It's one of those "everyone knows" details, but everyone also ignores it because, how often does the average joe see someone die in front of them?
MiskWisk
Hoot
- Location
- Somewhere devoid of wit
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- He
I mean, this is a lot of work to justify transforming a game abstraction into something that actually happens. It's much simpler to say, "this is visual shorthand for a dead enemy."
Unless people want to start trying to figure out loreful justifications for the ATB system as well. Otherwise I'm just going to mildly disappointed in everyone for not choosing to go all the way.
Unless people want to start trying to figure out loreful justifications for the ATB system as well. Otherwise I'm just going to mildly disappointed in everyone for not choosing to go all the way.
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- Brittany, France
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- He/Him
I love this discussion. "Do corpses in the FF7 setting decay normally or do they scatter into spiritual energy as a matter of course" is the kind of delightfully cracked worldbuilding-by-implication that I love. This is almost definitely not intended by the game, but it makes for fantastic discussion fodder.
To take this point from the other direction - a world in which bodies disappear soon after death is a world in which you can never be sure of what happened to someone if there was no one to see them die. People just... disappear. A heart attack inside your home, a mugging gone wrong, a hit and run, lost in the woods, one of a thousand soldiers shot down in battle? You will simply have disappeared. No one can be sure how you died, or even that you died. It's incredibly easy to get away with murder - but with vigilante justice all the same, and anyone can simply run away and be assumed dead; many people will never know whether to mourn their lost ones or hope for their coming back.
Counterpoint: It's fun, though!
Connelly
As useless as a penguin with mittens
- Location
- Salamanca, Spain
Crazy worldbuilding can be fun, but once we start tearing down the fourth wall wacky things starts to happen fast and deep to the space-time continuum and I don't want us to have to explain why we're responsible for a pataphysical collapse of reality!
Vocalist
Verdant Maiden in Violet
- Location
- By a Cedar Tree
Now that I think about it, I'm certain it has to do with Japanese's lack of articles. In English and French, nouns are (almost) always preceded by an article, and the article comes in definite (the thing, it's been established, you should know which one I mean) and indefinite (a thing, we don't know which one or it doesn't matter) forms. Therefore every noun is marked as definite or indefinite. It's normal.
In Japanese, marking a noun like that is optional and, I suspect, not nearly as simple, so it's only done when the speaker wants to make a big point of it. A definite noun is emphatically definite.
Let me give you the example that inspired me along this line of thinking. In Navajo, which also doesn't have articles, nouns are assumed definite unless specified otherwise. You can mark a noun indefinite by adding lei to the end. My teacher would always translate ashkii as 'the boy'. But ashkii lei wasn't simply 'a boy'. It was 'There was this boy who...'
ApocalypticFish
Been reflecting lately.
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In light of the leaked surprise early announcement of the FFXIV TTRPG, I humbly request that any sort of recap of said title be framed entirely as a tabletop game.