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Jedi Padawan Quest (Star Wars)

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[x] Just try to find him, in order to present him with certain information… but of course if he doesn't believe it, that'll have given away their tactical strike.
[x] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
[x] "'Save us!' and I'll look down and whisper 'Yes, but...'": Are there good people out there? Yes, plenty of people have suffered, Eida and Jix are good, and what evil do the dead children do? But everyone in power has been… heinous. Even the CorSec on their side beat up prisoners… who use vulgar language in front of children. Corellia is corrupt from the very top to the very bottom. It's impossibly greedy, unimaginably cruel, and strikingly undemocratic. She's going to save them all, but it's not, has never been, about deserving. She is a Jedi. She saves people. She protects people. It is what she does, and if she stops merely because they are terrible, where will that logic end? Yet it sickens her, all the same. Did the Sith really cause the hate?

Honest, you had me with the altered Rorschach quote, I just can't reconcile that with Nima and I really want to see where you take that. Feels a little more like the AU Nima.
 
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[X] "We got this fam.": Yes, Nima knows things are grim, but she believes in herself, and Bell, and Eida--on loan to them--and everyone else. They can do this. No two-bit criminal, no third-rate dark-side plague, is going to stop them! They just need to work together, fight together, and trust one another and nothing can defeat them. Stronger than one, stronger than two (Sith rule or no), is many. And the Jedi are many, and they will work together to solve this world's problems. Nobody can get in the way, and even if something goes wrong they can fix it. Perhaps it's a little optimistic, but… Nima has to believe in them, even when she doubts herself.
 
[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
[X] "Take this! My love! My anger! And all of my sorrow!": Last night she felt a child die a few thousand feet from the ship. (They couldn't do anything, had to get ready--). The city rots as people desperately fight for scraps, passing around a fake cure that would destroy them, one approved by a callous Diktat. Eida was tearful and afraid for her people. Jix was negotiating between people struggling with trust, driven by fear and doubt. Han was desperately trying to keep together a ragtag band of children--Enough! In this plague, in everything wrong with Corellia, Nima sees the hand of Darth Sidious and the Sith! Nima has to stop it. Nima has to stop it. The thoughts, the feelings, they whirl around tighter and tighter. A hurricane is forming, and it will crash upon the shores with destructive force.
 
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[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Tell almost all of the story, but keep certain knowledge about Zekka and Sith Alchemy back. Make it seem like a *mostly* mundane threat.

Still can't decide between 3rd and 4th option, need more time again. I feel the 3rd may lead to a path that a bit like Darker Water Nima which interesting. But, the 4th also good becuase it a side of Nima we barely see after episode one, more confident and the hate toward Sith is thing we never see from her before.
 
[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Tell almost all of the story, but keep certain knowledge about Zekka and Sith Alchemy back. Make it seem like a *mostly* mundane threat.
[X] "Take this! My love! My anger! And all of my sorrow!": Last night she felt a child die a few thousand feet from the ship. (They couldn't do anything, had to get ready--). The city rots as people desperately fight for scraps, passing around a fake cure that would destroy them, one approved by a callous Diktat. Eida was tearful and afraid for her people. Jix was negotiating between people struggling with trust, driven by fear and doubt. Han was desperately trying to keep together a ragtag band of children--Enough! In this plague, in everything wrong with Corellia, Nima sees the hand of Darth Sidious and the Sith! Nima has to stop it. Nima has to stop it. The thoughts, the feelings, they whirl around tighter and tighter. A hurricane is forming, and it will crash upon the shores with destructive force.
 
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
Information wants to be free
 
[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
[X] "Take this! My love! My anger! And all of my sorrow!": Last night she felt a child die a few thousand feet from the ship. (They couldn't do anything, had to get ready--). The city rots as people desperately fight for scraps, passing around a fake cure that would destroy them, one approved by a callous Diktat. Eida was tearful and afraid for her people. Jix was negotiating between people struggling with trust, driven by fear and doubt. Han was desperately trying to keep together a ragtag band of children--Enough! In this plague, in everything wrong with Corellia, Nima sees the hand of Darth Sidious and the Sith! Nima has to stop it. Nima has to stop it. The thoughts, the feelings, they whirl around tighter and tighter. A hurricane is forming, and it will crash upon the shores with destructive force.

I love seeing this feeling from Nima.
 
GGreader said:
Still can't decide between 3rd and 4th option, need more time again. I feel the 3rd may lead to a path that a bit like Darker Water Nima which interesting. But, the 4th also good becuase it a side of Nima we barely see after episode one, more confident and the hate toward Sith is thing we never see from her before.
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You think the third option is the real Dark Side one? Interesting. :V
 
Idk, I doubt that "I hate the Smith and use my emotions to destroy them" is uh.
Not dark side-aligned. :V

[X] "We got this fam.": Yes, Nima knows things are grim, but she believes in herself, and Bell, and Eida--on loan to them--and everyone else. They can do this. No two-bit criminal, no third-rate dark-side plague, is going to stop them! They just need to work together, fight together, and trust one another and nothing can defeat them. Stronger than one, stronger than two (Sith rule or no), is many. And the Jedi are many, and they will work together to solve this world's problems. Nobody can get in the way, and even if something goes wrong they can fix it. Perhaps it's a little optimistic, but… Nima has to believe in them, even when she doubts herself.

[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Idk, I doubt that "I hate the Smith and use my emotions to destroy them" is uh.
Not dark side-aligned. :V

[X] "We got this fam.": Yes, Nima knows things are grim, but she believes in herself, and Bell, and Eida--on loan to them--and everyone else. They can do this. No two-bit criminal, no third-rate dark-side plague, is going to stop them! They just need to work together, fight together, and trust one another and nothing can defeat them. Stronger than one, stronger than two (Sith rule or no), is many. And the Jedi are many, and they will work together to solve this world's problems. Nobody can get in the way, and even if something goes wrong they can fix it. Perhaps it's a little optimistic, but… Nima has to believe in them, even when she doubts herself.

[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
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Listen, I know that Will Smith has really been phoning it in for a while, but don't you think this is a little extreme?
 
The Englanderish said:
You think the third option is the real Dark Side one? Interesting. :V
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I think all the options could lead to dark side. 4th one seem more direct and visible like hate and anger toward Sith. But, 3rd one is more subtle, like doubt? It may lead to foundation of trying to make people be better by forcing them, and well, she 'want to save them all' while thinking thing like 'Did the Sith really cause the hate?' So.. . yeah, more in line with Darker water, at least that what I think.
 
[X] Focus on finding and capturing him. It'd be the option with more control, but it'd take more time and resources.
[X] Reveal absolutely everything. Lay it all bare. Even if the details are disturbing. Tell the whole story.
[X] "Take this! My love! My anger! And all of my sorrow!": Last night she felt a child die a few thousand feet from the ship. (They couldn't do anything, had to get ready--). The city rots as people desperately fight for scraps, passing around a fake cure that would destroy them, one approved by a callous Diktat. Eida was tearful and afraid for her people. Jix was negotiating between people struggling with trust, driven by fear and doubt. Han was desperately trying to keep together a ragtag band of children--Enough! In this plague, in everything wrong with Corellia, Nima sees the hand of Darth Sidious and the Sith! Nima has to stop it. Nima has to stop it. The thoughts, the feelings, they whirl around tighter and tighter. A hurricane is forming, and it will crash upon the shores with destructive force.
 
GGreader said:
I think all the options could lead to dark side. 4th one seem more direct and visible like hate and anger toward Sith. But, 3rd one is more subtle, like doubt? It may lead to foundation of trying to make people be better by forcing them, and well, she 'want to save them all' while thinking thing like 'Did the Sith really cause the hate?' So.. . yeah, more in line with Darker water, at least that what I think.
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Well to be fair, "Did the Sith really cause the hate" is actually an accurate question for a lot of things? Is everything wrong with the Republic Palpatine's fault, or were there deeper evils?

Now, the way she's questioning it (and how far she is) might or might not lead to problems, but she's honestly kinda right in that option to go, "Actually the problems with Corellia go deeper than just the Sith meddling in it."
 
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The Laurent said:
Well to be fair, "Did the Sith really cause the hate" is actually an accurate question for a lot of things? Is everything wrong with the Republic Palpatine's fault, or were there deeper evils?

Now, the way she's questioning it (and how far she is) might or might not lead to problems, but she's honestly kinda right in that option to go, "Actually the problems with Corellia go deeper than just the Sith meddling in it."
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I mean, of course they are, but Palpatine is an active agent in this. He uses misery and suffering to achieve his goals, which are... more misery and suffering, since he completely buys into the Sithy aesthetics of the ruleship.

The EU made completely sure there's nothing sympathetic in Palpatine's character, so it's easy to hate on him.

Mind, I don't say that blaming the Sith and only them is the most correct course of action, or even correct at all.
But these four options present Nima's answer to Bell's question about what she chooses to hold on when the planet collapses around her and it all comes to a head. She can choose optimism, camaraderie, objectivity... I want her to hold on her righteous anger.

Why does someone do something so awful to their fellow sentients? How can Anakin live with himself after supporting someone who would do something like this to a world just to discredit and kill a few hundred people who wouldn't even probably get involved at all if the fight wasn't taken to them?

This differs from the abstract "why people support infecting the world they live in", for example, because for Nima, it's personal. Anakin was her friend who betrayed her trust and everything she believes, and I don't think her lying herself about the hatred and hurt she feels to him for it is helping her any.

This is also about the nature of evil question, and I love this shit in fiction, so eh.

Besides, Nima hurts herself sometimes by maintaining impartiality, as shown in the very previous update. She tries to understand and be sympathetic to all people, no matter what they do to her, and like, lol, the worst thing she does to a person who actively used bigoted slurs on her is scare him a little and not offer him any food, my God, Nima, how could you?

She needs to understand where she stands and what she won't allow to be done to herself, because not getting hurt by whatever is thrown at her is obviously not working, she's too empathetic for that. It's not about taking sides, it's about choosing where you stand.
 
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Raiseth said:
Besides, Nima hurts herself sometimes by maintaining impartiality, as shown in the very previous update. She tries to understand and be sympathetic to all people, no matter what they do to her, and like, lol, the worst thing she does to a person who actively used bigoted slurs on her is scare him a little and not offer him any food, my God, Nima, how could you?

She needs to understand where she stands and what she won't allow to be done to herself, because not getting hurt by whatever is thrown at her is obviously not working, she's too empathetic for that. It's not about taking sides, it's about choosing where you stand.
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I am not sure our standards in this regard are applicable to empaths who can literally feel the pain of those near them.
And I wonder how a hypothetical Nima capable of both such Force-induced empathy and yet not trying to be understanding and sympathetic would look and behave like. There must be limits, I suppose, but as demonstrated by the case of a person who is now missing a leg, Nima is capable of prioritizing self-preservation, if forced to choose.

Learning to not be understanding and sympathetic to helpless prisoners is...probably going to be useful for her, I suppose? War is nothing if not loss of innocence.
But I am not sure a hypothetical Nima grown into a kind of empath capable of feeling other people's feelings and yet not being sympathetic to them, even those of them at her mercy and whim, is a person whom current Nima wouldn't want to punch in the face a couple dozen times.
 
ctulhuslp said:
I am not sure our standards in this regard are applicable to empaths who can literally feel the pain of those near them.
And I wonder how a hypothetical Nima capable of both such Force-induced empathy and yet not trying to be understanding and sympathetic would look and behave like. There must be limits, I suppose, but as demonstrated by the case of a person who is now missing a leg, Nima is capable of prioritizing self-preservation, if forced to choose.

Learning to not be understanding and sympathetic to helpless prisoners is...probably going to be useful for her, I suppose? War is nothing if not loss of innocence.
But I am not sure a hypothetical Nima grown into a kind of empath capable of feeling other people's feelings and yet not being sympathetic to them, even those of them at her mercy and whim, is a person whom current Nima wouldn't want to punch in the face a couple dozen times.
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You can be sympathetic, you just don't let it completely influence whatever you do. That would be a martyr complex.

Like, the guy seriously tried to murder Nima for a few times, and when she cut his leg off, it was less self-defense than survival instincts finally kicking in, compare and contrast that one guard who switched the blaster on stun when Nima offered it to him as an option.

About "helpless prisoner". The guy in question isn't blameless or victimless. Leaving distributing plague carrier treatment aside, no one made him use slurs. It was his own idea. He did it with intention to hurt someone in front of him. And even he is a small fry compared to Darth Sidious, who genocides species for funsies later in the timeline.
 
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The Laurent said:
Everyone said that Zekka was half-human. This seemed slightly absurd, but perhaps there were species where the interactions worked like that. It wasn't most species, and even those where it could be mocked up using advanced science it was more a matter of choosing one species or another.
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It seems like most Star Wars aliens are just humans with weird pigments, horns, and/or head tentacles, and sometimes not even that much. In canon (or old canon at least) many "near humans" were implied to be human offshoots that changed due to natural selection/genetic engineering/Rakatan meddling. There are a lot of hybrids but it's really arbitrary which pairings are possible. Humans can breed with Twilek but not (in Legends sources at least) Kish (purple people), Umbaran (pale people), or Rattataki (also pale people, but bald) who are some of the most human-like aliens in Star Wars. Also Mon Calalmari can breed with Quarren, because apparently fish people and squid people are genetically similar. Go figure.
 
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Cogliermo said:
It seems like most Star Wars aliens are just humans with weird pigments, horns, and/or head tentacles, and sometimes not even that much. In canon (or old canon at least) many "near humans" were implied to be human offshoots that changed due to natural selection/genetic engineering/Rakatan meddling. There are a lot of hybrids but it's rally arbitrary which pairings are possible. Humans can breed with Twilek but not (in Legends sources at least) Kish (purple people), Umbaran (pale people), or Rattataki (also pale people, but bald) who are some of the most human-like aliens in Star Wars. Also Mon Calalmari can breed with Quarren, because apparently fish people and squid people are genetically similar. Go figure.
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I have... very mixed feelings on some of this stuff. I actually overruled the "interbreeding with Twi'leks" thing specifically for this AU for two reasons.

1) Half-Twi'lek babies just look a bit off to me. Which isn't really that good of a reason except for the more important 2.
2) I think that for some of the themes in my story as far as Twi'leks and the galaxy go work better if they can't, well, "Physically assimilate."

E: Also, bizarrely, I'd never heard of the Mother Machine until now, but that's actually interesting!
 
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The Laurent said:
I have... very mixed feelings on some of this stuff. I actually overruled the "interbreeding with Twi'leks" thing specifically for this AU for two reasons.

1) Half-Twi'lek babies just look a bit off to me. Which isn't really that good of a reason except for the more important 2.
2) I think that for some of the themes in my story as far as Twi'leks and the galaxy go work better if they can't, well, "Physically assimilate."
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Oh no. Whatever am I going to do about my five seconds old dreams of Katarina's and Nima's genetically engineered baby.

Eh, Star Wars generally took this stuff from its pulp sci-fi roots, so a lot of it doesn't make much sense on closer inspection.
 
Raiseth said:
Er. He married the widow after deserting, according to WOG.
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It wasn't explicitly said, but Pablo Hidalgo posted on twitter that they were supposed to be his step children who just happen to be half human. My guess is that someone realized that the Clone Wars didn't last long long enough for a deserter to have children that age.
 
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