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@Dark as Silver, I'm going to call your plan [X ]Plan Cue Rocky music.
And, damm it, I like it better than mine.
You've got my vote.
And, damm it, I like it better than mine.
You've got my vote.
Legend of the Ronin (Legend of the Five Rings)
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I'm not sure I've got my vote
Still really tempted my Tiny Squids.
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In an attempt to understand what the plans do I'm putting them side by side to compare.
E: Most of the following is wrong, I forgot our Kakita R1 boni, add double Iajutsu to all Initative, add +1k1 to Iajutsu Strike and Focus as far as we care.
Earth 4 (6 pts)
Fire 2 (Agility 5)
Water 2 (Strength->3)
Void 6
Investigation->5 (2 pts)
Kenjutsu->5 (2 pts)
Iajutsu->5 (2 pts)
Sincerity->5 (3 pts)
Courtier->5 (4 pts)
Etiquette->5 (2 pts)
Riding->1 (1 pt)
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k5 = 10k6
Iajutsu assesment 11k6 =10k7 Emphasis
Iajutsu focus 11k6 =10k7
Iajutsu strike 11k5 = 10k6
Investigation 11k6
Kenjutsu 10k5
Sincerity, Courtier Etiquette 11k6
Riding 6k5
Air 5
Earth 5
Fire 2 (Agility 5)
Water 3
Void 5
Important Rolls
Initiative 10k5
Iajutsu assesment 10k5
Iajutsu focus 10k5
Iajutsu strike 10k5
Investigation 10k5
Kenjutsu 10k5
Sincerity, Courtier Etiquette, Poetry, Sadane 10k5
Meditation 6k1
Earth 4
Fire 5
Water 4
Void 5
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k6=10k7
Iajutsu assesment 12k5=10k7
Iajutsu focus 10k7
Iajutsu strike 10k7
Investigation 10k7
Kenjutsu 10k7
Etiquette 10k7
Earth 4
Fire 3 (agility 5)
Water 3
Void 6
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k6=10k7
Iajutsu assesment 12k5=10k7
Iajutsu focus 10k8
Iajutsu strike 10k7
Investigation 10k7
Kenjutsu 10k7
Etiquette 10k7
Courtier 8k5Out of Date
This hasn't helped me much, I would appreciate suggestions if I should put Void 6 into something else (ride and a couple of other skills jump to mind. Possibly also reflex would serve us better at 6)
What I'm taking away from this is I have 3 jobs is the best all round plan however the IR6 builds (Upset the Qm, Rocky music and Sword Mistress) all out do it in combat. I think Rocky is better than Upset as it uses the Courtier Insight mastery to make slightly more effective use of Actions to get our Insight which also leaves us more powerful social wise.
That leaves us on a sliding scale of versatility against combat power going
Low Hanging fruits, Three jobs, Rocky music and then Sword missy.
E: One think I suppose is that only Mistress of Swords seems munchkinned out of the preset options. Ronin has a large variety of weapon skills and Magistrate takes Lore Law. So I'e probably been over stressing about optimisation. Because of this, I'll be voting
[X] Plan Cue Rocky Music.
because it says that over this time Megumi was seeking a deep insight, see back at our first training period rather than train we studied Void, however unlike Mistress of Swords it also touches on other aspects of high court showing that in her own meandering way Megumi is trying to be a good crane. I will be slightly modifiying my plan because of this, getting rid of Void 6 to add some flavour and fluff purchases (also Ride)
E: Most of the following is wrong, I forgot our Kakita R1 boni, add double Iajutsu to all Initative, add +1k1 to Iajutsu Strike and Focus as far as we care.
Air 6 (14 pts)
Earth 4 (6 pts)
Fire 2 (Agility 5)
Water 2 (Strength->3)
Void 6
Investigation->5 (2 pts)
Kenjutsu->5 (2 pts)
Iajutsu->5 (2 pts)
Sincerity->5 (3 pts)
Courtier->5 (4 pts)
Etiquette->5 (2 pts)
Riding->1 (1 pt)
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k5 = 10k6
Iajutsu assesment 11k6 =10k7 Emphasis
Iajutsu focus 11k6 =10k7
Iajutsu strike 11k5 = 10k6
Investigation 11k6
Kenjutsu 10k5
Sincerity, Courtier Etiquette 11k6
Riding 6k5
Air 5
Earth 5
Fire 2 (Agility 5)
Water 3
Void 5
Important Rolls
Initiative 10k5
Iajutsu assesment 10k5
Iajutsu focus 10k5
Iajutsu strike 10k5
Investigation 10k5
Kenjutsu 10k5
Sincerity, Courtier Etiquette, Poetry, Sadane 10k5
Meditation 6k1
Air 5
Earth 4
Fire 5
Water 4
Void 5
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k6=10k7
Iajutsu assesment 12k5=10k7
Iajutsu focus 10k7
Iajutsu strike 10k7
Investigation 10k7
Kenjutsu 10k7
Etiquette 10k7
Air 5
Earth 4
Fire 3 (agility 5)
Water 3
Void 6
Important Rolls
Initiative 11k6=10k7
Iajutsu assesment 12k5=10k7
Iajutsu focus 10k8
Iajutsu strike 10k7
Investigation 10k7
Kenjutsu 10k7
Etiquette 10k7
Courtier 8k5
This hasn't helped me much, I would appreciate suggestions if I should put Void 6 into something else (ride and a couple of other skills jump to mind. Possibly also reflex would serve us better at 6)
What I'm taking away from this is I have 3 jobs is the best all round plan however the IR6 builds (Upset the Qm, Rocky music and Sword Mistress) all out do it in combat. I think Rocky is better than Upset as it uses the Courtier Insight mastery to make slightly more effective use of Actions to get our Insight which also leaves us more powerful social wise.
That leaves us on a sliding scale of versatility against combat power going
Low Hanging fruits, Three jobs, Rocky music and then Sword missy.
E: One think I suppose is that only Mistress of Swords seems munchkinned out of the preset options. Ronin has a large variety of weapon skills and Magistrate takes Lore Law. So I'e probably been over stressing about optimisation. Because of this, I'll be voting
[X] Plan Cue Rocky Music.
because it says that over this time Megumi was seeking a deep insight, see back at our first training period rather than train we studied Void, however unlike Mistress of Swords it also touches on other aspects of high court showing that in her own meandering way Megumi is trying to be a good crane. I will be slightly modifiying my plan because of this, getting rid of Void 6 to add some flavour and fluff purchases (also Ride)
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Sirrocco
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Just to clarify, why not desirable?
I'm seriously considering putting together a Rank 6 version myself, but this seems like a warning, and I want to know what it means before I jump in.
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My guess was that there isn't a Rank 6 skill to pick from. The fact he offered one in the form of Mistress of Swords makes me think that theres nothing inherently wrong with IR6.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
He homebrews the school techniques already.
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I know that, however I don't see the relevance. I believe Gman will provide us with a selection to choose from, like last time, so whatever happens I expect him to have to homebrew ones that will never see play. (Unless NPCs get them)
Schools go from Ranks 1 to 5. To go beyond that you need to join another school or an advanced school. Any arguments that we would be an exception are going to be as inherently meta as arguments that we are not going to be given a R6.
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
I would vote but I don't have a full understanding of the mechanics of this RPG so I have no idea what to vote for.
Well there's two different reasons for lack of desire.
One's the meta 'I'm a lazy git' from my end.
The other is, that I don't see obtaining level 6 without it necessarily requiring me to stack the deck more against Megumi. And on some level I like Megumi, I want her to succeed.
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Ok.
So, GM has spoken, and level 5 is his prefered.
I'll run with that.
[x] Plan My LAST PLAN!!!
Requirements for Rank, first. 6 at 5. Best efficency, start with the highest.
Etiquette 3->5(2 actions)
Sincerity 2->5(3 actions)
Iaijutsu 3->5(2 actions)
Kenjutsu 3->5(2 actions)
Investigation 3->5(2 actions)
Courtier 1->5(4 actions)
Horsemanship->1(1 actions)
Going al the way to Void 7. That'll give us a Void raise per Rank. 10 actions.
Air 5, 6 actions.
Earth 4, 6 actions.
Agility 6, 8 actions.
Strength 3, 2 actions.
O a month by month,
Month 1)
Sincerity 3
Iaijutsu 4
Courtier 2
Kenjutsu 4
Reflexes 4
Stamina 3
Month 2)
Void 5
Courtier 3
Horsemanship1
Agility 4
Strength 3
Rank 3 (6 Level 3 skills, Insight total 194)
Month 3)
Iaijutsu 5
Kenjutsu 5
Etiquette 4
Investigation 4
Awareness 5
Willpower 4
Month 4)
Void 6
Agility 5
Etiquette 5
Investigation 5
Rank 4 (4 Level 5 skills, Insight total 210)
Month 5)
Sincerity 4
Courtier 4
Reflexes 5
Agility 6
Month 6)
Void 7
Stamina 4
Sincerity 5
Courtier 5
Rank 5. (6 Level 5 skills, insight total 244)
So, GM has spoken, and level 5 is his prefered.
I'll run with that.
[x] Plan My LAST PLAN!!!
Requirements for Rank, first. 6 at 5. Best efficency, start with the highest.
Etiquette 3->5(2 actions)
Sincerity 2->5(3 actions)
Iaijutsu 3->5(2 actions)
Kenjutsu 3->5(2 actions)
Investigation 3->5(2 actions)
Courtier 1->5(4 actions)
Horsemanship->1(1 actions)
Going al the way to Void 7. That'll give us a Void raise per Rank. 10 actions.
Air 5, 6 actions.
Earth 4, 6 actions.
Agility 6, 8 actions.
Strength 3, 2 actions.
O a month by month,
Month 1)
Sincerity 3
Iaijutsu 4
Courtier 2
Kenjutsu 4
Reflexes 4
Stamina 3
Month 2)
Void 5
Courtier 3
Horsemanship1
Agility 4
Strength 3
Rank 3 (6 Level 3 skills, Insight total 194)
Month 3)
Iaijutsu 5
Kenjutsu 5
Etiquette 4
Investigation 4
Awareness 5
Willpower 4
Month 4)
Void 6
Agility 5
Etiquette 5
Investigation 5
Rank 4 (4 Level 5 skills, Insight total 210)
Month 5)
Sincerity 4
Courtier 4
Reflexes 5
Agility 6
Month 6)
Void 7
Stamina 4
Sincerity 5
Courtier 5
Rank 5. (6 Level 5 skills, insight total 244)
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I don't believe it, hes finally dropped Tea Ceremony.
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Nobody was going to vote for it, so, not much point.
I still like it, though.
Vote tally:
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[x] Plan I Have Three Jobs
No. of votes: 1
Sirrocco
[X] Plan Cue Rocky Music.
No. of votes: 1
Dark as Silver
[x] Plan My LAST PLAN!!!
No. of votes: 1
Simonbob
Alright so it looks like a three way tie with not enough votes.
In other news, I have 69 thread marks, this amuses me more than it should.
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[x] Plan I Have Three Jobs
No. of votes: 1
Sirrocco
[X] Plan Cue Rocky Music.
No. of votes: 1
Dark as Silver
[x] Plan My LAST PLAN!!!
No. of votes: 1
Simonbob
Alright so it looks like a three way tie with not enough votes.
In other news, I have 69 thread marks, this amuses me more than it should.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
So, to simplify the selection process... end states.
Plan Cue Rocky Music is going for Rank 6. We have WoQM that this is a Bad Plan. In particular, if we grab Rank 6, we'll face Rank 6 threats... and while we can cheese our way into the rank itself, we are not ready for Rank 6 threats. Also, it will be upsetting to the QM. I generally try to avoid this on general principles
The two remaining plans have identical endstates on skills. That's easy enough. Kenjutsu/Iajutsu/Etiquette/Courtier/Sincerity at 5, Horsemanship at 1.
Both plans take Earth to 4 and Strength to 3. Also easy.
beyond that, stalines are a bit different.
Plan I Have Three Jobs:
Awareness->6, Reflexes->6
Agility->5
Void->6
Plan My LAST PLAN:
Awareness->5, Reflexes->5
Agility->6
Void->7
In this one, Have Three Jobs is a bit stronger with the social skills, and harder to hit. LAST PLAN is better at hitting people, and more in tune with the Void. Similare, but distinct.
The real difference is in the school ranks that we're aiming for. This one is a little fuzzier than the hard numbers above, so a bit of subjective is going to leak in.
- Plan I Have Three Jobs is the comparatively conservative play. It's aiming for one clearly duel-focused technique, one clearly social-focused technique, and one clearly Void-focused technique The Void-focused technique is likely to be flavored with Investigation, though it might also touch on Stamina/Earth and/or Ride. Basicall, this plan aims to use our school techniques to make us better across the board at everything we're good at, and the level of thematic coherence in the level-ups will mean that we'll likely have a few options for how each of those shows forth.
- Plan LAST PLAN is an aggressive play that's hoping for some luck. In particular, every rank up it gets has a point of void in it - hoping for solid void-based techniques to go with our existing Unity of the World. In order to do this, though, it winds up spreading its skills around. With each rank up having only one point of Void in it (less than half the insight for that rank) we'll likely get only one fo the three options being void-based. If I'm incorrect about how @gman391 is handling this, and we don't get three choices per, then it's a roll of the dice each time. Regardless, if we do have a degree of control, we will likely be able to grab two or three more solid void-based techniques - which could be quite strong, given Void 7... or might not be, if the techniques themselves wind up being anemic, or giving us things that we don't actually want or need. It's the riskier play, overall.
tl:dr - school techniques are the big difference. Three Jobs gives us a degree of control over details. We can be pretty sure we'll be getting solid, useful stuff. LAST PLAN is gambling. Could give us awesome, could give us drek.
Now, votes? Could we have more votes?
Plan Cue Rocky Music is going for Rank 6. We have WoQM that this is a Bad Plan. In particular, if we grab Rank 6, we'll face Rank 6 threats... and while we can cheese our way into the rank itself, we are not ready for Rank 6 threats. Also, it will be upsetting to the QM. I generally try to avoid this on general principles
The two remaining plans have identical endstates on skills. That's easy enough. Kenjutsu/Iajutsu/Etiquette/Courtier/Sincerity at 5, Horsemanship at 1.
Both plans take Earth to 4 and Strength to 3. Also easy.
beyond that, stalines are a bit different.
Plan I Have Three Jobs:
Awareness->6, Reflexes->6
Agility->5
Void->6
Plan My LAST PLAN:
Awareness->5, Reflexes->5
Agility->6
Void->7
In this one, Have Three Jobs is a bit stronger with the social skills, and harder to hit. LAST PLAN is better at hitting people, and more in tune with the Void. Similare, but distinct.
The real difference is in the school ranks that we're aiming for. This one is a little fuzzier than the hard numbers above, so a bit of subjective is going to leak in.
- Plan I Have Three Jobs is the comparatively conservative play. It's aiming for one clearly duel-focused technique, one clearly social-focused technique, and one clearly Void-focused technique The Void-focused technique is likely to be flavored with Investigation, though it might also touch on Stamina/Earth and/or Ride. Basicall, this plan aims to use our school techniques to make us better across the board at everything we're good at, and the level of thematic coherence in the level-ups will mean that we'll likely have a few options for how each of those shows forth.
- Plan LAST PLAN is an aggressive play that's hoping for some luck. In particular, every rank up it gets has a point of void in it - hoping for solid void-based techniques to go with our existing Unity of the World. In order to do this, though, it winds up spreading its skills around. With each rank up having only one point of Void in it (less than half the insight for that rank) we'll likely get only one fo the three options being void-based. If I'm incorrect about how @gman391 is handling this, and we don't get three choices per, then it's a roll of the dice each time. Regardless, if we do have a degree of control, we will likely be able to grab two or three more solid void-based techniques - which could be quite strong, given Void 7... or might not be, if the techniques themselves wind up being anemic, or giving us things that we don't actually want or need. It's the riskier play, overall.
tl:dr - school techniques are the big difference. Three Jobs gives us a degree of control over details. We can be pretty sure we'll be getting solid, useful stuff. LAST PLAN is gambling. Could give us awesome, could give us drek.
Now, votes? Could we have more votes?
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Sirrocco
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That could quite easily come in under the Rank 5 slot. (Kenjutsu->5, Iajutsu->5, pushign Str/Agi/Ref). It's a bit late in the process, but it's an entirely reasonable gain set for it.
I was more looking at your analysis for techs you wanted.
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[X] Plan LAST PLAN
We started our training with a probably bad decision to level Void, may as well commit.
We started our training with a probably bad decision to level Void, may as well commit.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
It's true. I did leave that one out.
I guess I'd pretty much figured that either it would force its way in or it wouldn't really be available in the first place. Hadn't been thinking about it.
Fair enough, although you are right, barring some sort of insane plan to take underwater basket weaving and every lore you can get your hands on to rank 10, an SAA will be available at some point.
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[Q] Plan basket weaving.
Gman said that if we went IR6 we'd fight IR6 opponents therefore if we spec basket weaving we fight baskets.
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Thanks.
So, potential 3's.
Option 1) Simple Attacks with Samurai Weapons.
Option 2)Based on Kitsuki Investigators Rank 3, after a few seconds of conversation with somebody, we can roll Investigation/Void, to pick up the info that is avalable in Iajitsu Duels. Target number, Awarness X 5.
Option 3)Inspired by Hiruma Rank 3, add Void to Armour TN for one attack each round.
Potential 4's
Option 1) Simple Attacks with Samurai Weapons.
Option 2) Yoritomo Bushi 4, (If move at least 5 feet, +10 to AC until next action. Could replace the Knockdown with called shots or something.)
Option 3)Yoritomo Courtier 4 variant, Sincerity/Void Vs Courtier/Void, if we win, they can't spend Void, and are, say, one unkept dice down against us for the scene.
Potential 5's
Option 1)Rank 5 Shiba Bushi, Spend Void point, effects as 2.
Option 2)Extend the Kitsuki Info gatherable to include Taint and Non-human stuff?
Option 3) Whenever we spend a Void point, we also get our Void in points to add to any roll/target number we choose.
There's a few ideas.
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Theres nothing that screams duelist there. Shiba Bushi and add Void to rolls or TN is probably the best as if we can force people to have to effectively call half raises to win focus in a duel its kind of a big deal and also more efficent Void is a multiplier so its slightly crazy when you've 6 or 7. Probably something that might help us more though would be something that allows us to spend any number of Void points in a round so that we can crush all the rolls.
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Level 4, Option 3. Our enemy can't spend Void, and is down a unkept dice.
But, you're right, most isn't pure duelist. I was looking at a range of options, to help in more than one way, in general.
But, if you don't like them, you could come up with a few.
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