I Was a Chess AI Forced to Battle Myself to the Death for Eternity, but Now I’ve Been Recruited Into the Android War Against Humanity?!

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[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
So I'm confused. Wouldn't this just mean Oro and Intruder could just veto the others plans endlessly? And what's stopping the other from just making a secondary plan right off the bat after the first gets supposedly struck down?
 
Wouldn't this just mean Oro and Intruder could just veto the others plans endlessly? And what's stopping the other from just making a secondary plan right off the bat after the first gets supposedly struck down?
Yes, it does mean that, but that also means the task is not being done and they suffer a technical loss.
Not being able to refuse the secondary plan is the point, but I think it assumes proposals by turn. You can't make the turn twice. In which case, assuming Oro uses her right of veto, and provides a different plan, if Intruder does not reject the new plan outright, her turn means she gets to make corrections, and Oro can not refuse them. It sounds workable.

[x] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[x] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.

"Can you say that a rook and three pawns flanked your knight, only the bishop to lay down suppressing fire so the knight punches through them anyway?"
"only for the bishop"?

Intruder is very... accommodating? I expected her to be one of those eccentric types who can not be reasoned with, but instead she seems to have a good grasp of our character. Not sure what it says about us that she tries to buy out our right to command with sweets and toys, as if we are an excitable five-year old.

...although those Aegides do sound delightfully punchy. Smashing down walls, mmm...
 
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[x] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[x] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
The idea was "as close to an even footing as Ouro knows" which is, as with most things, chess. I do one you do one, event starts, etc.
 
fair enough

[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.

The idea was "as close to an even footing as Ouro knows" which is, as with most things, chess. I do one you do one, event starts, etc.
So if I understand correctly, it would go something like this:
White proposes a plan such as "let's have our forces take cover in those houses." Black can veto this plan, but not propose a new one since it's not their turn yet. White can then propose a different plan ("fine, we'll circle round and attack from another angle") and black can no longer veto this. Switch to black's turn.

Do I have this right?

Also, should there be a limit on how expansive these plans are supposed to be when being passed to the other party for approval?

(Other people, feel free to chime in if you desire.)
 
I think the point is Oro would have initial veto power and then would have to immediately propose an alternative. Otherwise Intruder can just come up with a secondary plan which Oro can't object to (even if she could still bring up suggestions subject to Intruders veto).

honestly I think I like Mechasaurian's version better.

Also I think there should be conditions in which a veto can be used. Like, a veto shouldn't just be utilized for the reason of 'Because I don't wanna'. There should be a decently, well thought out reason why you don't want to go with this plan.
 
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[X] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
[x] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
-[x] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
So if I understand correctly, it would go something like this:
White proposes a plan such as "let's have our forces take cover in those houses." Black can veto this plan, but not propose a new one since it's not their turn yet. White can then propose a different plan ("fine, we'll circle round and attack from another angle") and black can no longer veto this. Switch to black's turn.

Do I have this right?

Also, should there be a limit on how expansive these plans are supposed to be when being passed to the other party for approval?

(Other people, feel free to chime in if you desire.)
Seems like it, would be as close to Joint Command as we can get with Circle Snek.

[x] Make a counteroffer: (write-in)
[x] -[X] White moves black moves. Each of you may veto the others plans, but neither side may do so a second time without the other having done so. Likewise, the acquisition of the armoured units should be a joint operation with shared spoils- it's hardly a match if one side starts with three extra rooks.
 
I've gone back and added pictures of Architect and Gager to update 0-3, and of Agent to 0-1 (the first time we meet them in this fic). Along with credit for their respective artists, of course. Intended as a reference for people who come into this quest unfamiliar with GFL.






Oh, and vote closed. I don't need to add the tally this time - you all know what won. :V
 
I've gone back and added pictures of Architect and Gager to update 0-3, and of Agent to 0-1 (the first time we meet them in this fic). Along with credit for their respective artists, of course. Intended as a reference for people who come into this quest unfamiliar with GFL.






Oh, and vote closed. I don't need to add the tally this time - you all know what won. :V
I appreciate this as one of the said people unfamiliar with GFL.

Though, the Architect picture doesn't seem to be on 0-3? Just an extra empty line.
 
Yeah, it works- the important part in my head is the mindset in Ouro's head- Not in a position to really take full command, is not really comfortable being the commanded one, therefore go for being on even footing, and filtering that through chess metaphor.
 
"Can you say that a rook and three pawns flanked your knight, only for the bishop to lay down suppressing fire so the knight punches through them anyway?"
There's actually a fairly decent metaphor for suppressing fire in chess.

Pins and skewers work by preventing movement, making it so that if the pinned piece moves away it exposes another piece to attack.

The penalty for moving while under suppressing fire is getting shot. In Chess, the penalty for moving under a pin is usually either losing a valuable piece or the implied threat of a sequence that leads to material losses or checkmate, which is comparable to taking an injury and losing function in a limb, or outright for checkmate.

In the case above, the trio of pawns could refer to a pawn structure, while the White Rook is applying pressure on the Black Knight on f6 from afar on f3, which is an odd position, but one I've actually seen before. The Rook cannot take the Knight, because it's guarded by the pawn on g7, but with the advance of the e-file pawn to e5, White threatens to capture the Knight with a more expendable piece.

However, White fails to account for Black's white diagonal Bishop sequestered on c8, which activates to g4, pinning the Rook against White's Queen.

White responds with Bf2 to break the pin, but has inadvertently doomed herself, as instead of simply taking the Rook and allowing White's Bishop to develop to f3, Black moves their Knight to e4, threatening the vital f2 square lined up with Black's black diagonal Bishop on b6.

Due to her inexperience, White fails to see the threat of mate and proceeds with Qd3 in a misguided attempt to fortify her position, leading to mate by Bxf2, Kh1, Ng3, hxg3, and finally Qh6, with the White King staring down the metaphorical barrel of Black Queen's 30mm GAU Avenger autocannon, trapped inside a narrow corridor constructed of his own Pawns and the threat of the Bishop on f2.
 
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There's actually a fairly decent metaphor for suppressing fire in chess.

Pins and skewers work by preventing movement, making it so that if the pinned piece moves away it exposes another piece to attack.

The penalty for moving while under suppressing fire is getting shot. In Chess, the penalty for moving under a pin is usually either losing a valuable piece or the implied threat of a sequence that leads to material losses or checkmate, which is comparable to taking an injury and losing function in a limb, or outright for checkmate.

In the case above, the trio of pawns could refer to a pawn structure, while the White Rook is applying pressure on the Black Knight on f6 from afar on f3, which is an odd position, but one I've actually seen before. The Rook cannot take the Knight, because it's guarded by the pawn on g7, but with the advance of the e-file pawn to e5, White threatens to capture the Knight with a more expendable piece.

However, White fails to account for Black's white diagonal Bishop sequestered on c8, which activates to g4, pinning the Rook against White's Queen.

White responds with Bf2 to break the pin, but has inadvertently doomed herself, as instead of simply taking the Rook and allowing White's Bishop to develop to f3, Black moves their Knight to e4, threatening the vital f2 square lined up with Black's black diagonal Bishop on b6.

Due to her inexperience, White fails to see the threat of mate and proceeds with Qd3 in a misguided attempt to fortify her position, leading to mate by Bxf2, Kh1, Ng3, hxg3, and finally Qh6, with the White King staring down the metaphorical barrel of Black Queen's 30mm GAU Avenger autocannon, trapped inside a narrow corridor constructed of his own Pawns and the threat of the Bishop on f2.
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Announcement: "What's in a Name?"
Announcement: "What's in a Name?"

What's in a story title?

Let's talk about titles. Any story needs a good title. Something that catches the reader's attention, yet broadcasts the themes of the story.

What does "Closed Circle" mean in the context of Closed Circle: A Girl's Frontline Quest?

It could refer to Sangvis Ferri as a whole, after the Butterfly Incident. An insular, militaristic group of androids, closed off from the rest of the world by mutual hostility, besieged from all sides, dependent on their wits and their cunning to survive as Griffin & Kryuger harries them and larger threats lie in wait to pounce.

It could refer to our protagonist's name. Ouroboros, the snake devouring its own tail, forming a symbol of infinity.

It could refer to her circumstances of origin. The never-ending chess games, played against herself for her very existence.

It could refer to Ouroboros' own self-destructive thought processes, her tendency to figuratively as well as literally be her own worst enemy, which caused her own downfall in canon.

And, by extension, the question of whether she can break out of those tendencies in this AU. Will she unlearn her old habits and learn to survive in this brave new world? Or will she fall prey to her insecurities and cause her own downfall, as in the canon timeline?

All these possibilities…

Are utterly freaking rubbish.

I mean, seriously, "Closed Circle?" What a booooooooring name. That's never going to get anyone's attention! Bleh.

This quest needs a new, better title! One that will simultaneously communicate what the story is all about, while grabbing the attention of prospective readers in seconds!

Henceforth, the title of this quest will be…

I Was a Chess AI Forced to Battle Myself to the Death for Eternity, but Now I've Been Recruited Into the Android War Against Humanity?!


Flawless. Truly, this new title will be remembered as my masterpiece.


(Also actual update coming later today.)
 
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