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What sort of problems, do you suppose?
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What sort of problems, do you suppose?
Zelinko
Ordinary Magician
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For one two sets of very conflicting memories, whatever he had naturally and whatever memories a shipgirl starts with.What sort of problems, do you suppose?
conflicts about what is tasty? Drink a Coke, then eat the can without thinking about it.
Shipgirls might not need to sleep half as much as humans do, so he might have insomnia so 'day 3, can't sleep. Not physically tired want to sleep so bad' then comes the feelings of rigging and how possible sense sharing treats his mind
If a cruiser or destroyer possibly workout even thinking about it escorting battleships or carriers without realizing it
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Muscovfefe
FREUDE SCHÖNER GÖTTERFUNKEN
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I actually like WSG Essex although the only problem is with the rigging, really. It's more of a not bad not good thing. Compared to Intrepid though, I'd prefer her.
(or it's probably becaube I don't really like the potatoes)
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I think that's a fanon thing? I haven't really seen any instances of it in canon, outside of maybe Yamato when she was on the raft in the anime (though I don't know if that actually counts) and Akagi launching her planes on land multiple times.
There was one idea that I was playing around with for All or Nothing for the later chapters is that shipgirls can use their rigging but it's like the equivalent of being docked or beached: they can use their guns but until they deactivate their gear, they're pretty much stuck in that one place. Though I don't know if I'll actually use that idea though.
Pros: "I HAVE CANNONS!!! I HAVE TWO SETS OF TRACTS OF LAND!!! I AM INVINCIBLE!!!
Cons: "WHERE'S MY PERSONAL CANNON?!?!"
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All potentially real issues such a person would face. The second one I find especially amusing.
As to the sleep issue? I have sometimes wondered what the sleep habits of a girl who could be kept awake for days at sea might be like.
"I don't know which is worst, the fact that my little buddy is gone, or the fact that part of me is strangely okay with that."
Kyte
Never quacked for this
In Spanish it entirely depends on the specific noun you use ("el barco" "la fragata" "el acorazado" etc) and most have the names of men (in Chile at least). And spanish is not a minor language.
Also seriously this talk is really toxic imagine how it'd look if it were "no girls allowed" instead.
Just because they've been misused doesn't make them inherently wrong to use.
1 and 2 seem entirely okay to me. Turnaround is fair play.
3 doesn't apply to fanworks.
Maybe they have an advanced state of "sleeping with their eyes open" where it's straight up autopilot. I recall some writer did that.
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Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
Yeah, no. I can bring up perfect examples like how before Iowa showed up you had people making USN ships into shipboys, despite the fact that in the US, ships are referred to as female. Why? For almost all the fics in question it boils down to either SI Mary Sues or because yuri grossed them out. Like KCQ as quite literally it was because he did not want any girl/girl stuff to happen. Heck, he also did it for a Strike Witches quest I believe for the same reason.
Kyte
Never quacked for this
Unless you give me a quote it was because "yuri grossed him out" I am not going to judge the guy for not wanting to write an actually pretty complicated topic.
And again:
Just because they've been misused doesn't make them inherently wrong to use.
Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
You will notice that I stated in his case that he just did not want any of that.
And here's the thing... if it's been misused 98% of the time, then there's a bigger problem with the idea then what you may be thinking.
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In Spanish, the gender of warships is class-specific, and with the following rule of thumb: "lightweight warships are female and the big ones are male". Which is not absolute, but it's how it applies regardless of the gender of the name of a specific ship. Because the ship class is always assumed in ellipsis if not explicitly stated.
So a ship with a female-sounding name like "Reina Carlota" ("Queen Charlotte") will be referred as male if she's of any class of destroyer or above. Basically only smaller boats and frigates and corvettes are referred as female.
So, if the hypotetical (and as far as I know non-existant in all the Spanish Navy history) "Queen Charlote" was a cruiser, for example, she would be referred in Spanish as "el [crucero] Reina Carlota". The part in square bracket is omitted, giving an apparent gender discordance between the article, which refers to the class, and the name, which is female. So, most warships in Spanish would be male regardless of their names.
And well... To be honest, a lot of the Fletchers and other modern warships have male names, but they are still referred as females. Having, for example, a female Gerald Ford sounds actually funny, and a female John. F. Kennedy is basically an exercise in irony. Unless the shipgirl is a womanizing lesbian, which would be actually hilarious.
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ARBITRACOM
Sic transit gloria mundi
Hey yeah so the new and event soundtracks are absolute bangers.
Especially this last one, almost on par with Counter Raid Another D.
Especially this last one, almost on par with Counter Raid Another D.
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What would really be interesting is if a Shipgirl carrying the name USS Gerald R. Ford actually more accurately reflected the real person's rather impressive physical ability rather than the popular conception created by one slip and a relentless Chevy Chase.
Zelinko
Ordinary Magician
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So put on the on the Football helmet and chinstraps as she coulda went pro.
All that power behind her and the skills of a lineman? Next Abyssal who thinks charging a 'helpless' carrier gonna be in a world of hurt as she'll show em her skills.
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And surprising agility. During 'Halsey's Typhoon', Ford was nearly washed overboard as USS Monterey pitched violently. He according to one report, saved himself by catching his foot on a railing and then pulling himself back up. I seriously doubt many of us could have matched that feat.
USS Monterey tackles an abyssal, grabs it in a headlock and then vaults into the air while twisting. As Monterey lands on her feet, the abyssal falls to the ground dead, its neck snapped.
Several Japanese shipgirls stare.
USS Saratoga addresses her. "You DO have your planes, Terry."
Monterey: "Yeah but it seemed like a waste to bother. Besides! This was much more fun!"
Kyte
Never quacked for this
Huh, the more you know. I never looked close enough to notice that.
Wait, what about destructor? And monitor?
Or does "heavy" start light enough that would encompass pretty much everything in Kancolle?
(Submarino too, actually)
The remodels are often used to justify large stat changes, but I notice a lot of gun, and later engine changes are equipment changes that can be easily swapped out.
I find that a little amusing since especially the engine changes, many would necessitate nearly a full rebuild of most ships, carefully taking it apart and putting it back together.
It would in most cases be cheaper and faster to just rip the ship apart less carefully, melt down the metal, and use the scrap to build a new ship around the new engine from scratch.
In this game however, its just a quick loadout change from the equipment menu, rapidly and easily.
I don't have a problem with it, and it makes sense from a gameplay and from how the kancolle setting works, I just find it amusing.
I wonder if the USS Ticonderoga, if its included in the game, will have a different outfit. It was considered an Essex subclass by some, and had difference in design, like internal armor layout, damage control redundancy systems being a little different, and other systems both offensive, defensive, sensor, mobility, and support. It could be used to rationalize and justify slightly changed outfits and stats, either up or down.
It also was a little top heavy due to the anti air guns, but not as much as some other ships and not to an extent that it majorly compromised seakeeping, as far as I'm aware.
Gambier Bay has a decent ASW stat, but less then one I expected for a CVE which had that as its main duty, especially compared to some other ships that had less then stellar reputations at ASW.
Though that might just be added to gear stats or more famous ships.
The Casablanca class carriers were often considered technically capable in technology, well crewed, and had good service records with effective results. They were historically also cheap to make.
Gambier's stats don't really reflect that, and her own character focuses a bit on a one note incident instead of her other success. She's also rather cowardly, PTSD riddled, and ineffective. A lot of fanfics portray Gamby as a stoic badass for what she did, which is the other direction as well. Though I suppose there are many ones that the author could have gone with besides these two characterization.
Her voice actor is also an unknown so no real star power.
In comparison, the Taiyou or Taiyo class carriers hard short careers, and didn't really get any results or successes during these careers, but have excellent stats.
Gambier Bay is unlikely to get event bonus or equipment bonus, and even with those bonus is unlikely to perform well. In the end, as a ship in this game she's not usable for hard content events as her stats are too bad. And she's also not usable for easy mode farming, as she's expensive to use despite her subpar stats. Overall she definitely isn't at risk of power creep since she was given bad traits all around.
I would suspect general Fletcher class ships might do this as well. Fletcher class is often seen as mass produced, and this is seen as a bad thing, because people assume mass produced ships are riddled with flaws and grossly inferior to super prototypes because this is a rule in so many films and manga and other series.
Historically they were considered capable, but the ships in game thus far will likely be subpar. They're definitely not as good as HMS Jervis or Tashkent in this game. Jervis has top of class ASW, special skills, and a good statline in other stats as well. Tashkent has a good statline and can equip more equipment than other ships, making her flexible and good for any situation since equipment boosts can be massive. Fletchers like Johnston are nowhere near as good as Jervis or Tash in any role, and are overall scrap or enhancement fodder. I've heard people say she might become usable with a Kai 2, but a K2 seems unlikely and hard to predict.
Johnston also notably is properly dressed in the calendar official art, but in game wears her clothes awkwardly and pulled down passed her shoulders.
The focus on ASW ships makes me wonder if some of them with more famous reputations might get better stats.
Azur Lane has USS Eldridge, less famous for combat then USS Samuel B Roberts.
Eldridge however is famous in pop mythos and films, being in the urban legend, the Philadelphia Experiment.
In Azur Lane she's got relatively good combat stats for her type, and also has a 'Philadelphia Experiment' stealth/teleporter system that boosts her evade by a lot in game.
Other ways to interpret the urban legend are in pop culture. Metal Gear Survive has it as a wormhole generator to another dimension. Other series attach other attributes to it like area of effect weapons, illusions, mind control, or other fantasy elements and super powers.
I find that a little amusing since especially the engine changes, many would necessitate nearly a full rebuild of most ships, carefully taking it apart and putting it back together.
It would in most cases be cheaper and faster to just rip the ship apart less carefully, melt down the metal, and use the scrap to build a new ship around the new engine from scratch.
In this game however, its just a quick loadout change from the equipment menu, rapidly and easily.
I don't have a problem with it, and it makes sense from a gameplay and from how the kancolle setting works, I just find it amusing.
I wonder if the USS Ticonderoga, if its included in the game, will have a different outfit. It was considered an Essex subclass by some, and had difference in design, like internal armor layout, damage control redundancy systems being a little different, and other systems both offensive, defensive, sensor, mobility, and support. It could be used to rationalize and justify slightly changed outfits and stats, either up or down.
It also was a little top heavy due to the anti air guns, but not as much as some other ships and not to an extent that it majorly compromised seakeeping, as far as I'm aware.
Gambier Bay has a decent ASW stat, but less then one I expected for a CVE which had that as its main duty, especially compared to some other ships that had less then stellar reputations at ASW.
Though that might just be added to gear stats or more famous ships.
The Casablanca class carriers were often considered technically capable in technology, well crewed, and had good service records with effective results. They were historically also cheap to make.
Gambier's stats don't really reflect that, and her own character focuses a bit on a one note incident instead of her other success. She's also rather cowardly, PTSD riddled, and ineffective. A lot of fanfics portray Gamby as a stoic badass for what she did, which is the other direction as well. Though I suppose there are many ones that the author could have gone with besides these two characterization.
Her voice actor is also an unknown so no real star power.
In comparison, the Taiyou or Taiyo class carriers hard short careers, and didn't really get any results or successes during these careers, but have excellent stats.
Gambier Bay is unlikely to get event bonus or equipment bonus, and even with those bonus is unlikely to perform well. In the end, as a ship in this game she's not usable for hard content events as her stats are too bad. And she's also not usable for easy mode farming, as she's expensive to use despite her subpar stats. Overall she definitely isn't at risk of power creep since she was given bad traits all around.
I would suspect general Fletcher class ships might do this as well. Fletcher class is often seen as mass produced, and this is seen as a bad thing, because people assume mass produced ships are riddled with flaws and grossly inferior to super prototypes because this is a rule in so many films and manga and other series.
Historically they were considered capable, but the ships in game thus far will likely be subpar. They're definitely not as good as HMS Jervis or Tashkent in this game. Jervis has top of class ASW, special skills, and a good statline in other stats as well. Tashkent has a good statline and can equip more equipment than other ships, making her flexible and good for any situation since equipment boosts can be massive. Fletchers like Johnston are nowhere near as good as Jervis or Tash in any role, and are overall scrap or enhancement fodder. I've heard people say she might become usable with a Kai 2, but a K2 seems unlikely and hard to predict.
Johnston also notably is properly dressed in the calendar official art, but in game wears her clothes awkwardly and pulled down passed her shoulders.
The focus on ASW ships makes me wonder if some of them with more famous reputations might get better stats.
Azur Lane has USS Eldridge, less famous for combat then USS Samuel B Roberts.
Eldridge however is famous in pop mythos and films, being in the urban legend, the Philadelphia Experiment.
In Azur Lane she's got relatively good combat stats for her type, and also has a 'Philadelphia Experiment' stealth/teleporter system that boosts her evade by a lot in game.
Other ways to interpret the urban legend are in pop culture. Metal Gear Survive has it as a wormhole generator to another dimension. Other series attach other attributes to it like area of effect weapons, illusions, mind control, or other fantasy elements and super powers.
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Kyte
Never quacked for this
So, to clarify, are you or are you not stating the dude didn't want to write lesbian relationships because it "grossed him out".
By that logic fanfiction itself is inherently problematic.
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You do know that Sturgeon's law - Wikipedia is a thing yes?
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He has every right to do that. If he doesn't want to write about girls getting busy with each other, frankly, that's his choice. My own likely course in that instance would most likely be to do as has been done in Belated Battleships, and have a male human develop a romantic interest in one of the shipgirls.
Problem solved.
Having said that, there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a male ship spirit.
CV12Hornet
Riter.
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Pacific-based CVEs spent less time on ASW than Atlantic CVEs, being more focused on support of land operations and ferrying planes to island bases. That's probably why.
Also, side note, remember that 152-plane airgroup mentioned yesterday? Yeah, that's max carriage, likely with most or all of the planes disassembled. It's not anything operational, and would likely have been reserved for ferrying purposes.
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Destroyers are male, as would be monitors, but I think Spain never bothered with brown water ships. South Americans might, as they have several lakes, like Titicaca, and rivers, like the Amazon, worth patrolling and crossing several borders. So it makes sense asking South American people more familiar with that.
As for KanColle, I'd guess the line is also in destroyers. Everything below them is referred as female (except submarines). Destroyer Escorts would fall in the corvette type, and called as such. And patrol and torpedo boats are female, "lancha torpedera" and "lancha patrullera", with the "lancha" part omitted occasionally.
Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
No, I am just saying that he just did not want to write lesbian relationships period, hence him having shipboys show up.
Yes, I am aware of that. It's like the whole "Wrong-Boy-Who-Lived" thing in the HP fandom really.
Yes, having male humans develop a relationship is the easy way of solving the issue. And no, there is nothing wrong with a male ship spirit. What I stated is that since all the examples, or 98% of them are shitty, it becomes something that I really dislike.