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Herrscher(Worm/Honkai) | Herrscher!Taylor

Armsmaster interlude before the timeskip to when Taylor gets home (after this scene)?

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Taylor is the 2nd Herscher, the herscher of the void.

As for Dinah being Senti... Possible but i'm not that familiar with her so I will not expend on this option.

Also i did a quick search on "phanuel" the title of this interlude. It's the 4th angel present with god. So I looked at the four first herscherr and flamme chasseurs but, no additional idea.
 
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Dinah isn't the type to resort to murder and conspiracy first thing, especially against a Hero. She is probably gonna be a kind of driving force. Like lava climbing up in an old NES game's platforming level.

As for Aponia? Definitely WoH fucking around. Maybe Aponia struck a deal, maybe WoH is bullshitting. Not another Herrscher though. Not enough Honkai energy for it.

Also would like to point out Aponia does naturally get red eyes when she Ults. And has the numbing/slight mind control effect displayed here. She can actually compel you to do shit if she wants to.
 
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SnarkLord said:
I..really want to say it's YATTA , though I have no effin clue why she'd do that...
Red eyes.
Multiple references on Dinah feeling mind-numbed/relaxed/calm immediately after 'Aponia' did something.
The slight emphasis on some sentences
Also...she said 'You can call me Aponia' . Not 'I am Aponia' or 'My name is Aponia'

The question remains...why
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Yes, exactly. Yatta is not subtle. It is worth noting though, that Yatta is genuinely opposed to the other Herrschers. It comes up in Ch. 22 that she would most definitely kill the Herrscher of Void, thinking of her as an irredeemable threat to humanity, regardless of the good she could do. So directing Dinah into opposition against Taylor isn't strictly out of character for Yatta. It's just the apparent subtlety that's getting me.
 
*steeples fingers*
*theory mode ON*
I'll stick with Senti...technically
It's...her but not actually, but still technically yes?
Dinah got the gem of Sentience...
as to why...
WoH covering their bases.
While it gave Taylor preeeety much free reign, it also wants her to be without obstructions that would completely derail her from her task

Enter Dinah..precog that sees possibilities, as an opposing force to AF. Not a direct opponent but someone who pushes and prods, makes her face the heavy questions, while also working to avoid a future where Tay goes...of the deep end
A second herald that dispenses Truth and judgement from the shadows to those that would have AF torn down out of misjudgement/jealousy/'insert reason here'
 
Guys I don't think this is Sentience.

This is mostly a hunch on my part but this feels more like Dominion's work, since this entire thing seems engineering to drive Diana towards despair and if there is a Herrscher with a beef with Kiana it would be Dominion.
 
Sinsystems said:
Guys I don't think this is Sentience.

This is mostly a hunch on my part but this feels more like Dominion's work, since this entire thing seems engineering to drive Diana towards despair and if there is a Herrscher with a beef with Kiana it would be Dominion.
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You forget that Xasure said that Dinah wouldn't be a "total antagonist". I'd say the theories that she'll become the "hard choice that Taylor will have to make" have more merit. Of course, that doesn't mean that SOME factor of your theory will come into play.
 
Okay, a LOT of speculation here. Gonna throw my two cents in.

Not likely Senti. Most likely The Will using Aponia's form because of the similar abilities to Dinah. As for the vision, it's possible. There is enough evidence of Zion not knowing a thing about the Honkai, and thus, not knowing that it's threatening him. When Scion realizes that the Honkai means to destroy Zion, it's entirely possible that he'll prod ALL Parahumans into attacking AF to kill her.

Thing is, the vision isn't giving any context. WHY is AF fighting the Triumvirate? Important question, that. Can the fight be avoided? Maybe. A Confrontation, on the other hand? Not likely.

That's my two cents. Take it or leave it.
 
I suspect this is the Will trying to the same thing it did to Lisa here. Setting up the situation for Dinah to become a Herrscher in an attempt to stop AF, because Dinah herself doesn't want to play hero and this might force her to. Now will Dinah accept that or not, who knows. Heck now I'm suspicious if it really wants to just help Taylor in the beginning here, yeah it wants to kill the entities but what about after that.
 
You know @LSShadowBlaze , when you said that Scion could have pushed the parahumans against AF, it got me thinking.... (I Know, I know, it's impressive).

Scion is a hammer, he smash. I don't think he would send paraH, he would go himself. However Eden ? Eden is the Thinker, she would be the scapel I think. Also the triumvurate have her shard and as such would be more succeptible.

Another point, earlier I said that Phanuel id the 4th angel (quote from wikipedia so warning. If someone here has read the book please correct me if I'm wrong)
Phanuel is the name given to the fourth angel who stands before God in the Book of Enoch (ca. 300 BC), after the angels Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel.
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The 4th flamme chasser is Eden. Coincidence ??? Maybe, but it might be correct too.

(remove the tin fold hat before posting)
 
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Hopeforthebends said:
Maybe it's the Herrscher of corruption masquerading as aponia?
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Xasure Higeki said:
Well, I am a person of my word. This is the nearest guess so far.~
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The Herrscher of Corruption? I'd honestly spaced her. It would make a perverted kind of sense for her to take Aponia's form, since the use of her Discipline ended up indirectly killing RIN. But if that's the nearest guess, and not the answer-

Aaaaahh! Chapter 28! Mei got into a bitching match with the Will, and it stuck a shard of the HoC into Mei after she sassed it one too many times. Which then ended up infecting the Fire MOTH AIs, forcing VIII-V to put them down and reboot them before the corruption became irreversible. That would make this the Corruption Shard, gaining Aponia's form and abilities from the data it assimilated?

It would even make sense of why she would be complicating Taylor's life. Objectively, Corruption was the worst Herrscher. Of them all. Herrschers are, strictly speaking, supposed to leave the overall integrity of the planet alone. Lots of Herrschers could easily wipe out Humanity with their abilities, but doing so would probably take the planet down along with them, so they refrain. Thunder screwing with the planetary magnetic field, or Reason generating antimatter.

Corruption though, she nuked the entire Previous Era wholesale. Absolutely no ecosystem remained, and only terraformation technology saved everything.
 
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Zakara said:
The Herrscher of Corruption? I'd honestly spaced her. It would make a perverted kind of sense for her to take Aponia's form, since the use of her Discipline ended up indirectly killing RIN. But if that's the nearest guess, and not the answer-

Aaaaahh! Chapter 28! Mei got into a bitching match with the Will, and it stuck a shard of the HoC into Mei after she sassed it one too many times. Which then ended up infecting the Fire MOTH AIs, forcing VIII-V to put them down and reboot them before the corruption became irreversible. That would make this the Corruption Shard, gaining Aponia's form and abilities from the data it assimilated?

It would even make sense of why she would be complicating Taylor's life. Objectively speaking, Corruption was the worst Herrscher. Of them all. Herrschers are, strictly speaking, supposed to leave the overall integrity of the planet alone. Lots of Herrschers could easily wipe out Humanity with their abilities, but doing so would probably take the planet down along with them, so they refrain. Thunder screwing with the planetary magnetic field, or Reason generating antimatter.

Corruption though, she nuked the entire Previous Era wholesale. Absolutely no ecosystem remained, and only terraformation technology saved everything.
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About that why it wants to keep the world intact, maybe the World is an Egg of something, since that seems entirely possible, and humans are just a danger to everything they interact with, especially each other, and now we have enough fire power to potentially blow up the world to permanent inhabitability to any life forms we know that exists, anyway onto the actual thing.

Considering all I've been reading and seeing, Corruption has a high chance of being it (and at this point it's confirmed.)
 
LSShadowBlaze said:
Okay, a LOT of speculation here. Gonna throw my two cents in.

Not likely Senti. Most likely The Will using Aponia's form because of the similar abilities to Dinah. As for the vision, it's possible. There is enough evidence of Zion not knowing a thing about the Honkai, and thus, not knowing that it's threatening him. When Scion realizes that the Honkai means to destroy Zion, it's entirely possible that he'll prod ALL Parahumans into attacking AF to kill her.

Thing is, the vision isn't giving any context. WHY is AF fighting the Triumvirate? Important question, that. Can the fight be avoided? Maybe. A Confrontation, on the other hand? Not likely.

That's my two cents. Take it or leave it.
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i disagree because the vision shows the triumvirate, aka, vial capes, aka cauldron, aka who knows what scion really is... there is no way scion could prod them to doing his dirty work so that scenario seems unlikely.


as for the corruption: again i have to ask.... WHY? how would they have gotten here if even the Will has trouble accessing bet? this suggests the Will sent corruption over but that begs the question of *why*? it seems counter to the Wills stated goals for Taylor if the Will sent corruption over to mess with taylor, and atleast this time the Will stated they wish to save the world not kill it so letting corruption run loose seems counter to that goal
 
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I don't think either Corruption or Death were sent over as Herrschers, more that a seed was planted. Remember until Taylor rips a hole into the Imaginary Space to allow Honkai in the only sources present are Taylor, QA and Bella. No where near enough for the creation of a Herrscher. Death is going to directly support Taylor while Corruption bugs her to keep her moving. We're on a time limit after all.
 
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Xasure Higeki said:
Strange, she could have sworn that the calm, steely eyes of the woman had just been glowing red. Yet, the kind smile distracted her, pulling her attention like a sign
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Uh oh.
Xasure Higeki said:
Show me."

Apoina sighed sadly, and Dinah felt a pang of guilt, before nodding. "I will. I had hoped to spare you the sight, but if you want it that much... Close your eyes."
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That bad idea.
Withouth context it like AF is the villain here. But we know that shard is subtly control parahuman plus its cauldron. They are evil.or they know a honkai thing and mark taylor as the source and need to be exterminate ASAP.
The vision will happen and dinah is the pawn in it. WoH use dinah to prod taylor to be hurry and proactive.
What dinah diciplines get from her.
 
XiaoYueMao said:
as for the corruption: again i have to ask.... WHY? how would they have gotten here if even the Will has trouble accessing bet? this suggests the Will sent corruption over but that begs the question of *why*? it seems counter to the Wills stated goals for Taylor if the Will sent corruption over to mess with taylor, and atleast this time the Will stated they wish to save the world not kill it so letting corruption run loose seems counter to that goal
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It's hard to tell what the Will is ever planning. In the first chapter, it states that it's currently more pissed off with the Entities than with Humanity. Humanity is everywhere on the Imaginary Tree, it deals with us all the time. Getting forcibly shut out of a particular branch offends it though, so blood must be spilled.

If we take that at face value, then everything it does on Earth-Bet, from Taylor to Lisa to Dinah, goes towards goal of eliminating the Entities. How these acts help it, we don't know, but they probably are helping somehow.

The idea that was stuck in Dinah's head was "saving the world from Abyss Flower", and while somewhat hostile, it's open ended. It could be meant to line up certain parahumans for Taylor to knock down. The Will may consider the removal of Entities to be incomplete if parahumans are still around, so why not arrange for them to challenge Taylor?

As for how the Will is doing these things…

What we know, is that Thinkers who focus their powers(Shards) on Taylor, and get particularly unlucky, get the Will's attention. This contact is presumably how it's done things like implant Lisa with the Gem of Serenity, and connect Dinah to Corruption(?). It normally can't interfere, but if Shards try to touch the Will, it touches back. Aggressively. It apparently only had enough leeway to awaken a single Herrscher, which it used up on Taylor, but the more channels it creates, the better the chance of a Gem it implants Awakening. It might just be taking chances whenever they come up, given how rare they are, and it makes these plans on the spot based on the circumstances.

…arranging native opposition to Taylor could also be a long-term plot to encourage be her to cut loose with the Honkai energy, saturating Earth-Bet much faster than what QA is doing. The more fights she's in, and the harder they are, the more energy she channels.
 
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XiaoYueMao said:
why do i feel like Dinah was just blatantly lied to but will believe the lies because beautiful woman cant surely be evil and that she will now do her darndest to get the world to turn on Taylor, namely by proving how accurate her predictions are otherwise?

tbh i dont know much about the crossover source (ie, none), but Taylors powers came from a source that appears to want to actually save the world this time because scion be big threat apparently.

so who is this woman and why is she showing this future and not the, you know, scion wanting to destroy a large enough number of realities your brain cant even comprehend the number? is she evil in the crossover source material, or does she just have a raging hate-on for the source of taylors powers enough to just not care about the consequences of what is effectively helping scion by getting the world to turn on his biggest threat?
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Her source of powers hate humanity and Taylor ending up like GGZ Kiana, awakening as the Final Herrscher and destroying the universe doesn t seem that farfetched, Zion is pretty much a miniscule threat compared to the Honkai God/Will of the Honkai

Aponia is a hero that tried to save humanity, she had the power to see the future and tried to change but quickly realized she couldn t but people blamed her for it because they thought it was her fault that future happened, she seems really weird, she can deliberately mislead people but this is going a bit too far and she doesn t hate Herrschers enough to try to interfere with any of them out of spite

Personnaly I think that could be a Herrscher from the Previous Era or maybe Vill-V
 
Dj003 said:
Personnaly I think that could be a Herrscher from the Previous Era or maybe Vill-V
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Definitely not Vill-V. Games like this is not her style. While she would play things off as a 'performance' she'd never pretend to be anyone else.
Zakara said:
It normally can't interfere, but if Shards try to touch the Will, it touches back. Aggressively.
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We're lucky that Will didn't corrupt Shards themselves, considering it would spread through The Firmament really quickly, and with how non-reistant Earth Bet's humanity is to Honkai Energy... Yikes.
 
XiaoYueMao said:
EDIT: also i forgot, what is Taylors herscher type? i keep hearing those like Herscher of destruction and sentience etc... but i cant remember what taylor/her head mates are. best i can think is void? or was that a different fic? (i read hundreds of fics per week unironically, cant remember details at all)
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Void
 
Void, if any hold the title of Queen of the Honkai or it's Regent on Earth it would be Void. She can control and has the ability to spawn Honkai Beast and modify them. She can create powerful pseudo cores with enough avaliable energy that are just a step bellow that of actual Cores/Gems. The ability to control the flow of Honkai energy into Earth Bet from the Imaginary space. Complete control over the Imaginary space, space time in general and to an extent normal matter. If she has any weakness it's that she is fragile and not really that super human in terms of direct melee and speed/reaction time. A fully trained Void Queen is the kind of threat that only Zion could beat on Earth Bet. And even then probably only because he is faster and stronger then her
 
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