So just an update on Sabaton this is the current form it is in.
Stand Name: Sabaton
Stand Ability: Warrior Soul
Power: C
Speed: C
Durability: B
Precision: C
Learning: A
Description: Taking the form a set of 4 ghostly versions of it's user clad in appropriate outfits of warriors long past (Default without channeling a spirit is Roman Maki, Samurai Maki, Cowgirl Maki and Gangster Maki) with appropriate weapons. Sabaton allows it's user to commune with the spirits of the dead and channel their power through one of the ghostly copies of herself, when this happens the copy gains all of the spirit's skills and equipment adjusted for it's body. The user may also channel a spirit's power into their own body gaining a similar effect, although she will merely gain a ghostly version of their weapon with her clothing adopting the qualities of the equipment.
The Ghost copies can fight independently from the user although they will follow her mental orders, they are also intangible when not interacting with the physical world (like carrying someone or attacking).
Sabaton's greatest ability can only be used if the user has managed to gain a warrior's spirit, upon achieving this it allows her to commune with the souls of legendary and mystical warriors and channel their power. However doing so is extremely taxing and can only be used for a short time before Sabaton's user must rest.
I'd like everyone's opinion on it.
[X] You are sure that you will awaken at some point. You can feel it, and it will happen sooner rather than later. Jotaro needs to believe in you, damn it! If you can just push yourself hard enough, your Stand will have to get involved!
Okay, so I've been trying to find a Stand that actually fits this character, and all this mention of his friends and having to be in a new place made me think he could be focusing on his memories.
So
Name: The Heart Never Forgets
Song: The Heart Never Forgets
Type: Spirit
Statistics
Destructive Power: C
Speed: - B
Range: - B
Durability: - A
Precision: - C
Learning: - A
Appearance: A humanoid stand, it's body is colored grey and black with golden in his articulations, it's right eye is a camera lens while his shoulders look like a microphone and a projector respectibly.
It has a 4 leafed clover on it's chest.
Abilities: The Heart can project the memories of the user or of anyone The Heart is in contact with as physical objects, the projections can only move exactly as they did in the memory and can excert as much strenght as they did originaly but will disapear if they recieve damage. The range is 10 meters.
The Heart can only project image and sound of things experienced by the target, it can not project objects outside that were outside the persons view.
The Heart gives the user and anyone it's in contact perfect recall, but for people beside the user it only last while it's in contact.
What do you guys think?
Yeah as I've said before I'm not the best with these letter stats any help making a more balanced/better distribution would be appreciated. As for the communing with the dead thing it mostly so that any spirit we channel we'll have to commune with and persuade to lend us their power.Well that's a nice idea, though where would Maki gain a warrior's spirit for the ultimate ability? And what qualifies as one? Otherwise the skills and gear of Legionnaire, Samurai, Cowboy and a Gangster would be pretty broad. I'd suggest making the power stat into a variable one though, as it changes depending on if Maki's channeling her own spirits or others.
Also, communing with the dead? Kira's going to get caught so fast if he gets Shigechi. How would that go by the way? Would Maki get Harvest as a subStand similar to Sheer Heart Attack?
The general rule for the spirits each ghost can channel is thisAhhh, those are pretty valid points, Shape of Fire. I was looking at Sebazu's Stand and trying to think of something but my brain was drawing a blank on that so thanks for the assistance!
By the way, Sinsystems, what does the category system of spirits look like? It would be interesting to see a chart on that.
Although, we do need to keep up the mystery in the story so the question is now how would Sabaton work in regards to when Kira starts popping up?
Well, since your Stand is a very changing one, most of the stats should probably be variable, with the older ones (Roman and Samurai) being stronger and tougher (power and durability) and the newer ones faster and more precise. And Learning is the troublesome stat. As I've understood it, it is about how evolved the ability is. I think Star Platinum's Learning dropped from A to C when Jotaro learned Time Stop and Tusk went from A to E at Act 4, so having rank A Learning means the user hasn't even realized their real ability yet.Yeah as I've said before I'm not the best with these letter stats any help making a more balanced/better distribution would be appreciated. As for the communing with the dead thing it mostly so that any spirit we channel we'll have to commune with and persuade to lend us their power.
Also Shigechi would fall under the mystic warrior category which is completely locked out until we fulfill the requirement.
I'll say that it does work for animals but only those who were particularly strong of spirit and more intelligent than most. Although when channeling those spirits I'm unsure as to how the ghosts will change, maybe they'll get animal suits or just ears and the like.Well, since your Stand is a very changing one, most of the stats should probably be variable, with the older ones (Roman and Samurai) being stronger and tougher (power and durability) and the newer ones faster and more precise. And Learning is the troublesome stat. As I've understood it, it is about how evolved the ability is. I think Star Platinum's Learning dropped from A to C when Jotaro learned Time Stop and Tusk went from A to E at Act 4, so having rank A Learning means the user hasn't even realized their real ability yet.
Also, how does it affect animals? If its limited to warriors, do "war animals" count as spirits or warriors equipment? For example, could Maki channel a war dog for sense of smell? Jojo world being itself, there would probably be bizarre applications to this.
I changed Durabiliy and Precision so I think it's better now.So it projects the memories of the user? Like if Maki sees a baseball fly through the field and if later she's fighting an enemy in the field, she can make the memory of flying baseball hit the enemy when they pass its trajectory? Thats pretty powerful when defending a familiar area, but almost useless when dropped into a new setting. Oh wait, it can project memories of others too. Logically, this means it also gives the user a simple form of psychometry too, to read the past of objects. And I'd bumb the precision rating for that, as that affects the accuracy of the Stand and being able to pick specific memories is pretty damn precise. Maybe add some sort of limitation on how far from past the memory can be found and taken?
That's pretty damn powerful. Also, props for the four leaf clover and the mundane utility of perfect recall.
So wait, it can project the memories anywhere? Okay, that makes it a lot stronger than I thought. You're saying with it Maki could use anything she remembers as a weapon anywhere she is. She sees Sheer Heart Attack charge straight at something? She can summon it and blow it up near an enemy. High-five Jotaro and have the enemy suddenly be surrounded by a wall of flying knives. And that learning rank implies its true power isn't even in play yet. I'd say that needs nerfing, sorry.I changed Durabiliy and Precision so I think it's better now.
Some of the things I was thinking she could eventually do.
- Project Crazy Diamond or Star Platinum punching stuff.
- Project stairs to move anywhere.
- Since she mentions she's a delincuent she can remember people she's fought and make them appear.
- She could grant perfect recall to Joseph and project his AWESOME experiences.
It's not without weaknesses.
- The memories are fragile so anyone hiting them or throwing rocks at them can make them vanish.
- She can only project things in her or The Heart's field of view.
- The more different people or moment's memories she tries to project at the same time the harder and longer it takes her.
Yeah, it would need a few limits to be feasable.So wait, it can project the memories anywhere? Okay, that makes it a lot stronger than I thought. You're saying with it Maki could use anything she remembers as a weapon anywhere she is. She sees Sheer Heart Attack charge straight at something? She can summon it and blow it up near an enemy. High-five Jotaro and have the enemy suddenly be surrounded by a wall of flying knives. And that learning rank implies its true power isn't even in play yet. I'd say that needs nerfing, sorry.
For example, say she uses the moment Josuke punched through the hostage at the robber. The memory has to be projected at the distance Maki was from Josuke at the moment. But that doesn't take away the problem that she could go stand next to a busy highway and then forever have the ability to make cars going at 100km/h appear in front of her.
One method I'd suggest for the memory thing is take advantage of the fact that no one's memory is perfect, we forget a tone of little details about things.Yeah, it would need a few limits to be feasable.
Like, maybe she can project all memories but they can only be solid if they are in contact with The Heart directly or if it like possess them.
Yukako already has a hair control Stand, this seems like her ability plus like 2 more.Well, might as well put up my own Stand idea. Its based on Akiha Tohno's Caging Hair ability from Tsukihime.
Stand name: Blood on the Tracks
Destructive Power: D-A
Speed: C-A
Range: C-A
Durability: B
Precision: C-A
Learning: D
Description: When in use, Blood on the Tracks turns the users hair red and allows its rapid growth and manipulation. The hair can also be spooled into a humanoid figure similar to Stone Free.
Powers: Blood on the Tracks's main ability is to "plunder" energy from others using the user's hair as a medium. The power drain is rabid enough to cause 2nd degree burns on the victims. The plundered energy can then be used to permanently fortify the Stand's base parameters. The Stand cannot exert much physical power until rank A Destructive Power as before that it mainly affects the speed and power of plundering (inflicting more serious burns at higher levels). The Stand's high durability comes from the fact that damaging the hair doesn't damage the user, though it takes a while to regrow it. As the ability's range grows, the user can spread her hair into a larger area, even where she cannot see, and the hair will continue to plunder any who touch it automatically, though with better Precision the user is aware of the hair and can turn the ability off to allow allies to traverse the area.
-Blood on the Tracks: Tangled up in Blue: The secondary ability of the stand. The user reverses the plundering, gifting the gathered stand energy to another in order to heal their wounds. However, the ability is very energy intensive and using it halves the Tracks's upgradeable parameters or until they are back to their base value.
Yes its basically hers plus upgrade (Plundering and its reverse, thought the latter could be left as a later upgrade). The difference is that Blood on the Tracks lacks the physical power Love Deluxe has. Yukako was strong enough to rearrange furniture for example. In parameters, Yukako's is stronger, faster and more durable, at least before upgrades.Yukako already has a hair control Stand, this seems like her ability plus like 2 more.
When the vote off happens I'd just like to make a request, first is that the vote be over a couple days due to how crucial it is and second that we use a ranked vote (Basically voters rank what they want in order from most preferred to least) so that whatever the end result is the most people will be happy.Thank you! I appreciate it that very much. Fad Gadget does sound quite interesting, too.
At one point, we're definitely going to have a vote-off of Stands not too far away, just perhaps after this story post or the next. That way so we can have a consistent vote to see which Stand wins. So develop the Stands for this particular vote. I'll work out the details when it comes to voting for the Stands, maybe I might ask help from others for advice in this regard. That way that the Stand vote-off is fair.