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Knight of Wessex (A Written World Quest)

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fictionfan said:
Thing is with how capacity works it doesn't make sense to get Crush Organ as a just in case we are stuck in a grapple. It only makes sense if we are planning to grapple.
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That's only true if you can count on always getting to decide the terms of the fight. That's not necessarily always the case and in fact very often not.

fictionfan said:
What stats go into grappling anyway? I know that Fyrdsman yt Wol and grip of Samson gives a bonus to grapple, but what else?
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Grappling defaults to a standard combat roll, but the Style used has to be a grappling Style (so Fyrdsman for Audrey) and applies even on basics. So Audrey, by default, rolls 14d4+34 on grapples for the most part. The cool part of Grip of Samson is that Audrey gets to remove the Physical Stat and Style bonuses from her opponents, so a clone of her but without Grip of Samson would roll only 14d4+21 against her.
 
fictionfan said:
If it's just in case then we just use Slip free that we already have. Crush Organ only makes sense if we are actively going for a grapple fight.
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That's not really how that works? Like...Slip Free can slip you free in theory, sure, but alternately you could take Controlled Grapple which allows the same, potentially or a bit more effort, and also add something like Limb-Breaking Hold or the theoretical Crush Organs and have a very solid backup plan to take advantage of her grappling prowess (especially if someone underestimates her grappling chops) for only 1-2 more Capacity.

Like...Audrey is really good at grappling, deciding that if someone grapples her she'll lean in and mess them up rather than just desperately try and escape and not be able to do anything if they keep her grappled is a valid choice, or just deciding she'll happily grapple them if opportunity presents but still planning to start with default melee, that's also valid. Saying plans for a grapple are only valid if it's your primary combat strategy doesn't make sense.

Having backup plans that allow you to actually switch up what you're doing is, in fact, a good idea and the implication that it isn't (or that it isn't if they take more than 1 Capacity to deal with a pretty common situation) confuses me deeply. That's like saying you don't need a ranged attack if you have a mobility enhancer, or vice versa. You can choose to go with only one of those two, certainly, but it's not a foregone conclusion that doing so is correct and you should never take both. Deciding how much Capacity to allocate to your contingencies is a valid discussion to have on individual plans, but saying it only makes sense to put in more than the bare minimum if you're specifically aiming for that type of fight is just not how fights work in this system at all.
 
Just feels really weird from anyone to try to grapple us if they don't feel really confident in their grappling skills.

Hama rope shape ideas: Tie their feet to the ground. Exactly what it says this rote ties an opponents feet to the ground disabling their footwork. Furthermore if the ground is soft and bogly for some reason attempts to break free by muscle power will instead just cause the opponent to sink into the ground.
 
fictionfan said:
Just feels really weird from anyone to try to grapple us if they don't feel really confident in their grappling skills.
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I mean, they are indeed only likely to grapple you if they are confident in those skills, or more confident in them than their ability to dodge a GKB anyway. Them being confident doesn't mean they actually are better than Audrey, though. It could mean that, certainly, but it doesn't inherently. People usually only willingly engage in sword fights they think they'll win, too.

fictionfan said:
Hama rope shape ideas: Tie their feet to the ground. Exactly what it says this rote ties an opponents feet to the ground disabling their footwork. Furthermore if the ground is soft and bogly for some reason attempts to break free by muscle power will instead just cause the opponent to sink into the ground.
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You can trip someone with Rope real easy, but tying their feet up long term does run into the limitation that Hama Ropes are invisible but very much physically real and can be broken or severed. This isn't a reason not to do it, forcing someone to suffer penalties for being tied down and then have to spend an action cutting their way free has plenty of value, but just as a note.

Nepcalibur said:
what could someone do to counter gkb?

Sudden shield creation to block it?
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Conjured or summoned shields are one option. So is just novaing a defense roll of a more normal sort...those are the two big ones.
 
Oh my. This is a messy situation, isn't it? It's hard to say what is the right choice here...

[X] Lift the Siege

If I have to choose, I'll go with this. The faster we get the siege dealt with the faster we can call for aid in dealing with the Draugr.
At the very least, we are more likely to be able to kill whatever is sieging us.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Conjured or summoned shields are one option. So is just novaing a defense roll of a more normal sort...those are the two big ones.
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Staying out of range is another solution.

So would "crippling their arms" be in most situations, but Audrey is highly resistant to that with her armour.

Nepcalibur said:
i guess there no way to counter nova besides just rolling higher then even the nova?
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The counter to people novaing is to not die while they run out of resources constantly novaing.

It is the Written World version of running mono-Red.
 
okay, i know it a long shot, but would meditating on the sword or something to see if we could maybe unlock sword shape. :whistle:

I know it a long shot, but i really want the sword shape.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Just meditating? Probably not. A Sword Shape would more logically come from years of using a sword for its intended purpose, but it's not a given even then.
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then yeah depending on how long this war last, we could (maybe) get it. In that case we must swing our sword at our enemies until our arms come off for a 100% chance of gaining it!

Maybe..

Okay theoretically, how useful would a hama sword be using sword shape and maybe light revelation (i know it not good for things like this but maybe it will add something to it, idk). Basically a sword made using a shit ton of fervor, maybe that and the fact it can only be created outside of battle could make sure it nice and strong.

Also could zeal be used in making it to be stronger?

Edit: Very nervous asking this question, its very anime.
 
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Nepcalibur said:
Okay theoretically, how useful would a hama sword be using sword shape and maybe light revelation (i know it not good for things like this but maybe it will add something to it, idk). Basically a sword made using a shit ton of fervor, maybe that and the fact it can only be created outside of battle could make sure it nice and strong.
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Feels like that depends on how good our normal weapons are, and I'm willing to bet it'd take a lot of training to make something better than our current sword.
 
Nepcalibur said:
Okay theoretically, how useful would a hama sword be using sword shape and maybe light revelation (i know it not good for things like this but maybe it will add something to it, idk). Basically a sword made using a shit ton of fervor, maybe that and the fact it can only be created outside of battle could make sure it nice and strong.
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A Hama Sword Shape would be worse in just about every way than Audrey's current sword, at least for the foreseeable future. The advantage would be being able to conjure swords of force to parry or attack at range with, things like that. And the fact they'd be naturally invisible.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
A Hama Sword Shape would be worse in just about every way than Audrey's current sword, at least for the foreseeable future. The advantage would be being able to conjure swords of force to parry or attack at range with, things like that. And the fact they'd be naturally invisible.
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Would I be correct in assuming that that's the sort of thing that an Anglo-Saxon with lackluster funds might consider a very useful shape to learn?
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
A Hama Sword Shape would be worse in just about every way than Audrey's current sword, at least for the foreseeable future. The advantage would be being able to conjure swords of force to parry or attack at range with, things like that. And the fact they'd be naturally invisible.
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You know what, that's fine, creating an amazing sword of hama at level 1-5 wouldn't make much sense is the grand scheme of things, im just glad its not impossible.

With that said, do you have a guess at when a sword made of hama would be stronger then audrey sword?
 
Nepcalibur said:
You know what, that's fine, creating an amazing sword of hama at level 1-5 wouldn't make much sense is the grand scheme of things, im just glad its not impossible.

With that said, do you have a guess at when a sword made of hama would be stronger then audrey sword?
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It would never have the once per day damage bonus, but aside from that...probably Sword Shape 8 or thereabouts. So not any time soon, like I said. But the real answer is 'never' because by the time you have anything like that at level 8 you'll probably have gotten a better sword anyway.
 
fictionfan said:
If it's just in case then we just use Slip free that we already have. Crush Organ only makes sense if we are actively going for a grapple fight.
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Audrey is actively great in a grapple now with Grip, and Slip Free costs the exact amount of capacity an offensive grapple would. Punishing an enemy for trying to grapple us and incentivizing them to try and disengage the grapple is almost certainly going to be significantly stronger for us than just reflexively running away from any grapple as a matter of principle.

Especially since we have the Ring of Strength, which afaik *can* be used offensively in a grapple and is probably a nightmare with something like Crush Organ.
 
Karugus said:
Especially since we have the Ring of Strength, which afaik *can* be used offensively in a grapple and is probably a nightmare with something like Crush Organ.
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Generally speaking the Ring would make you auto-succeed at one grapple roll once you're in a grapple, which could be an offensive roll on crushing an organ, yes. It's not actually an auto-success per se, but it's a really absurd bonus for that one action, so it usually is in practice.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Generally speaking the Ring would make you auto-succeed at one grapple roll once you're in a grapple, which could be an offensive roll on crushing an organ, yes. It's not actually an auto-success per se, but it's a really absurd bonus for that one action, so it usually is in practice.
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The ideal (from my perspective) is the Gorilla Arms Reach Meditation being active, then engaging a gap closer like Darting Strike-

Actually, can we develop an Unarmed Rote that functions like Darting Strike but exclusively for initiating a grapple at advantage?

-and then using the reach advantage to engage control over the grapple, using the Ring of Strength if needed. Before then going into Rope Shape to tie up the poor sucker, who then not only has to spend an action on trying to regain control of the grapple, but also to break the Rope Shape to regain full use of their limbs. So this leaves them with a minimum of one action behind from being able to take an offensive move against Audrey in the grapple itself.

At which point she can use a Grip enabled grappling Rote to further disable the dude, or if that proves unnecessary, straight up Organ Crush them for a ton of True Damage.

Just set things up to brutally leverage superiority of action economy for an advantage each time Audrey is forced into a situation where she has to grapple
 
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