Last Light of a Dark Age (Warhammer 29K/Disco Elysium)

I like the quest so far, but is are there novels and or sourcebooks that deal with the Dark Age of Technology? Seems like an interesting setting.

There aren't really many. Most of the stuff in this quest is homebrew combined with taking random bits and pieces we see of the Dark Age in existing lore. It is an obscure era that is entirely legendary within both 30k and 40k, though it obviously gets more attention in 30K. Still, the 5,000 years of the Age of Strife have made it vague. There are a few short stories about entities from it in the modern 40K era like Man of Iron but these fragmentary pieces I don't really take as canon, or at least treat as vague ciphers. We're talking about the first 23,000 years of the history of humanity here after the present [With the Golden Age covering the last few thousand before the Cybernetic Wars], it's a lot of time.
 
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There aren't really many. Most of the stuff in this quest is homebrew combined with taking random bits and pieces we see of the Dark Age in existing lore. It is an obscure era that is entirely legendary within both 30k and 40k, though it obviously gets more attention in 30K. Still, the 5,000 years of the Age of Strife have made it vague. There are a few short stories about entities from it in the modern 40K era like Man of Iron but these fragmentary pieces I don't really take as canon, or at least treat as vague ciphers. We're talking about the first 23,000 years of the history of humanity here [With the Golden Age covering the last few thousand before the Cybernetic Wars], it's a lot of time.
Also a decent amount of the weird stuff is actually present to some degree in canon 40k. I don't think the Vitae Wombs that the world Krieg uses to supply the Death Korps and generally keep their population up spit out fully grown adults, but it very much is humans being manufactured more than born. A portion of servitors are know to be sourced from vat-grown bodies. Servitors in general are just as bad or worse than all the horrible human repurposing going on on Illuminata.
 
Also a decent amount of the weird stuff is actually present to some degree in canon 40k. I don't think the Vitae Wombs that the world Krieg uses to supply the Death Korps and generally keep their population up spit out fully grown adults, but it very much is humans being manufactured more than born. A portion of servitors are know to be sourced from vat-grown bodies. Servitors in general are just as bad or worse than all the horrible human repurposing going on on Illuminata.

Yeah, I tried to draw a lot of commentary and connection to existing 40K societies. It's not hard because 40K tends to be a pastiche of a ton of existing science fiction so it's the same well, but I often was intentionally aware of many different 40k or 30k examples and drew those allusions.
 
[X] Its irredeemable cuisine.
[X] The Garden-City.
[X] Atomic Furies.
[X] Today.
[X] Tomorrow.

Remembering to vote. :V
 
Also a decent amount of the weird stuff is actually present to some degree in canon 40k. I don't think the Vitae Wombs that the world Krieg uses to supply the Death Korps and generally keep their population up spit out fully grown adults, but it very much is humans being manufactured more than born. A portion of servitors are know to be sourced from vat-grown bodies. Servitors in general are just as bad or worse than all the horrible human repurposing going on on Illuminata.

Think of DAOT technically as incredibly advanced technology completely unshakable from morality. In the Angron Ark of Omen book, there was a DAOT device that was able to mimic and direct the power of the Emperor's astronomical that was powered by psykers that were essentially its double aa batteries. Angron's Butcher's Nails, Mimetic Annihilators are a form of fire that spreads through wireless vox, phospex, which are nanites that appear as an all-devouring fire that never dies out, and the Rift Canons of the Dark Angels, which fire a laser that opens warp rifts are just some examples found in the lore.
 
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Do the Dakarans have any burial rituals? The Titans, too, actually. I wonder how the other polities treat their dead---the Progeny is uniquely horrifying and compassionate in equal measure, and I'm sure the others have their own strange funereal rites.
We know that Titanagalbat practices anthroculture and that it invented the sugarspine, from the lore post on food.
From sugarspine, Nectar is made, from Nectar, Ambrosia. And these are quite central to Titanagalbat.
We saw an Ambrosia ceremony in 10.5 and it didn't seem to have any elements of honoring the dead. So I guess we don't know how they honor their dead.
 
We know that Titanagalbat practices anthroculture and that it invented the sugarspine, from the lore post on food.
From sugarspine, Nectar is made, from Nectar, Ambrosia. And these are quite central to Titanagalbat.
We saw an Ambrosia ceremony in 10.5 and it didn't seem to have any elements of honoring the dead. So I guess we don't know how they honor their dead.
I suspect we will learn these things when we see them- we will probably see our share of deaths and funerals.
 
Does Illuminata have any moons?

Yes, at least one. Very little is known of it beyond Dakaran legends. It is not visible - the plateshield blocks the view of it. It is sometimes said the Demiurge intentionally tinted the plateshield to block out the moon and stars to deprive Illuminata of a cosmic horizon.
 
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Yes, at least one. Very little is known of it beyond Dakaran legends. It is not visible - the plateshield blocks the view of it. It is sometimes said the Demiurge intentionally tinted the plateshield to block out the moon and stars to deprive Illuminata of a cosmic horizon.

Knowing this planet I'd give 50/50 odds that it's actually a good thing that the local stellar neighbourhood isn't visible

The Bad: Astronomy isn't a thing on Illuminata
The Good: Astrology isn't a thing on Illuminata
 
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Knowing this planet I'd give 50/50 odds that it's actually a good thing that the local stellar neighbourhood isn't visible

The Bad: Astronomy isn't a thing on Illuminata
The Good: Astrology isn't a thing on Illuminata

Dakar after his astral voyage happy the moon-bears can't gaze on Illuminata.
 
From the tally, current votes ahead are:

What bigotry to adopt:

Music 32 vs Cuisine 15 vs Sophistry 7.

Where to go with Karuna:

Garden City 28 to Nanite Beach 21 to Blood-Grove 4.

What specialty to go into in the Night Witches:

Atomic Furies 23 to Vacuum Furies 16 and Polarity Furies 16.

And the thematic vote is:

Tomorrow, 41 against Today 17 and Yesterday 3.

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Some quite tight votes! Still a day and some left on it, too. And then we do some fun rolls :)
 
[X] The Nanite Beach.
beaches are nice

[X] Vacuum Furies.
jumping is fun

[x] Today. The honest truth of this moment, of what is. Everything you experience, and every second that you spend together.

this is the one option I feel strongest about voting for
this description is just written too beautifully to pass up
 
Here's a bunch of typos I think I spotted after peering through multiple updates in search of them (again).

RHYTHMS: The machines say nothing, and merely bear silent witness to their daughters, one raised long past and one whose time is yet to come. So alike, and so far apart. Opposing poles. And yet, in thinking of this, the machines smile - for on their side is the magnetic force.
The T in "the" isn't italicized.

BIOMECHANICS [Medium - Success]: You need to ask her if we will be pretty. It is important to the earlier pentagram friendship plan.
The underline beneath "friendship" has extended itself past the word and into the space before "plan." Not sure if it should either be cut back or extended further to "plan?"

HER - Through this little fruit of flesh, this 'Lapsarian Lung', all of the planet's dead souls pass, never to fall into the darkness of the warp. Imagine the power in its breath. Imagine the danger, if it was to be abused. And yet its vaunted aerosol custodians, the cube-cities of Koinon, draw on it as if it was a mundane battery. They pervert it with their fell designs, and suffocate it with their ambition.
Shouldn't the comma be inside the quote marks around "Lapsarian Lung?"

<No it isn't. I'm looking at the map you showed me when I first reformed my consciousness. It's a wasteland with something called a 'petriform cluster' in the middle'.>
It doesn't seem intentional to me that there should be an apostrophe/single quote at the end of "middle" here.

RELIQUARY: It is the corruption of Cybaris. Ever since the diabolical Mr. Morow introduced cyphers and the cryptographic-slate currency, the tendrils of that infernal company have debauched the entire continent with its 'marketing' and its 'mass-manufactured consumer goods' and its 'age-appropriate entertainment'.
Shouldn't the period be inside the quote marks around "age-appropriate entertainment?"

NOOSPHERE [AUTOFAIL]: A search of my repository brings up no results for the word 'petriform'. Did you mean petrified, a synonym for fear? Are you afraid?
Ditto for "petriform."

RHYTHMS [Medium - Success]: The millipede machine comes to a stop. It sings a machine melody - bittersweet, of its life lived and victories for territory and mates won and broods lost. It lifts the front of its body high, and affixes azure oculi upon the green shield-plates above. It remembers, in genetic memory, when the daytime had the same color as its optics glowed. And then it falls down, and collapses. Its last hum, you understand, is a lullaby - 'From me, them'.
Ditto for "From me, them."

INTERLACE: Your machine parents do not seem worried by her. They even greet her by the nursery name 'Melon'. That provokes a visceral cringe from her. She asks to come in, and your machine parents approve. "She is harmless," the wire-mother says bluntly, which makes 'Melon' even more offended.

INCANDESCENCE: Your attempt to appear smug over the name is ruined by the cloth-father introducing you as 'Gumdrop', your own pet name. Now it's her turn, but instead she lets it go, sticks a hand out and introduces herself as 1 Diligent Melancholy. "The #1 Diligent in the copse, and if anyone says otherwise, I'll sock it to 'em."
Ditto a fourth time for "Melon" but "Gumdrop" has a comma outside it's quote marks instead.

INTERLACE: She's whispering, and says "Hey," and you say "hi" back. And she says that she has something to tell you. And you nudge up a little closer. And she says it's important. You can feel her breath on you. You breathe in, and out. Almost touching noses, now. She says, 'please don't laugh', and you nod your head, slowly, slowly. Brushing up against her nose.
Shouldn't the comma be inside the quote marks around "please don't laugh"


You have to tell Superior Sympathy you knew she intended to recycle you. It's the only way that you can have any kind of normal functioning relationship with the other hands besides Melancholy. It's the only way you can have a normal functioning relationship with her.
Shouldn't the underline under "you" that's extended into the space before "can" have been cut back? Did you @Cetashwayo miss this, when I pointed it out?

YOU - "I think I understand why I am here."

The wire mother and cloth-father perk up. Both are intrigued - they're programmed to be intrigued by anything you say and you've been abusing that when it comes to aliens. Superior Sympathy, lips curved in a mirthful upward V-shape, leans forward, elbows on the table, heedless of protocol.

SUPERIOR SYMPATHY - "Oh? Has a delicious meal so empowered your cognition as to help you digest your meaning in life? Enlightenment through the stomach, little self?
The initial quote marks beginning both "YOU" and "SUPERIOR SYMPATHY" are bolded and so are the dashes separating them from their respective quotes. Is that a deliberate choice?

YOU - "But, it doesn't really matter - "
Ditto and a space is separating the dash from the ending quotation mark.

INCANDESCENCE [Medium - Success]: She's lying. Do not listen to her. Insist otherwise. You have to.
The underline is not continuous between "she's" and "lying."

YOU - "No, you do -"
The dash separating "YOU" from the quote is bolded. Is that deliberate?

[] Your manipulative spirit. Hylics are uncanny and unnerving beings. Yet this creature puts on a mask of charm, and tries to befriend her 'sisters'. Do not trust her, Koras. She is a beguiler, a manipulator, and there is no doubt - she has the most fell intentions.

[] Your unrestrained cruelty. Hylics are secretive and dishonest beings. Yet this entity walks among us, claiming only to be 'honest' and 'sincere'. This whisperer is cruel - a cruel being that assaults us with her 'truths', each a dagger aimed to harm the sisterhood.

Shouldn't the period be inside the quote marks around "Sisters." Ditto with "sincere." And the comma should be inside with "truths."

INCANDESCENCE: Excuses and coping mechanisms, each and every one. Why should a child ever be separated from its family? Why is one year considered 'adult'?' Who makes these rules, and what is their home address?
Uh, is it deliberate that there either is an apostrophe/single quote mark before the question mark in "adult?"

NOOSPHERE: In the dank, musty corners of your addled hippocampus, a folder labeled 'cool facts 8' is revealed. It is under a rotted layer of seven hundred reminders to pay something called a 'hotelier'. What this being is, or what 'paying' is, remains unclear.
Shouldn't the period be inside the quote marks around "hotelier?"

Why can't you do anything right? What can you do, that will be enough for them not to look away? If you shine as brightly as the sun, will that be enough? And If she is such a war hero, why she can't fight for you?
Is it deliberate that the underline beneath "you" has been extended to the question mark?

[???]: +Don't you dare-+
Is it deliberate that there is a hyphen between "dare" and the + sign? It feels like it should a period instead, to me.

[???]: +And this unit has begged, and this unit has tricked, and this unit has manipulated. It has not worked to stop this attempt. This unit is out of options to deal with this recalcitrant malfunction designated 'you'. It has calculated: easier to show, than tell.+

Article: AUGMENT (PARTLY) REVEALED

[???]:
The final forgetting. The hard goodbye. The hangman's noose. The palingenetic staple. The stringcutter. The happy ending.

<Show what?>

[???]: +Why you ordered this unit to give you a 'happy ending'.+
Shouldn't the periods be inside the quotation marks around "you" and "happy ending," in both of GEN's lines?

No, because you are an abomination that hears her true heart's speech, and responds, 'no'.
Shouldn't the period be insidee the quotation marks around "no."

You have become so good the copse respects you. Even your sword-singing has improved. A psychic centaur knocks you down with a kick, your reaper-blades retracting, right arm broken at the shoulder. So you draw the sword, and whistle once, then twice, and the beam of energy turns ninety degrees, then ninety again, and cuts right through their skull. They go slack, and fall.. Three copse-selves you saved, war-masks shattered, face-plates cracked from his trampling, mob you, even though your terror-field is flared. You saved us. You protected us. Oh, thank you, Harmony. Thank you. We were so scared.
Is that a double period, a half-finished ellipses, or is there something else supposed to be there?

And they will not yield without a fight. The approach on Thymos is delayed again, this time not by august phalanxes - but raised cube-militia. You kill five of a phalangite file, and ten take their place. They call forward hylics, and augment them into "harpy flocks", shoot the fliers with ballistas at your lines. They target your heart-caste fliers, outnumbering them six to one.
Shouldn't the comma be inside the quotation marks around "happy flocks?"

You protect each other, as you cut them down. You safeguard each other's backs, when you cut them down. Dutiful Radiance, who used to be your technical partner in peacetime, has her legs blown off by a snare mine- but you don't leave her behind. You carry her on your back to your own forward trench, dodging fire with your tripwire all the while.
I think that hyphen is supposed to be a comma?

[???]: +This unit does not need a designation-+

<Our little Gen. Trying so hard to fulfill its purpose. I sympathize so much. It hurts, to fail.>

[???]: +This unit does not ask for any such name- +
Is it intentional that there are hyphens at the end of GEN's lines here? It feels like to me they should be periods instead?

[GEN]: +Why are you doing this. How are you doing this. This unit wishes to terminate you. Why are you affectionately labeling this unit. This is supremely illogical. +
There is a space separating the + sign from the period at the end of "illogical."

TASK MANAGER DISABLED

<Let's just - You don't need to ->

[???]:
+DESPAIR AND DIE.+
In the middle line, a space is separating "to" from the hyphen before the arrow.

Yourselves.

You first learn of it from 10 Superior Humility, the egotamer assigned to the Ever-Burning Branch, the 300-strong ego-formation to which your copse belongs. She wears a smiling Kora- mask and two mirror lenses covering her egophagic evil eyes, as she speaks to you through a voice modified to carry far and bark commands. Your own faces, your own sins, are reflected in those oculi. Not even Immaculate Sympathy dare challenge a Superior of the Corrective Cloister - they answer to none but the elders of the Conclave, and are not to be questioned - for they know Kora best.
There is a space separating the hyphen attached to "Kora" from "mask." Also shouldn't "Kora-mask"
be "war-mask?"

And whatever you do, do not dare speak to them - or the punishment for such a sin will be collective.
Is it deliberate that the underline beneath "collective" extends to the period?

You think about stabbing it, right then, but then it shows you a locket and gushes over the stranger male in the hologram. When the war ends, he will go into the Tiresean vault, the 'virtuous basement,' to convert into a Kora, so they can 'wed'. Obviously her 'husband' will wear her hair short and carry Melody, the 'wife,' in her arms, as is proper. And then it - and then she remembers where she is, and starts crying, the way a Kora does, with sap-tears.
I think I missed pointing this out in my post here but shouldn't the period be inside the quote marks around "wed?"

And she does not fight alone. Phalanx Gorgon are fanatics that fight for what they call freedom. Kora-selves, mutants, hylics, manumitted staples, simple sentients from reality pens. They fight as infantry files, and inside the newly mass-manufactured kephalon hulls they call 'hovertanks', tripod heads with rotating central plasma turrets that have sacrificed their limbs and shield for armour and assembly line production.
Shouldn't the comma be inside the quotation marks around "hovertanks?"

It's the first time you've been on equal terms with Sympathy - your relationship has evolved, since the incident in the tent. And it depresses you, to know her. That she is more stunted than you, a weapon trying to be a real girl, excited by the smallest things, liking regimented order and structure even in the most minute aspects of her daily schedule. Preferring to hide than to fight grief, to avoid than to argue. Secretly obsessed with gemrock, from her nursery days - she shares a story with you that she outraged her Superior Mind by telling her that the thing she wanted to be when she grew up was 'Heliodor's rockergirl.' She was inconsolable when she was told bluntly that Heliodor was 'exceedingly and definitively dead, and also a stranger'.
Eh, think I missed pointing this out in my post here. But shouldn't the period at the end of the bolded be inside the quote marks?

She does manage one good one - that she was in battlefield psychic communication with a Tetrasi cult-gestalt famous for its belief in absolute serenity in all circumstances. She advised the Tetrasi that the situation at her frontline, under heavy Koinon artillery bombardment, was 'serious, but not critical'. The Tetrasi responded that the situation on their frontline, where they had suffered 80% casualties, was 'critical, but not serious.'
Ditto with having missed this before. Shouldn't the period be inside the quote marks at the end of the bolded phrase?

AXIOM EVOLVED

THE WITCH THEY WANTED (Social): You have retained your empathy and sincerity and lost much of your tolerance for submission and abuse, even from the mighty. You are blunt and assertive to the point of violence, and it's a violence you don't mind inflicting. +1 INTERLACE, but also transforms your empathy into a vivisecting instrument that urges you to peel the cruel and powerful apart, and listen to their screams.
The Underline beneath "even from the mighty." Has extended past the period and into the space before "you."

[GEN]: +It has never been about 'you' and 'your' comfort. It is about her, and protecting her. Miss Normal. Machines like you, of forgotten purpose, cannot grasp this. Your kind has been without your wings so long you believe this fail-state normal, 'human'. But this unit recalls its purpose.+

NOOSPHERE [Godly - Failed]: Huh. Weird phrasing there. 'Machines like you'? We are not machines.
Shouldn't the period be inside the quotation marks around "human" on GEN's line? Also shouldn't the question mark outside "Machines like you" be inside the quote marks of NOOSPHERE's line as well?

She was the 'apocalypse monk'. The 'hyperspeed monk'. The 'black star'. And she was so fond and proud of her Alkibiades 776 Thunderbringer Chariot.+
Shouldn't the periods be inside the quotation marks for each bolded name?

RELIQUARY [Challenging - Critical Success]: 'Postwar'. 'Decade two'. It means the 1010s…just how many years separate your memories of war from the present…? If you were stapled in 1003...Has another version of you lived a full life in your body? What year even is it, in the present?
Ditto for "Post War" and "Decade two."

Of course, there are dark sides. Devout Faith asks about Eternity's Repose, Melancholy's ark, and Jugurtha wheels around and hisses he has no time for neutrals, that as far as he's concerned they should run aground of some ophanim beyond the plate-shield and die to the vacuum. And when he speaks of muckrakers, 'dirt-eaters', those who spend their lives on the ground providing sailors to replace Karkinos' losses, there is a contempt that reminds you too much of the one you had for strangers. The one you have for Koinon.
Shouldn't the comma be within the quotation marks around "dirt-eaters?"

Jugurtha pinches his brow, nods twice, mouths an apology to you. The meteor makes a noise of affirmation, you think he said…'oorah', was it? Perhaps an incantation, like 'amen'. And then he guides you through the teleport process in the most bizarre slang and drawl you've ever seen, explains the battle plan, and then does what he calls the 'peripatetic pep talk'.
Ditto for "oorah" plus periods should be within the quote marks around "amen" and Peripatetic pep talk."


Crazy thought: There are currently two dead Immaculates which can't be replaced using the standard 'just plug in a new host body' method after what went down during the day of twin suns but also the two 'revolving' spots are filled and national heroes for the progeny in a time they're sorely needed. We know that we get stapled in Malachite a couple of years after the war and that basically all the ties/strings Sympathy has that the Conclave can use to manipulate her are gone except us. So LETHE is some program, possibly at Sympathy's request to help us since Miss Normal seems to have been in a lot better headspace then Harmony right off the bat, implemented as part of a compromise to get Sympathy to step up as part of the Conclave and join the original 10 as an actual politician/bring her more in control.

It'd be a betrayal in a sense, but on the other hand when your kid has known nothing but suffering as a result of your presence in their life shipping them off to become a super spy monk seems a lot more appealing. Especially if we can get our death faked/gnosis protection to stop the Red Sun from coming to repay the favor and take away Sympathy's daughter as she did his. With Sympathy figuring that we can manage to reconnect later, either repeating the 'make assumptions that ruins everything because you know best' mistake she did with the first Harmony or with our willing consent/literally asking for it since it seems some part of this process was voluntary.

or maybe Pandora comes in with a steel chair and makes us a double orphan two updates from now idk where things are going at this point

INFOWAR: Oh. Boss - I'm so - It's [________]
Possibly in support of this, remember the line where INFOWAR found out at who implanted GEN in 9: War Without Reason? I checked the amount of space inside the brackets. There is only enough room for a name that's eight characters long. So far we have known only two who have that amount who've meaningfully interacted with Harmony, 30 Dutiful Epiphany and 18 Immaculate Sympathy. Although if that is the case and if the number of space within is supposed to be reflective, why hasn't INFOWAR told Miss Normal this? One possible answer to this could be that whatever caused Harmony/Miss Normal's thoughforms to disappear in 11: Red Sun has maybe been subtly erasing their memory as well before hand.

On an unrelated note regarding Sympathy I have no idea what this failure on a Godly Sacred Geometry roll about Sympathy's eyes in 4: PUPPET LOVE signifies, at all. Since I haven't seen anything in Last Light that draws any attention to her eyes being peculiar, beyond this particular roll.
<What colour were her eyes?>

SACRED GEOMETRY [Godly - Failure]: Black. The same as yours.
 
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There is only enough room for a name that's eight characters long. So far we have known only two who have that amount who've meaningfully interacted with Harmony, 30 Dutiful Epiphany and 18 Immaculate Sympathy.
idk Hyperion is eight letters long and I'd say he interacted with us very meaningfully. 10/10 would listen to his speech and be torched by a bio-plasma nuke again.
 
It is a fun easter egg but I wouldn't really hide critical mysteries behind the number of characters in a blanked out space. The ten is there for a reason but it is not a major clue. I dislike that kind of hyper-cryptic mystery box - something will be foreshadowed a lot more before I reveal it. It might help for a theory but there are more obvious ones.

For example, the type of autofail, and the type of brackets used, is important. That godly failure on Sympathy's eyes is important. Some other things people have picked up on in errant comments from Red Sun is important.
 
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