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Huh, I wonder how the moa fair on Australia. I would think it would be a bit dry for them, but then again, we really don't know how adaptable the birds were.
Some things are too good to pass up.
Moas were browsers with quite a flexible diet, judging by the preserved remains: a variety of trees, shrubs and other plants. They even ate the twigs; their beaks were like secaturs. So I expect that they could find plenty of food in Australia,. Actual eucalypt leaves may be too toxic for them (they are for most animals), but there's plenty of other undergrowth in the bush which the moas should be able to adapt to readily enough.Huh, I wonder how the moa fair on Australia. I would think it would be a bit dry for them, but then again, we really don't know how adaptable the birds were.
Glad you liked it. This was an interesting piece to write; it's a fusion of various real developments in Maori culture (from different periods) with some variations based on how things might have developed based on changed circumstances.As usual a fascinatingly detailed piece, you convey the passage of time, the development of culture and summarize traditions, ideologies, religions in such a vivid and eloquent manner, that flows brilliantly and is truly engaging to read!
Was a bit thrown by stuff like cannibalism and slavery, but anyway, really cool stuff. I felt so bad for the birds that got wiped out, the inadvertent conservation done by other nobles is kind of hilarious, especially from an outsider context.
The existence of the god stones and ideas behind Mana are fascinating, original and just generally super cool, kudos. I loved the various pieces of early exploration, how that tradition still survives to varying degrees and the foundations being laid and built upon to craft a unique, thriving society that feels truly lived in and engaging with the world, changing and bring change as it goes.
As always, amazing work, thanks for sharing!
Oh, yes. Perhaps 3.5 to 4 million people, although I haven't specified exact numbers. The carrying capacity of NZ would probably be that high, or close to it.So we have a much more populous New Zealand, thanks to the importation of Red Yams, Wattles, and domestic animals from Australia.
Fair enough that makes a great deal of sense, thanks for sharing!Glad you liked it. This was an interesting piece to write; it's a fusion of various real developments in Maori culture (from different periods) with some variations based on how things might have developed based on changed circumstances.
The cannibalism and slavery is unpleasant, but directly taken from real history. I didn't think it plausible that it would be removed completely, although I did have the cannibalism evolve into being a case of ritual cannibalism on rare occasions, rather than being commonplace.
The presence of colonialism and slavery is not pleasant to describe, but in vein with the actual historical trends of the time, there was no real way to avoid it.A very interesting and intense chapter, the institution of open slavery was utterly heartbreaking and while I grasp why they could do little there I wish they could have, regardless, what was done and what followed and how it developed was very intriguing and made a great deal of sense!
Sorry there's not a lot I can add here, but the development of colonies, and the plantations and such all was very well handled, just depressing as well.
The Congxie have a religious objection to slavery, and avoiding it is part of their national myth. They aren't likely to turn to slavery or be middlemen for slavers. That said, nothing stops them being colonisers of their own in pushing Native American peoples out, although the Congxie population pressure will be much less than that of European-descendants population pressure.if the Congxie aren't very careful then they might in turn colonize much of the frontier, becoming in effect middlemen for the slavers as many mixed-race and creole peoples ending up doing in Latin America and Africa despite say the Colombian military phenomenon literally called "the Legion of Hell" of mixed-race cowboys and horsemen ready to fight for whichever side of the civil wars sees the most Spaniards driven before them and autonomy from the capital.
Oh it definitely needed to be cover just really depressing to read about.The presence of colonialism and slavery is not pleasant to describe, but in vein with the actual historical trends of the time, there was no real way to avoid it.
That said, on the whole slavery will turn out to be slightly less prevalent than it was in real history. This is due to a combination of trends, some of which are not yet apparent. Of the ones which have started to show up so far, one is that Aururian kunduri has reduced the demand for tobacco, which in turn has largely reduced the number of slaves in what were the tobacco-growing regions of British North America. Another is that the spread of Aururian crops, which are less labour-intensive, also have some effect in moderating demand for slavery (though not eliminating it).
On which hasn't showed up yet, but which is not spoilerific to mention, is that Aururian crops (mostly wattles) will turn out to be very easy and very useful to make honey from, with a little beekeeping. This in turn keeps honey more available as a sweetener, and reduces (though, again, does not eliminate) the demand for slave-grown sugar in Europe.
It's not all positive, of course - there will be some slavery in Aururia, for example - but on the whole there will be less slavery than in real history.
Very well spoken as always and frankly, pretty much on the money.Gunya Yadji is reported to have told the emissaries, "Tjibarr has tried to tell us such things before, striking against us and then denying that they had done so. We will not believe them, nor do I believe you. Your words are lies because your adventure failed, nothing more."
At their best , certainly. The best of the Tjibarri are very, very good when it comes to diplomacy and balance of power.Hahahahaha!
This is wonderful!
Looks like the Tjibarri can run rings around the Europeans here with realpolitik!
Or it could be from an Atjuntja activist who lives somewhere under Dutch influence other than the Atjuntja lands, either as a migrant or a descendant of migrants.If that quote is anything to go by, the Dutch will stay in the land of the Atjunta for a long time.
Thanks. I always have fun writing from Wemba's perspective; he just has a fun take on the world.Seriously, this was a super engaging segment, not just for the characters though they were great, but the sheer scale of the world building, plotting and politicking on display, it felt deep and insightful carrying the weight and scale of what was being discussed very effectively, awesome post!
Glad you like it. Wemba remains one of my favourite characters in LoRaG.I heart the Dance and Wemba. A pleasure to reread this update.
The way I picture the factional system here is that complete fools or incompetents do not get into positions of strong power within their own faction. Competition for primacy is intense, and undermining opponents within one's own faction is understood to be part of the process.Wemba may be of the best Tijibarr has to offer, like the football version of Cardinal Richelieu, but that won't stop oppositional systems like the factions or yes Europe's centuries of glory-obsessed princes from sometimes bringing out the most incredible foolishness and incompetence. Much like how the private regiments and personal fiefdoms made many European efforts in the 17th and 18th centuries a loose collection of egotistical co-belligerents, factional based mustering of resources and troops under arms seems like they would often snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Glad you liked it.Sorry for the late response but this was a really cool piece, blending a strong narration with well woven historical tone and insights/analyse that made for a very engaging pace and read.
The three great voyages and the regard for Kumgatu is really neat, along with how he has been exaggerated but genuinely was quite amazing (He likely has several movies) and these accomplishments definitely were and the fact he has opened up a new trade route, by passing the controllers and gaining access to such rare and useful tools, oh m, very cool and potentially game changing stuff there!
All in all a great piece, thanks for sharing, would love to see more such trades!
Depends on how you define circumnavigating the world. There are many definitions of circumnavigation. The accepted definition for sailing world records requires crossing the equator (amongst other things). Other definitions include trying to divide the world into roughly equal portions by the route.Woot!
Now when will an allohistorical Australian circumnavigate the world?
The intriguing thing about the Japan-Nuttana trade is that it comes at just the right time to make significant differences within Japan. Japanese firearms at this point are as good or close to as good as anything Europeans make. That didn't last once Japan (mostly) closed itself of, of course. But even in the OTL era, Japan still actively studied European knowledge in fields where it interested them, that is the Rangaku or "Dutch learning".The Nuttana is fascinating and access to firearms from a country that doesn't give a fuck like Japan in the Shogunate means that it won't come with much if any hidden imperialist prices to pay beyond having resources the Japanese like. Still with the trade restrictions via Japan's one open port to Ryukyu and the need for the new expensive double-mega-great-ships the most crucial effect would be pushing the English and Dutch factors to have to race to the bottom to meet the Japanese firearms instead of gouging them for antiques. Then again, that effect would only last as long as the hermit kingdom's firearms are up to snuff and a few decades in the future they may be swamped by mass-produced Dutch flintlocks diverted from the slave trade.
That still leaves about 13 special posts to go (I may remove one or two which are very AH.com-specific), as well as the 63 core chapters. Plus any further meta-posts which I write afresh for the SV version.Only 63 chapters and some specials to go before this thread contains the full current extent of the timeline, to the best of my knowledge.
Sorry for the late response but this was a really cool piece, blending a strong narration with well woven historical tone and insights/analyse that made for a very engaging pace and read.
The three great voyages and the regard for Kumgatu is really neat, along with how he has been exaggerated but genuinely was quite amazing (He likely has several movies) and these accomplishments definitely were and the fact he has opened up a new trade route, by passing the controllers and gaining access to such rare and useful tools, oh m, very cool and potentially game changing stuff there!
All in all a great piece, thanks for sharing, would love to see more such trades!
Neat. thanks for sharing!Glad you liked it.
There will certainly be more about the Nuttana coming up. It's safe to say that they are one of the more significant cultures who feature in Act 2.
That is awesome and intriguing.he intriguing thing about the Japan-Nuttana trade is that it comes at just the right time to make significant differences within Japan. Japanese firearms at this point are as good or close to as good as anything Europeans make. That didn't last once Japan (mostly) closed itself of, of course. But even in the OTL era, Japan still actively studied European knowledge in fields where it interested them, that is the Rangaku or "Dutch learning".
In this TL, the Japanese now have an interest in keeping up to date with firearms technology, because they would dislike the consequences of losing the Nuttana trade. So it's quite possible that Japan keeps their firearms production up to date by copying European firearms techniques as they develop. For firearms at least, they could keep up easily enough if they wanted - artillery may be a different story.
Even in real history, Japan kept itself open to trade with specific peoples in specific ports. The various trading contacts I listed with *China, the Dutch, * Korea, the Ainu and the Ryukyus were all as per real history. The Japanese policy was not about ending all trade, but regulating and focusing it in a way which was deemed to be best for Japanese interests. The volume of trade was apparently still significant, particularly with China both directly (via Nagasaki/Dejima) and indirectly (via the Ryukyus).So, if I understand this right, Japan doesn't completely close itself off to the outside world, but instead keeps limited contact with the rest of the world via specific ports? If I've got that right, this is a huge development for Japan, especially if the Plirite's get a toe-hold.
There's a fair bit of that in the various "interlude" posts (Christmas specials, Halloween specials, and others), which are not strictly canon but which are not full not-canon either. (It's complicated). I can't do more of the Christmas or Halloween special type chapters as the posting schedule is off, but I could consider a few chapters on other pop-culture topics if people are interested. Whether a particular topic is feasible depends on whether it's too spoiler-ific, amongst other things, but I could at least look at it. It would also be helpful if people could suggest some pop-culture areas they'd be interesting in reading about.I'd actually love to see some examples of pop-culture from this TL. Maybe a spin-off of "The World of the Lands of Red and Gold", so long as it didn't give spoilers for the latter half of the TL?