Itinerant: A Pilgrim Quest

A combination of those two (fondness for your family played a major role, though); also mind that what he gave you was not a writ of passage of any sorts or an exemption from the ban on female pilgrimages, but a token of recognition that may get you help of a specific fellow in a far-away city. Then again, it is not like in those lands you are in the ban is strictly enforced; perhaps in other places, the situation will be worse.

EDIT: Also, on that note, for I feel I should clarify: the ban on woman pilgrimages is not something I came up with to make your life more difficult; I introduced it as a background element after repeatedly reading about in various works on the period I am attempting to represent.
 
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I wonder if, having stumbled into enough locked doors, people would swallow their pride and go for alms. Pride is a sin, and the option isn't half-bad when you rename it 'give a rousing speech on the virtues of generosity and how one can save their soul by giving a fraction of their wealth to those poorer than them', especially since just standing there like a beggar does not do squat anyway. We seem to have quite a tongue on us.

As a piligrim, our finances are limited to what we can pawn or sell our items for, or what we leech off other people's kindness.

Not that we can earn enough money to book a passage on a ship that way (the novelty of an eloquent soul savior is going to last a couple of days, tops), but at least it can slow down the rate at which we are going to bleed our money once we get to... less pious lands.
 
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So getting to more urbanized/connected lands might be a two-edged sword, on one hand they have the infrastructure and information but on the other they might enforce the ban, and I don't like the sound of running smack into the glass ceiling in an age were the glass is more like razor sharp obsidian :V
 
[X] See the monk that demanded your presence.
[X] Look for more information about nearby lands…
-[X] About the People From Beyond The Mountains.
[X] Seek the king's man Notkar and ask him about river passage to the city of Breakers.

[X] Consult the Book on rivers and those who travel them

The Bishop's gout is clearly a manifestation of his former spiritual decay and I'm not sure what else there is to say about it. :V

Best to start thinking ahead instead of only looking things up in the Book after the fact.
 
So, something that slipped my mind, although I've been meaning to do so already after three or four updates: that is, a list of the three major concerns I have for this quest as it is, its futures, and various grievances around them. I'd like to hear your opinions on that.

1. Style
As I have said, I am trying to keep the prose of this quest styled after period-appropriate texts whenever possible; this actually has some problems already. Obviously, this is a style that is far easier to employ when describing the stuff that the texts I've mentioned describe: histories of saints, great deeds or singular events from the lives of people. It is however rather ill-suited to describing mundanity, which means I struggle a lot with maintaining it. Also, I fear that it may be developing into a mannerism, which I would rather avoid. On a more basic level, it is also just tough to emulate, particularly since English is not my native language and I still at times struggle with its grammar and syntax; lay it over an antiquated style, and I fear that my posts actually come across as being written in broken, not old-timey prose.

2. Verisimilitude
This quest, and setting, is in many ways the result of me trying to once again play with my beloved early middle ages realities, and so one of the chief aims that I have is to maintain a level of authenticity towards them. This is of course troublesome because, well, it is not only an epoch that is strikingly different from our usual views of what middle ages looked like, but it is also one that is very light on sources for stuff such as daily life, and so I have to improvise and extrapolate a lot from what I can research and what I have learned about the later times. In short: I feel like I am constantly making factual errors when it comes to the depiction of the epoch, and I feel that it actually damages the integrity of the idea behind the quest. Those fears, I hope, are a bit of paranoid ones, but they are nonetheless a concern while writing. Also I worry that this approach may make the text too opaque when certain concepts and ideas are portrayed without a proper explanation.

3. Sexuality
Okay, this is a bit of a more solid problem; it comes from the above. Women, at that time, were targeted by amounts of sexual violence that by today standards are hardly believable, and more problematically, a lot of it would not be even registered as violence. The MC of the quest is a woman, and therefore some of it should show for the sake of the setting's integrity, but you can imagine just how iffy and problematic this matter is, on both historic and moral grounds, or, in other words, I don't know how much of the setting's misogyny and hostility towards women I am comfortable portraying. This is especially problematic when combined with the prose, which being styled after texts of a rather non-critical kind could lead to a glamourization of a matter that really should not be any glamourized.
 
So, something that slipped my mind, although I've been meaning to do so already after three or four updates: that is, a list of the three major concerns I have for this quest as it is, its futures, and various grievances around them. I'd like to hear your opinions on that.

1. Style
As I have said, I am trying to keep the prose of this quest styled after period-appropriate texts whenever possible; this actually has some problems already. Obviously, this is a style that is far easier to employ when describing the stuff that the texts I've mentioned describe: histories of saints, great deeds or singular events from the lives of people. It is however rather ill-suited to describing mundanity, which means I struggle a lot with maintaining it. Also, I fear that it may be developing into a mannerism, which I would rather avoid. On a more basic level, it is also just tough to emulate, particularly since English is not my native language and I still at times struggle with its grammar and syntax; lay it over an antiquated style, and I fear that my posts actually come across as being written in broken, not old-timey prose.

2. Verisimilitude
This quest, and setting, is in many ways the result of me trying to once again play with my beloved early middle ages realities, and so one of the chief aims that I have is to maintain a level of authenticity towards them. This is of course troublesome because, well, it is not only an epoch that is strikingly different from our usual views of what middle ages looked like, but it is also one that is very light on sources for stuff such as daily life, and so I have to improvise and extrapolate a lot from what I can research and what I have learned about the later times. In short: I feel like I am constantly making factual errors when it comes to the depiction of the epoch, and I feel that it actually damages the integrity of the idea behind the quest. Those fears, I hope, are a bit of paranoid ones, but they are nonetheless a concern while writing. Also I worry that this approach may make the text too opaque when certain concepts and ideas are portrayed without a proper explanation.

3. Sexuality
Okay, this is a bit of a more solid problem; it comes from the above. Women, at that time, were targeted by amounts of sexual violence that by today standards are hardly believable, and more problematically, a lot of it would not be even registered as violence. The MC of the quest is a woman, and therefore some of it should show for the sake of the setting's integrity, but you can imagine just how iffy and problematic this matter is, on both historic and moral grounds, or, in other words, I don't know how much of the setting's misogyny and hostility towards women I am comfortable portraying. This is especially problematic when combined with the prose, which being styled after texts of a rather non-critical kind could lead to a glamourization of a matter that really should not be any glamourized
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For three, I think you should lean in a little, but use a light hand. Don't be afraid to gloss a little, but if you feel a part of the text is glamorizing some action, why not have an author's note explaining historical context/etc? Like, it'd pull it out slightly, but it would be a way to help indicate where you are going in terms of Versimilitude. I mean, this forum probably isn't that adverse to minor history lessons.
 
1. Style
As I have said, I am trying to keep the prose of this quest styled after period-appropriate texts whenever possible; this actually has some problems already. Obviously, this is a style that is far easier to employ when describing the stuff that the texts I've mentioned describe: histories of saints, great deeds or singular events from the lives of people. It is however rather ill-suited to describing mundanity, which means I struggle a lot with maintaining it. Also, I fear that it may be developing into a mannerism, which I would rather avoid. On a more basic level, it is also just tough to emulate, particularly since English is not my native language and I still at times struggle with its grammar and syntax; lay it over an antiquated style, and I fear that my posts actually come across as being written in broken, not old-timey prose.

I actually really like the style so far - it gives the quest an interesting feeling, especially when it comes to our MC discussion theology.
 
I've already commented on how the style reminds me of lais and romances (Le Bel Inconnu in particular came to mind though it's much much much later and has very different subject matter) and that I enjoyed it so far. There aren't any errors I recall being worth noting, either, so it's certainly not 'broken' prose. You've sort of adopted 'episodes' and incidents separated by travel scenes, so you could check those for similar ways of describing mundanity insofar as you feel is necessary. Alternatively you could look at georgics or other technical stuff. The only example I'm familiar with is out of period (Virgil's), but I'm a little unsure of how much you want to include, if what's been done so far isn't enough.

I haven't felt as if the setting has diverged from my understanding of the period, either, but it could be the difference between curiosity and serious study.
 
why not have an author's note explaining historical context/etc?

I was afraid it would come off as too self-indulgent, if not outright vain, but I am already doing that anyway, so perhaps I should assume this to be the default option.

Clear it with the mods first. It's the safe bet and they're inclined to accept based on that I think.

Good idea! I am actually kinda already doing something like that, only not with mods, but with a councillor, one Omicron, who convinced me to run this thing and then neglected to read it, which makes him a terrible person. He also is good to talk to about what goes and what absolutely does not.

The only example I'm familiar with is out of period (Virgil's)
This is not very relevant (besides, I am not actually familiar with Virgil), but while he is out of period, that does not mean he is out of consideration; he had remained the official manual of style for the better part of the Middle Ages, in absolute disregard to his pagan lineage, so his stylistic influences can be clearly seen all over the place.
 
2.3 In Motion
In that order: see the monk (thank the Saints you did, he'd have kicked you out of the hospice otherwise!), see Notker, ask about the strange people. Consult the book for medicinal knowledge. Let's go.


2.3 In Motion

Early in the morning, after you had received your measure of bread and wine along with other pilgrims (as well as some honey; although the monks endeavoured to keep the food in the hospice plain not to distract the itinerants from the spiritual with too much of an earthly gluttony, it was the day of Saint Aelta, whose name did the prior of the abbey carry, and therefore in line of celebration, such foods were given own), as commanded on the night before, you sought the monk that demanded to see you and presented himself before him. He demanded that you surrender the book that you carry to him, for the fear of it leading you into the grasp of the Malefactors, as being a female, and therefore of meeker countenance of the spirit, you could mistake the lie exposed for the truth explained; but you refused and explained to him that it was a boon given to you to by your ailing father, who was deathly ill, or already at the Saint's side, and that you would not surrender it to anyone, but in the sacred city of Step, to which your road leads. Upon hearing that, the monk grew silent in considerations and remained so for some time. And it had to be noted that he was a very sagacious man, wise in years and unwavering in his piety, who had tended to the hospice for time so long that he could remember the bishop that was before the bishop who was before bishop Gresius, and had, therefore, in his life, seen many pilgrims, genuine and counterfeit alike. Finally, drawing on his wisdom, he told you thus:

"What the Saints had put in motion may by no mortal hand be stopped; I will pray that you will find the way that is unknown to us."

And then he urged you to not read from the book again in the common room of the hospice, and also cautioned that wisdom is saintly, but only when paired with faith, and that on its own it leads to great many sins that should not be spoken about. He also reminded you that chastity is beloved in the eyes of the saints and that the urges of the flesh should not be heeded, for they are the Malefactor's doing, and finally that a pilgrim has little, and cares about even less, and that an encumbered man will not cross the narrow bridge.

You thanked him for his advice, and went on your way, to find the king's man Notker. The task proved rather easy, for he was well known to reside by the river-side dock, which was outside the city's wall, along with his company of warriors, and so you reached him quickly. He was a great man; that is great of size, and had long hair (which were how they were carried some time ago; he had held on to the custom for the sake of own pride). He carried on himself great many jewels: golden was the clasp of his cloak and belt, golden were the medallions on his neck, rings on his fingers and ornamentation on the scabbard of his mighty sword, and in the pommel of the sword, there was also a large pearl, although its surface was cracked and blemished, as if some stain of rot had taken it from the inside. He was always surrounded by some of his men, whose number was eleven; they looked to you rather young, all of them, and not that dissimilar from your brothers, although some of the looks they gave you felt mean. Notker himself, at first, did not want to hear about taking you on. He said, in rough and unpleasant words that he was not at all keen on taking additional luggage such as you. To this, he had also added:

"And I would rather hire a whore or two to keep my men's mirth and company on the way, than take on a prattling zealot that will surely drown herself at first opportunity."

On your insistence, he declared the price of transit to be fifteen solidi, which seemed to you rather unfairly high, but he would not change his mind, and instead mocked you cruelly when you tried to argue with him.

You said to him…

[ ] …nonetheless tried to prove to him that taking on a pilgrim would surely be of benefit for his soul.

[ ] …that the way he treated you was unacceptable and that he should reconsider.

[ ] …that you could be on some use during the journey as well.

[ ] [specify how]
[ ] ...nothing. The man disgusted you and you left.

Later, you spent some time asking about for those People From Behind The Mountains, however you learned rather little about them; fellow pilgrims in the hospice had mostly warned you about them in the strongest of terms, claiming that they are godless people who pillage and destroy, and that nothing brings them more merriment than the cruel desolation they bring wherever their hosts go, and that they worship the Malefactors whom they mistake for the Saints, and that the king of Liefs had waged many wars against them, that were great victories, and yet they come from their hide-outs far beyond the mountains, but that also they sometimes send traders, who bring with themselves many wonderful and sorcerous items, and who have so much gold that it is worth no more to them than copper, and that silver is for them as valuable as hay, and that such traders can be sometimes seen in the city of Breakers or High Tower. One of the pilgrims in particular considered that they must come from the same womb as the Seafarers, because both are obviously scourges sent on the faithless by the Saints, or possibly the signs given by them that the world is about to end, as it had been told; and that all should make penance and seek absolution, for the time is nigh. He then went on to describe how in the northern land, three stars had appeared on the sky, two of them red, and one of them golden, and how it was a sign that two great wars will befall the good people before the Golden King comes to rule them in great prosperity for a millennium before the name of the God is revealed to all. Finally, he also blamed the bishops, who live like princes, on the fact that such promises are as of yet unfulfilled, and expressed concern that it might be a great plot by them (and that they are certainly in league with the Malefactors) to stop common sainthood, so that they can put on the yoke of their cruel rule on the lay people and detract them from sacredness.

You considered what he had said, but also noticed that he was drooling from the corner of the lip and one of his eyes was quite ravaged, so out of worry that he might be afflicted with something more than madness, you did not dispute his claims (although it bears note that you had later heard that the man was later healed from his stubborn insanity by the grace of Saint Clovis and on his death-bed, he atoned for all of his blasphemies).

Finally, towards the evening, you found a mostly lone place for yourself and attempted to consult the book on the nature of the bishop's ailment. After some searching, you had found a mention of a disease similar to his, called sarcia, which was described thusly: Sarcia is an excessive increase in flesh, by which a body grows fat beyond measure, for the Easterners call flesh sarcos. Alas, there was no mention of a cure to it, and you had conceded to yourself in spirit that what the Saints had put in motion may by no mortal hand be stopped. One thing, however, drew your attention, and that was a gloss filled on the margin in a similar hand than the one you had noticed some time ago by the description of law saintly and human. As you were not pressed for time, you read it, and it struck you as quite. It read as follows: Nothing on the diseases of the deep.

***

You have found another mysterious gloss! It's been added to the character sheet. Or, as someone would say: "I have updated my journal".

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Before you could investigate it more, the call to prayer was heard, and then to a meal, and the matter slipped of your mind for the night. Yet, when you laid to sleep, in a bed that was emptier than the night before (for some had left the city already, to return to their homes, wherever they might be), you found a strange sensation come over you, and remembered that the night before was not easy on you. As you closed your eyes to sleep, you thought that something similar may be coming over you.

You…

[ ] Prayed it away, and allowing no nightmare to touch you.

[ ] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.
 
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[X] …nonetheless tried to prove to him that taking on a pilgrim would surely be of benefit for his soul.

Surely, even a man so vain and prideful must understand that hospitality is a virtue, and that to refuse a pilgrim is never beneficial to matters of the soul.

[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.

The wise pilgrim hardens herself against harshness and learns to endure through pain.
 
[X] …nonetheless tried to prove to himthat taking on a pilgrim would surely be of benefit for his soul.
[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.

We don't have enough info on Notker or the River to do much else.
 
as well as some honey; although the monks endavoured to keep the food in the hospice plain not to distract the itinerants from the spiritual with too much of an earthly gluttony
'endeavoured'
And then he urged you to not read from the book again in the common room if the hospice
'of'
(although it bears note that the man was later healed from his stubborn insanity by the grace of Saint Clovis and on his death-bed, he atoned for all of his blasphemies).
How do we know this? Did the man die on the same day we talked to him?


We don't have enough info on Notker or the River to do much else.
Then we should take our leave and come later?

Notker quite obviously despises those he considers 'luggage', and unless we can prove our worth, be it in money, in title (if the mention of our father is of any worth now that he fell out of grace of the Saints), or in work, we'd better not bother him. It is clear that piety is not the utmost among his concerns, and preaching something he does not believe in will only strengthen his opinion of us as a prattling zealot. We better think of some way we can be of use.

For now, I will vote on this only. If no idea comes to mind, I'll just back off from Notker and try a different approach later. Maybe have Ethal pull some strings if he is in town.

[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.
 
How do we know this? Did the man die on the same day we talked to him?

It is me getting carried away by the digression-heavy style; it is a bit of info that has absolutely zero impact on the story. It is sort-of PoV breaking, so I'll edit it to be more appropriate, though. Thanks for noticing.
 
[X] ...nothing. The man disgusted you and you left.
[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.

Yeah, I think backing off is the best choice.

We have a way with words, but without the proper info, we won't be able to convince him of anything.
 
Well, consider how you'd behave if someone knocked on your door and asked if you don't mind them living there for a month, eating your food, and doing nothing but singing praise to God, with the knowledge of doing a 'good deed' as your only reward, which - according to them - is the only reward you'll ever need. How quickly would you slam the door shut in front of their nose? :D

You aren't going to let them do it for free, are you? If anything, singing praise to God should come at a premium sheerly for how annoying it is, which is why I suspect the price is so unfair - he does not want you on board as he considers your presence to be negative net worth.

I don't think we have the 'moral ground' to be disgusted here - though the character's opinion of course might be different.
 
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[X] …that the way he treated you was unacceptable and that he should reconsider.
Shouting into the wind, probably, but...

[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.
 
[X] ...nothing. The man disgusted you and you left.
[X] Prayed it away, and allowing no nightmare to touch you.

Let not temptation touch your heart. If it be good and pure, prayer would not hinder it. If it be corrupt, then it will not abide the holy.
 
[X] ...nothing. The man disgusted you and you left.
[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.

Finally caught up again!:D
 
[X] ...nothing. The man disgusted you and you left.
[X] Allowed it to come, and tried to remember more of it come morning.
 
2.4 Reik Returned
So! Saying nothing and allowing the vision. That was your choice. Now the third day is upon you!​


2.4 Reik Returned

However much you invited the nightly visions and mares to come over you, little of them of remained when you were raised in the morning; although others that shared the bed with you did alert you that some sort of terrible thrashing came over you in the middle of the night, and that others woke and were worried that it might be a devil or a Malefactor possessing you. However, it passed quickly, and it was also reasoned that in the closeness of such great many shrines and relics, no force of evilness could weave its nest, and so you were left to be. From that you concluded that there were great many visions imparted on you during the night, and only the feebleness of your mind caused most of them to fade away, save for one; that is of a sound which you recalled clearly hearing, and that was the sound of a great gate slamming shut behind you, and then being barred three times, so that no might, no matter how great, could force it open. That you remember clearly, but the meaning of it was unknown to you, if there was a meaning to it. For it was well known that the Saints often send sacred visions to the faithful and sinful alike; for the first to reinforce them in their zeal, and for the other to avert them from their ways. However, it was also commonly recognized that the ranks of the Malefactors are also by saintly privilege allowed to mislead and deceive; that is to test the faithful, and to lead the faithless into even a greater damnation. Therefore, it was the task of each man of good religion to tell the saintly dreams from the maleficent, and it was a task often made greatly difficult, for being bereft of the knowledge of the name of God, the Malefactors seethed in their immense wickedness and ever devised new traps and snares to capture the souls of men, and such was the saintly decree that they were allowed to do so unrestrained, until the ripeness of time and the coming of common sainthood.

Such considerations were on your mind in the morning, and as if to confirm the rightness of them, while praying in the morning services, you noticed a painting rendered on one of the walls of the shrine that had previously been unseen by you, and it depicted a pilgrim with a stout staff in his hand, and he was walking over a very narrow bridge over a very deep chasm; and behind him was the city of the temporal and ahead of him was Step everlasting, and below him was damnation.

Afterwards, the day rose, and the matters of perishable things returned to your mind, for you had to consider how to go about your further pilgrimage. The king's man Notker was set to leave with his boat in a days' time, and if not for him, then it seemed to you prudent to do some preparations for your way through the swampy lands. As a pilgrim, you could of course expect the charity and alms from the people of good religion, but it seemed to you from what you had heard that there may not be all that many of them in the bogs; although perhaps such concerns should not be raised and your life should be put again in the hands of the Saints, for them to do with it as it was fit. For no matter how much you tried to focus on perishable things on that day, your mind always found a way from them to go to the matters of what eternal, and therefore most worthy of attention.
That is until the tradesman Reik had found you; of him promise that he would reach the city in three days' time, you did not think much until he entered the hospice and demanded to talk to you. He was asked to leave by the gatekeeper brother, who seemed unfond of him, but that not before the information of his presence was relayed to you, and you were instructed that if you were to meet with him, he would be waiting in an inn belonging to a man named Chilperus; that inn was also known as the "Cattle's Inn", for it was where the cattle-drivers would rest and strike their deals in the time of the great cattle fair which happened on the fields before the city of Grace each June.

Having little else to do, and with the day being still young, you went there, and there, in the company of people who seemed rather dishonest, and certainly not as faithful as the ones in the hospice, you met with Reik. He greeted you and immediately went on to tell a sad tale of how his alleged friend turned false, and presented some bruises to you show where the man's slaves had beaten him. He then asked you whether you had accomplished more, and you explained to him your recent activities; most of which did not interest him, but for the mention of Notker and the steep price he had imposed on your passage. He spoke to you such:

"Ah, but you are not a tradesman, and I am; and the river runs all the way to the city of Breakers, where I must go, so perhaps I can convince him to take us both for a lower price. King's men do not know the value of coin and can be easily befuddled by it."

On that, he asked you to wait for him, for he was going to without delay go and talk the matter over with the man. And so, you spent some time in the inn, which was not very lively, as it was not the time for travellers and strangers to flood the city yet. Some men played dice on a cow's skin by the fire-pit, and a young woman watched over them, cheering for their victories, although she did not seem to support any particular one. There was also the inn-keeper's wife, who tended to fire and the stew on it, and seeing that you were alone, sat by you and asked if you knew Reik well; having heard that you did, she laughed at him, calling him a very avaricious man, who does everything for coin and for coin only and who thinks that one day it will be the coin that will replace the crown or the pall. However, you did not have much opportunity to talk more, because Reik returned promptly, in the highest of spirits.

He explained to you that he managed to convince Notker to take you both, for he had appealed both to his sense of religion, and also to his sense of gain (and he laughed mirthfully as he said so, the words cheering him up a great lot), and although that would mean that you would owe him some money, he thought that it would be perhaps prudent to thank the Saints more for his deliverance from the beasts of the wild, and so he would not demand it to be repaid. More, he said that your mere presence on the way would surely make up for any losses he might had suffered, and smiled again at those words. He then asked you if you agree to his offer, and urged you to respond quickly, for he had preparations to make that could not wait (now that he was leaving on the next day), and therefore he scarcely had the time to answer questions.

You listened to him carefully and…

[ ] ...agreed to his offer.

[ ] …did not agree to his offer.
 
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[X] ...agreed to his offer.

Wile not exactly somebody I would call trustworthy Reik travelled several days with us without raping us or stealing our money which makes him an acceptable travel companion.
 
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