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Hoshu said:
So san do we gain a plus persuasion on Our proposal since 4 levels of food ain't cheap no matter how you look at it also in a food to unit ratio how much food is 15 twili mages worth?
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a slight bonus to it yes, also there is no exact ratio though expecting 15! FIFTEEN! mages of any kind that cheaply is insane.


here is a rough range with your food levels as the baseline.

1: .5-3 mages for a year.
2: 1-6 mages for a year
3: 1.5-9 mages for a year,
4: etc.

it depends on how much they need the food, how much they like AND respect you, how well you bargain it, how good the mages are, and many other variables, given Twili mages are some of the best, I can't see you guys getting more than 2.5 mages for a year per food level given to them for a year and that is IF you roll a crit on negotiations.
Void Stalker said:
Wants- Metal, Stone, Mage assistance (research and training)

This is in addition to the previous request of alliance, marriage and open trade.

Mages in combat would be covered by the alliance.

Moving we can offer having to face only the moblins and even there we have a wall and fortified city with siege equipment. A combined garrison between our nations would work well to hold it against an attack
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1: they don't have a large regular army they have a POWERFUL army but that is mostly because of their mages.

2: atm Midna is very unlikely to accept the military alliance because you are offering her people no real benefit for it since you can't help them at all.

3: they only face the gerudo currently, and they are doing alright at war they just can't get enough food.

4: I will warn you it is INSANELY expensive to train mages of any kind and you will soon be able to begin training faith based mages (priests) so might not be a good idea to try and do both especially if they end up joining your nation through marriage. (Plus Twili magic is not very well suited for Ordonians or Hylians to learn.)
 
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san said:
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1: they don't have a large regular army they have a POWERFUL army but that is mostly because of their mages. Also no, atm Midna is very unlikely to accept the military alliance because you are offering her people no real benefit for it since you can't help them at all.
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Would that change though if they moved next to us but did not join us since then it would be easy for our two armies to move back and forth
 
Void Stalker said:
Would that change though if they moved next to us but did not join us since then it would be easy for our two armies to move back and forth
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yes it would since the Moblins would be a threat to them to if that happened but currently they are at war with the Gerudo which you can't really help them with unless you want to commit suicide via Moblin invasion.
 
[ ] Plan Trade Take 2
-[ ] Ordona offers up to 4 levels of food a turn in trade
-[ ] Ordona offers up to 500 wood a turn in trade
-[ ] Ordona offers political alliance
-[ ] Link's offer to Midna remains (marriage)
-[ ] Ordona offers up some of the land near them for resettlement of the Twilii people
-[ ] If resettlement is accepted an offer of a military alliance is extended
-[ ] Ordona is requesting Metal then Stone as well as some mages (probably food level 2 worth), our priority is metal then stone (would like 500 metal a turn before accepting stone) exact numbers are based on what they can offer

For the Twilii do they have a terrain they favor for a new home? Also how much space would they want as depending on if it works and their numbers I could see some split of the region we recently scouted for resources since I would expect that we would continue trading with each other.

@san how would they take this offer and does this cover what they want?
 
Void Stalker said:
[ ] Plan Trade Take 2
-[ ] Ordona offers up to 4 levels of food a turn in trade
-[ ] Ordona offers up to 500 wood a turn in trade
-[ ] Ordona offers political alliance
-[ ] Link's offer to Midna remains (marriage)
-[ ] Ordona offers up some of the land near them for resettlement of the Twilii people
-[ ] If resettlement is accepted an offer of a military alliance is extended
-[ ] Ordona is requesting Metal then Stone as well as some mages (probably food level 2 worth), our priority is metal then stone (would like 500 metal a turn before accepting stone) exact numbers are based on what they can offer

For the Twilii do they have a terrain they favor for a new home? Also how much space would they want as depending on if it works and their numbers I could see some split of the region we recently scouted for resources since I would expect that we would continue trading with each other.

@san how would they take this offer and does this cover what they want?
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they would need pretty much the entire place in the southeast that you just scouted. You can't even properly settle that area currently anyway, and won't be able to for at least another several turns. The most you can build is an outpost/trading post atm.

As for terrain they favour that would be highly defensible terrain like mountains or an enclosed area. They also prefer places that have less sunlight. Though their biggest demand is that the place they settle has to have some resources and a way to feed themselves (at the very least, near enough to you that they can trade with you for most of their food.) So the desert area you scouted is actually fairly decent meeting everything except the sunlight thing.

they would take this offer fairly decently it covers pretty much everything they want without being too presumptuous.
 
Would they prefer the woods then for the less sunlight, or is there another area around us that they might favor more that we know of?
 
Void Stalker said:
Would they prefer the woods then for the less sunlight, or is there another area around us that they might favor more that we know of?
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well 1 the forest already has your lumber mills, copper mine, and the Wolfos so its already pretty full, plus it can't be defended very easily, so no the forest is meh to them.

2 there is nowhere else easily defensible that you know of. I mean sure, there are other places they could go but nowhere that is empty and has the same amount of defenses, resources, and proximity to you. But you can try scouting a place out if you want to wait on that offer.
 
would prefer the twili to migrate to us, better to have more manpower and more possible defenses...of course the hylians wouldn't know that the twili are responsible for the shit, we can just spin It as a civil war to them, the ordorons wouldn't care most likely. so yeah having them migrate to us would be for the best, their mages can help with some defenses though we can try to keep it down low, because mages are expensive and we don't want to waste them.

in time maybe we can have the twili send reinforcements of extra mages with our healer mages...but that's in the future if we survive the moblins.

anyway remember folks, having Midna marry us just gets the twili into our lands since they really don't have a empire or a kingdom of sorts. would be for the best though! also we can expand further, just need a few towns for the twili and some better farms and other means of food.
 
RandomDwarf said:
would prefer the twili to migrate to us, better to have more manpower and more possible defenses...of course the hylians wouldn't know that the twili are responsible for the shit, we can just spin It as a civil war to them, the ordorons wouldn't care most likely. so yeah having them migrate to us would be for the best, their mages can help with some defenses though we can try to keep it down low, because mages are expensive and we don't want to waste them.

in time maybe we can have the twili send reinforcements of extra mages with our healer mages...but that's in the future if we survive the moblins.

anyway remember folks, having Midna marry us just gets the twili into our lands since they really don't have a empire or a kingdom of sorts. would be for the best though! also we can expand further, just need a few towns for the twili and some better farms and other means of food.
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there is a bit wrong with this.

1) the twili were actually not responsible for any pain the Hylians might have suffered minus a few hundred dead guards, Zant blitzed the castle and didn't really kill civilians. Gannondorf and the Gerudo were responsible for the Apocalypse.

2) since when do you have healer mages? you have yet to finish building the churches and even once you do I highly doubt you can afford recruiting any without suffering cutbacks in other areas.

3) they kinda do, but they are fairly akin to the Mongols or Aboriginal tribes atm, their empire is one on the move because they lost their homeland.


oh also...

VOTING IS NOW OPEN!
 
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san said:
well 1 the forest already has your lumber mills, copper mine, and the Wolfos so its already pretty full, plus it can't be defended very easily, so no the forest is meh to them.

2 there is nowhere else easily defensible that you know of. I mean sure, there are other places they could go but nowhere that is empty and has the same amount of defenses, resources, and proximity to you. But you can try scouting a place out if you want to wait on that offer.
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No just wanted to know if we had a better location we were overlooking.

[X] Plan Trade Take 2
-[X] Ordona offers up to 4 levels of food a turn in trade
-[X] Ordona offers up to 500 wood a turn in trade
-[X] Ordona offers political alliance
-[X] Link's offer to Midna remains (marriage)
-[X] Ordona offers up the newly scouted land in the Highlands (?) for resettlement by the Twili
-[X] If resettlement is accepted an offer of a military alliance is extended
-[X] Ordona is asking for mages for 2 of the food levels being traded
-[X] Ordona is requesting Metal then Stone for the remaining food and all the wood being traded, our priority is metal then stone (would like 500 metal a turn before accepting stone) exact numbers are based on what they can offer
 
[X] Plan Trade Take 2

Pretty much covers all the bases
I'm just hoping sans new method of "rolling" doesn't do us in
 
so thats 5 for trade 2 and no other plans, vote will close in 5 more hours.
 
ya vote closed its over an hour early but its too one sided. I will be working on it shortly.
 
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ARC 1: Midna diplomacy Mini-turn: Part 2 Marriage offer decision and final 3 deal option vote.
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    • As the sun dawned over a new day Link sat against Epona watching it rise while he waited for Midna to arrive having woken up early thanks to the hope and worry he was feeling over Midna's impending decision about whether or not to marry him.

    An hour after the sun finished rising Midna arrived. The two greeted each other but went to sitting silently together as neither wanted to be the one to start talking after how the conversation had ended the day before.

    after a couple more hours the third party to this awkwardness decided to make her displeasure apparent given she was being used as a backrest and bumped Link with her head before getting up and walking away to get a drink and graze by the oasis nearby.

    Rubbing his head where Epona had bumped him Link decided to start the conversation away from the awkward topic.

    "So Midna, I have given some thought to the proposals you mentioned yesterday and the plight your people are in. I have decided we can offer you almost half of the food we produce with no problems, which should be enough to feed your people for the most part. This is in exchange for the aid of several of your mages and as much metal as you can spare. That should be enough to pay for the food, next is the wood for which I can give you 500 standard units of lumber a year in exchange for metal, if any if left over from paying for the food and marble if you have it. Though rupees are an acceptable substitute." Link offered beginning the days talks.

    "Alright that is perfectly acceptable, though the exact amounts will need to be worked out later. What about a place for my people to go to, do you have somewhere that is defensible and has enough resources and farmland to feed my people?" Midna asked with a twinge of hope.

    "That was the easy part, honestly. We have plenty of land surrounding us that is empty. Though only one spot truly matches most of your requirements. It is a desert much like this, though smaller and uninhabited as far as we can tell, while being mostly surrounded by mountains with the only entrances heading east or south to lands unknown to any map ever made by Hyrule or directly to my own Kingdom. So it is definitely defensible." Link stated with a smile.

    "As for resources, it has many different ones that my people are very willing to trade for including iron, copper, marble and gold and those are just the ones we could find with the initial mapping of the land. You will be unable to get much food out of the land true but the trade with us should be more than enough to keep up with any population growth you experience."

    Midna swiftly replied at the offer ecstatic that her people could move away from the war with the Gerudo. "That sounds perfect! What would be the price for that though?"

    "Well the cost is simple enough, just a military alliance to go with the political one we already agreed would be a great idea and free trade between our peoples."

    "I see, well once we are beside each other and the Twili no longer have to fight the Gerudo I see no problems with that, though it will take at least another year after the end of this one before my people can make the trip. Now onto specifics, how much food are you offering exactly? Also how many mages do you want?" Midna started rapid firing questions at Link ready to finish these negotiations swiftly to get back to her people and give them the good news.

    The bargaining continued for a few hours as Midna and Link hashed out the specifics. After the bargaining was done and all that remained was to sign the specific deal they chose among the few they made, Link decided to broach the final and most awkward topic of the day.

    "Midna, there is one final topic for today and I think we have avoided it for long enough... What is your answer to the offer of marriage I gave you?" Link asked with a neutral expression to conceal his anxiety.

    Midna looked up in shock at the sudden change of topics, her face flashing between several emotions in short order before deciding on a slightly coy smile making Link even more nervous than before.

    "Well Link, I saw the coming the moment you saw my body. I knew you could not help but fall before my beauty given how speechless you were when you beheld my true form." Midna teased Link mercilessly showing off her body a bit as he spluttered.

    Schooling his face into seriousness he replied. "No, Midna I fell for you long before then. Your personality was what I fell for, not your body. As amazingly beautiful as you look that is only a plus for me and definitely sealed the deal but it was not the start of the attraction."

    Red faced at his sincere compliments Midna spluttered herself before replying. "Uh *Ahem* yes well, I am glad you admit my pranks had such an effect on you, I will try to do more in the future we will have together."

    Hearing this Links eyes light up with hope. "So that's a yes? You really want to marry me?"

    "Yes, you dummy! Do I have to spell it out to you? *jeez*" Midna shouted in embarrassment.

    Link decided to reply without words, and leaped towards her holding her in his arms and kissing her so suddenly that Midna gave a little gasp of shock before melting into his lips. As the kiss continued on they began feeling each other up all over their bodies before the clothes came off and the fun began.

    Vote on which deal you accept as the Twili can't make it to your kingdom until the end of turn/year eight:

    [] Maximum magic
    -Midna gives you the use of 7 mages, 400 units of iron, 200 units of marble, and 300 rupees per turn.
    -You give Midna 4 food levels, and 500 wood per turn.

    [] Maximum metal and marble
    -Midna gives you the use of 2 mages, 800 units of iron, 500 units of marble and 400 rupees per turn.
    -You give Midna 4 food levels, and 500 wood per turn.

    [] Balanced deal
    -Midna gives you the use of 4 mages, 600 units of iron, 400 units of marble, and 300 rupees per turn.
    -You give Midna 4 food levels, and 500 wood per turn.


    Note that all deals come with the Twili settling the desert to your Southeast, Midna and you marrying, and the Twili joining your people to become a greater whole.

    Miniturn part 2 ends here!

    And there you guys go, the second part of the Midna mini turn. God this made me choke near the end on the sap, but I got through it for you guys. Be glad you have such an amazing person like me who is willing to brave such grave choking hazards risking death by sap to bring you questers an amazing story.

    2 HOUR MORATORIUM!
     
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    • [X] Balanced deal
    -Midna gives you the use of 4 mages, 600 units of iron, 400 units of marble, and 300 rupees per turn.
    -You give Midna 4 food levels, and 500 wood per turn.
     
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    So end result is a permanent union? That went great! I would favor balanced deal to avoid taking too many mages from them in case they need them before the move.
     
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