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La Chanson de France - Fate/Broken Europa

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I don't buy that he can outright choose what we're going to do, or he'd have made a write-in where Saber and Maddie stab each other or something. At most it's one vote, if not an outright bluff. Well, I want to call that bluff.

[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

I might be persuaded to use a command seal if needed, but I'm not convinced cooperating with that second vote at all is a good idea.
 
Yaga said:
Meta-voting to beat Fencer's meta-power feels like cheating. Best to cut our losses.
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Losing one of our limited non regenerating command seals is not cutting our losses. If we want to take an L this round and play along I'd suggest going for the major injury instead, as we grabbed the medical facilities and Alchemist!Cedric back at the start.

[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.
 
[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

You know what, if this goes awfully it goes awfully but I want to see how it goes.
 
[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

Doesn't say we can't vote for it.
 
[X] Withdraw. The Phantom World makes it difficult, but retreat is still possible; at this stage you still hurt the enemy more than you were hurt and acquired valuable intelligence.

If we're going between pushing and withdrawing, I prefer playing it safe.
 
"Nobody votes" is an interesting plan. Shame if anything were to happen to it.

[X] Reveal Saber's true name.
[X] Spend a Command Seal.
[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[X] Saber.
-[X] Mademoiselle.
 
[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.


[X] Reveal Saber's true name.
[X] Spend a Command Seal.
[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[X] Saber.
-[X] Mademoiselle.

Instead of not voting... what if we do all the votes?
 
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First of all, some very amateur analysis:

What do we think we know

-Not as strong in all stats as a Servant should be, could be a more modern Servant, one not known for fighting or not a Servant at all.

-Good at taunting and poetry, uses illusions and general mindfuckery.

-Made us "choose" to hesitate and play defensively, even though he admitted that it benefited him. Looks like his fuckery takes time to spread.

-Acceptable fencer for a Servant, but nothing special.

-A fae of some kind, with at least weakness to iron.

Speculation

All the "not a Servant, not detectable by Mads" vibes, this Servant may be a fusion of a dramaturge and their character.
It may also be a dramaturge-fencer, of which they are quite a bunch. I would say Cyrano if I couldn't see his nose.

I could see pretty much all writers or dramaturges doing the conceptual pov bullshit that he's doing, so that's not very helpful.

All in all, the most plausible candidate I can think of right now is Shakespeare. Associated with faeries (Midsummer's dream), English, and if you're a British mage and are going to summon a poet, you are going for the Bard.

If anyone can think of a dramaturge associated with Faeries and/or being a fencer, please say so. Calderon de la Barca? Don Juan Tenorio? I don't know much about english or french theatre.

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Finally, about the vote. Not voting, even if it works, looks like is following the guys initiative. If we are going to do something weird like this, I would vote for rejecting his manipulations.


[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[X] Mademoiselle.

Edit: Changed this from Command Seal as I didn't remember we had medical facilities and Alchemist!Cedric as 7h Hex said.

Who knows, maybe it will work. Maybe we can actually vote, and it's our perception that's being manipulated. In the worst case, nothing happens and is the last, default option that happens. I would recommend everyone to make a choice in the first just in case.
 
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[X] Withdraw. The Phantom World makes it difficult, but retreat is still possible; at this stage you still hurt the enemy more than you were hurt and acquired valuable intelligence.
[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

[X] Spend a Command Seal.

Darkpiplumon said:
Speculation

All the "not a Servant, not detectable by Mads" vibes, this Servant may be a fusion of a dramaturge and their character.
It may also be a dramaturge-fencer, of which they are quite a bunch. I would say Cyrano if I couldn't see his nose.

I could see pretty much all writers or dramaturges doing the conceptual pov bullshit that he's doing, so that's not very helpful.

All in all, the most plausible candidate I can think of right now is Shakespeare. Associated with faeries (Midsummer's dream), English, and if you're a British mage and are going to summon a poet, you are going for the Bard.
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They stole our idea for Dumas/the Count? Typical of the Anglo.
 
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[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

Worst case scenario, voting on this is useless but still doesn't make things worse.

[X] Spend a Command Seal.

"Saber. Take center stage"
 
Adhoc vote count started by ScreenWatcher on Apr 24, 2022 at 4:56 PM, finished with 30 posts and 14 votes.
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[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[X] Mademoiselle.
 
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Although his power is being represented as messing with the 4th wall, so far it seems to be either manipulating us into making a bad decision or manipulating the world so that a bad choice was taken.

On that note us not going against his decision (if it works that is) could be seen as us breaking free of his control even if only temporarily.
 
[x] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

I think "Fencer" is a correct title, or at least not totally wrong... but he's not a fencer as in "picks up a saber and takes to the piste to engage in a sport".

He's making fences. He put a fence in the middle of one update (as it goes into another post). He made a fence where Mads and Saber couldn't fight together. He put a fence between the readers' good options and ones he likes better. This isn't a completely coherent idea yet, but I think it's on the right track.
 
[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.
 
Darkpiplumon said:
First of all, some very amateur analysis:

What do we think we know

-Not as strong in all stats as a Servant should be, could be a more modern Servant, one not known for fighting or not a Servant at all.

-Acceptable fencer for a Servant, but nothing special.
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Neither of these are true.

Saber is an incredibly old servant, fighting on her home land, summoned into the class with the most straight up combat power, performing the plan of "strike with overwhelming speed and power."
Comparing him to that to that, he was able to hold Saber for nearly the entire time his plan needed to work. During it, he forced her into into "Guessing" and performing "a desperate move", proving that she wasn't outclassing half as well as she would any normal non knight class. Not only that, but he was able to do so while not paying full attention to the fight, since he was paying attention to "the point of view shifts".

Face it, he's weaker at swords than saber, but only slightly, and it's not nearly enough to actually matter cosidering how much the PoV shift understanding helps him.
 
7th Hex said:
Losing one of our limited non regenerating command seals is not cutting our losses. If we want to take an L this round and play along I'd suggest going for the major injury instead, as we grabbed the medical facilities and Alchemist!Cedric back at the start.
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Mmmmmm... Good suggestion, I was gonna probably try to push for that, but I was gonna do it without actually mentioning those things? Cuz like... if he can read the thread, he might know about them now. Then again...

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"Wait," you say with a frown. "Archer, Rider, Lancer… Saber? That's an object, not an occupation."

"Please focus."

"They could at least have called it Fencer."
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He seems to know about this, at least. So tbh I don't completely trust that he hasn't already read the entire quest. :V

Speaking of which -

illhousen said:
"Nobody votes" is an interesting plan. Shame if anything were to happen to it.

[] Reveal Saber's true name.
[] Spend a Command Seal.
[] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[] Saber.
-[] Mademoiselle.
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Oh hey, I found Red Guy's account! Hi Red Guy, how's it going? How do you like the quest so far? :V
 
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Alright, I don't think this is actually someone who's fourth-wall aware - rather, I think he's got a nasty situation-warping trick and a love of stories. My guess on this guy is William Shakespear as Rider, with the "mounts" being different roles he can play - right now he's Puck, but that wouldn't always be true.

The Noble Phantasm he's using, from an in-universe perspective, seems to work by manipulating the "eyes of the world". When the laws of magic and physics are the will of Gaia, drawing her attention elsewhere could permit the impossible...
 
This jerk.
But then again I suppose the only better option would have been to Rambo these two right off the gate-if Red here had to protect his master AND deal with Saber?
The play goes wrong before it even starts.
Good to see my defensive thought was actually wrong but still this jerk!
As for the no votes plan…
Tempting but of the three…
I'm leaning towards injury.
A true name in the Fay's hands probably means BAD NEWS! The two elements go hand in hand meaning they 100% can do the whole 'oh THAT'S what you can do.' but also means FUNTIMES via unlocking really nasty fae nonsense.
And while in theory Command Seals are good for this...? I think it'd be better to lean upon our ability to treat our wounds then spend one here- the problem is that A. Not ONLY do you only get 3 Seals, but you MUST keep 1 to have a Servant at all. Spending all three is game-over the same way losing your Servant is.
[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.

Now, who takes the hit?
Interesting question.
On the one hand, Mads has that whole 'stitched together' bit to her, which probably screws up her ability to recover, or at least makes it a roll of the dice.
A roll that just might go the OTHER way, actually-it might help her disparate body-parts come together more solidly. Or the stress could cause the brick to crack and then explode outright in the baking oven that is the Grail War.
Flipside-Saber. Technically, she's a Spiritual being. That could allow for 'pump healing magic to restore to full HP!' shenanigans, Or Red boyo is a jerk and gets to eat an eyeball or something nasty like that.
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I'm slightly leaning towards Mads- I'm worried Fey nonsense means shenanigans of the kind that will be worse for a Servant but I'm not entirely sure if that won't go wrong in Mad's powerful but likely delicate system...
 
LoreOfClarke said:
Neither of these are true.

Saber is an incredibly old servant, fighting on her home land, summoned into the class with the most straight up combat power, performing the plan of "strike with overwhelming speed and power."
Comparing him to that to that, he was able to hold Saber for nearly the entire time his plan needed to work. During it, he forced her into into "Guessing" and performing "a desperate move", proving that she wasn't outclassing half as well as she would any normal non knight class. Not only that, but he was able to do so while not paying full attention to the fight, since he was paying attention to "the point of view shifts".

Face it, he's weaker at swords than saber, but only slightly, and it's not nearly enough to actually matter cosidering how much the PoV shift understanding helps him.
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I'm basing my commentary on this segment:

Omicron said:
Saber frowns.

"Your speed is inconsistent."

Fencer blinks, his expected line of arguing derailed. The white-haired giant stares at him, eyes narrowed, and adds:

"You're using magical enhancement to hide that you don't have the base level of physical prowess a Servant should possess."
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tzar1990 said:
Alright, I don't think this is actually someone who's fourth-wall aware - rather, I think he's got a nasty situation-warping trick and a love of stories. My guess on this guy is William Shakespear as Rider, with the "mounts" being different roles he can play - right now he's Puck, but that wouldn't always be true.

The Noble Phantasm he's using, from an in-universe perspective, seems to work by manipulating the "eyes of the world". When the laws of magic and physics are the will of Gaia, drawing her attention elsewhere could permit the impossible...
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Ooooh I really like this, this looks like the most plausible explanation so far. Don't remember if Puck is known as a fencer, but I love the rider idea, and would explain the fae association.
 
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[X] Keep pushing. Whatever 'Fencer' has been doing in his fight, he said himself he needs time. Keep pushing as hard as possible before the situation gets worse, and he'll crumble.

[X] One of you suffers a serious injury.
-[X] Mademoiselle.
 
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Okay, I get it.

He was only able to cause a serious injury that doesn't make sense OFF SCREEN. He deliberately shifted the POV to the investigation crew when it made no sense to do so, so that he could do the thing that everyone is saying made no sense off-screen.

THAT'S WHY his vote options represent a time skip to serious consequences. The trick to beating him is to force the fight to stay on screen, he can't do his tricks while we can see the action.
 
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