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Halkegenia Online Thread 4 (Reunited at Last!)

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jwolfe said:
That actually is somewhat supported. People can correct me if this is canon or fanon but Cattleya's illness flares up any time she does anything more then simple magics. She was supposed to be very talented (triangle to square capability) earth mage but she can't use it without putting her life at risk.

If mithril works like I think it does, and I'm basing this off of TH's statement here:


This means that when incorporated into a magical foci it likely makes casting spells easier and/or enhances output. Considering that the Gnomes (the best miners) and the Leprechauns (the ones who can actually work the stuff) owe Duke Valliere for investing in the mentioned forge, there may be a nonstandard wand in Cattleya's near future. It certainly wouldn't cure her malady but it would certainly make using her magic easier.

It's being given to Cattleya because I really don't want to think too much about the carnage Karin could pull with a mithril enhanced wand/staff. F5 tornadoes anyone?
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Wandsword, spellblade, whatever term one might use, at least when she's not using her wand as with near effectively every other Mage save the few using staffs and other foci. The fact she already has little difficulty throwing around cyclone blades and controlled typhoons, and on top of that she's a lethal both at long range (Death by wind.) and close (Death by wind, or pointy sword.), means giving her mithril foci is just icing an already extravagant cake. (And I mean it comes with floating side cakes, chocolate fountains, orbiting cream puffs, and turrets of tiramisu level of extravagant.) And even then she's that good that it likely changes little to nothing.

On a side note, if the Survivor Fae are not aligned to any race, does that make them like pseudo Maeves? No elemental alignment, no specializations, but they have all the standard Fae racial attributes like heightened physical ability and all-round in their magical affinities? Speaking of which, if the Fae need the consent of the Faction Leader to change race, and with the exception of the races without their leaders, if the Fae do manage to retrieve the chalice, why do I see it that the Survivor Fae will choose to retain their unaligned forms as a way of remembering what they have been through?
 
jwolfe said:
That actually is somewhat supported. People can correct me if this is canon or fanon but Cattleya's illness flares up any time she does anything more then simple magics. She was supposed to be very talented (triangle to square capability) earth mage but she can't use it without putting her life at risk.

If mithril works like I think it does, and I'm basing this off of TH's statement here:


This means that when incorporated into a magical foci it likely makes casting spells easier and/or enhances output. Considering that the Gnomes (the best miners) and the Leprechauns (the ones who can actually work the stuff) owe Duke Valliere for investing in the mentioned forge, there may be a nonstandard wand in Cattleya's near future. It certainly wouldn't cure her malady but it would certainly make using her magic easier.

It's being given to Cattleya because I really don't want to think too much about the carnage Karin could pull with a mithril enhanced wand/staff. F5 tornadoes anyone?
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I think TH meant that it's more of a magic conductor. You know, mithril is easier to enchant and it even boosts said enchantments. Speaking of, TH never did say if there was a new name for Amalgam or if we're just gonna keep calling it that.
 
Reading about the haggling over details in the treaty was interesting, especially that the Faerie got in to it quite a bit as well. I imagine that the Faeries with experience in contract law could be quite terrifying in having 'everything' be as clear as possible.

Kind of surprised Alicia didn't mention anything about the necromancy though, you'd think Fairies being raised as undead abominations would be noteworthy and important.


And I guess considering the limited time they have, that they should probably try and make things change, so they have lots more time to rearm. I suppose that Raid in force we were discussing before this newest chapter could help out in that?
 
Exsequens said:
Wandsword, spellblade, whatever term one might use, at least when she's not using her wand as with near effectively every other Mage save the few using staffs and other foci. The fact she already has little difficulty throwing around cyclone blades and controlled typhoons, and on top of that she's a lethal both at long range (Death by wind.) and close (Death by wind, or pointy sword.), means giving her mithril foci is just icing an already extravagant cake. (And I mean it comes with floating side cakes, chocolate fountains, orbiting cream puffs, and turrets of tiramisu level of extravagant.) And even then she's that good that it likely changes little to nothing.
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One wonders how much buff spells would do for her... or potions to restore willpower... or an invisibility/stealth type cloak, so she's really hard to spot...
 
You know, I've been rereading the suggestions at page 145 of previous thread (on how to dispose of zombies if they become Fae-controlled). The gist of suggestion - use while useable, then order to stand still, and incinerate...

So the question is - what would happen if the first order given is "Act in the same way you would if your dying, being reanimated and indoctrinated by Cromwell never happened"?
 
Faraway-R said:
You know, I've been rereading the suggestions at page 145 of previous thread (on how to dispose of zombies if they become Fae-controlled). The gist of suggestion - use while useable, then order to stand still, and incinerate...
So the question is - what would happen if the first order given is "Act in the same way you would if your dying, being reanimated and indoctrinated by Cromwell never happened"?
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Hmm... I think you'd get a Zombie-Fae acting like it has amnesia. "What happened to the last three days? I can't remember anything since... since... since that cute Kyuii sound."
 
aightaight2 said:
A few points to make here

(i) Wardes claims it's real, Henrietta claims it's false - who is the Emperor of Germania going to believe? Either? Both? Neither? He certainly knows that it would be in Henrietta's interests to disavow the letter. He may just decide to take the conservative option and wash his hands of the matter entirely. At the very least the marriage would have to be postponed while the claims and counterclaims play out, and by then it will be all too late for Tristain.

(ii) From a political standpoint the main issue is the Germanian Faction that wants to sink the marriage. They won't care whether the letter is authentic or not if it suits their agenda. Just keep the rumors going - where there's smoke there's bound to be fire, right? If they can delay things then every day that goes by the idea of hanging Tristain out to dry in an effort to bide time for their own military buildup will make more and more sense.

(iii) Disavowing the letter requires Henrietta to tell an outright lie both about writing it and about her true feelings for Wales. Would she do so? When she's having second thoughts about a Marriage of State in the first place? When she knows that the marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation vis-a-vis Albion is rapidly heading towards war? Wouldn't it be better to cut her loses and start planning to survive the inevitable invasion with the resources that they know they will have on hand? Also, if she has even the tiniest doubt over whether the provenance of the letter is provable then there's no way she would disavow it - getting caught in a lie like that would taint her word forever.

(iv) If Henrietta is going to lie about it then she'd better be damned sure that there is absolutely no way to prove the provenance of the letter. Getting caught in a lie like that would taint her reputation and her word forever.

(v) Disavowing the letter also requires Wales (if he survives) to back Henrietta up on this point. Would he do so? Would he do it in time to make any difference?

(vi) As a former Captain of Henrietta's Griffin Knights Wardes automatically gains street cred when explaining how he got a hold of the letter. It doesn't matter that he is a turncoat - he still has enough oomph to make the allegation.

Putting it all together, even if the letter WAS a forgery the timing is too tight and the matter too critical for it to make any difference. The marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation between Tristain & Albion is deteriorating too fast for things to go back to the status-quo-ante.

* Actually, this entire exercise is completely hypothetical. We already know from Canon that Henrietta isn't going to become a brood mare for Germania, and this fic isn't going to head in that direction either. Time to move on.;)
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You also forgot one more possibility, as you said the timing is very tight for Tristan but also for the Reconquista(sp) since this letter just appears right as Germania is about to cement an alliance that would keep Tristan safe from Albion(somewhat) would make it obvious that the rebels are going to attack Tristan and from there they could use it as a staging ground for an attack on Germania which while mentioned that they would use the war between Tristan and Albion as a time to build up defenses doesn't mean that they will. So in the end both sides have a reason for claiming that the letter is fake/real

Also traitors are usually the last people you trust since if they were willing to sell out there home country for reasons that could be less then ideal for your side.
 
aightaight2 said:
Hmm... I think you'd get a Zombie-Fae acting like it has amnesia. "What happened to the last three days? I can't remember anything since... since... since that cute Kyuii sound."
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What I'd like to know more, is it a viable method of giving them the closest thing possible to a new lease of life? Author's opinion would be appreciated.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Somebody had to train Agnes you know :p

Unless you think she sprung from the womb fully grown with a pistol in each hand and a sword between her teeth.
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If that womb wasa perdition of flame and fire ala Shirou? .. Maybe.

Hey is Karin gonna call up her old Vampire friends in tristain black ops?
 
Faraway-R said:
What I'd like to know more, is it a viable method of giving them the closest thing possible to a new lease of life? Author's opinion would be appreciated.
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OK, on a more serious note then, please refer to this post.

As a couple of other spacebattlers (including Vaermina) have noted, the spirit summoned by the Ring of Andvari to animate Aki etc's body is not the original soul of the body. So if you did give that order to the Zombie-Fae you would have the infesting spirit pretending to be the original, based only on having access to their physical body and their memories, not their soul. In effect you have something that will sound and act more like the original, but will still be different enough that people will be able to tell the difference.

In fact, the probable outcome would be to move the Zombie-Fae directly into the uncanny valley.
 
aightaight2 said:
OK, on a more serious note then, please refer to this post.

As a couple of other spacebattlers (including Vaermina) have noted, the spirit summoned by the Ring of Andvari to animate Aki etc's body is not the original soul of the body. So if you did give that order to the Zombie-Fae you would have the infesting spirit pretending to be the original, based only on having access to their physical body and their memories, not their soul. In effect you have something that will sound more like the original, but will still be different enough that people will be able to tell the difference.

In fact, the probable outcome would be to move the Zombie-Fae directly into the uncanny valley.
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Possibly, but this all depends on what a soul actually is, SAO does introduce a concept of its own on this, which allows for some alternate interpretations. Including that there still might be a functional soul in their body, just not in control right now. Which would also explain why Wales in canon after having the spirit dispelled was briefly able to control his body with his soul.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Somebody had to train Agnes you know :p

Unless you think she sprung from the womb fully grown with a pistol in each hand and a sword between her teeth.
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Of course not.

She used the sword to give her mother a C-section since labor was taking too long.
 
Vaermina said:
I wonder what a Vampire Fae would be like?
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Remember that the Fae wings as seen in the night scenes of the anime, glow softly and shed glitter/tiny stars. Ergo they would be vampires that glitter and sparkle. You do the math.
 
Cj1of4 said:
For some reason I want to see a fight between a vampire and Aki now...
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I'm pretty sure Vampires punch above her weight class. If I remember right they're a tier below elves on the power scale of Halk Magic users.

(Damn are elves broken. The mooks can take on triangle and square mages and everything above that is only going to get slowed down by a void mage. And they're the strongest of the First Borns on top of their tech advantage. OP!)
 
aightaight2 said:
A few points to make here

(i) Wardes claims it's real, Henrietta claims it's false - who is the Emperor of Germania going to believe? Either? Both? Neither? He certainly knows that it would be in Henrietta's interests to disavow the letter. He may just decide to take the conservative option and wash his hands of the matter entirely. At the very least the marriage would have to be postponed while the claims and counterclaims play out, and by then it will be all too late for Tristain.

(ii) From a political standpoint the main issue is the Germanian Faction that wants to sink the marriage. They won't care whether the letter is authentic or not if it suits their agenda. Just keep the rumors going - where there's smoke there's bound to be fire, right? If they can delay things then every day that goes by the idea of hanging Tristain out to dry in an effort to bide time for their own military buildup will make more and more sense.

(iii) Disavowing the letter requires Henrietta to tell an outright lie both about writing it and about her true feelings for Wales. Would she do so? When she's having second thoughts about a Marriage of State in the first place? When she knows that the marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation vis-a-vis Albion is rapidly heading towards war? Wouldn't it be better to cut her loses and start planning to survive the inevitable invasion with the resources that they know they will have on hand? Also, if she has even the tiniest doubt over whether the provenance of the letter is provable then there's no way she would disavow it - getting caught in a lie like that would taint her word forever.

(iv) If Henrietta is going to lie about it then she'd better be damned sure that there is absolutely no way to prove the provenance of the letter. Getting caught in a lie like that would taint her reputation and her word forever.

(v) Disavowing the letter also requires Wales (if he survives) to back Henrietta up on this point. Would he do so? Would he do it in time to make any difference?

(vi) As a former Captain of Henrietta's Griffin Knights Wardes automatically gains street cred when explaining how he got a hold of the letter. It doesn't matter that he is a turncoat - he still has enough oomph to make the allegation.

Putting it all together, even if the letter WAS a forgery the timing is too tight and the matter too critical for it to make any difference. The marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation between Tristain & Albion is deteriorating too fast for things to go back to the status-quo-ante.

* Actually, this entire exercise is completely hypothetical. We already know from Canon that Henrietta isn't going to become a brood mare for Germania, and this fic isn't going to head in that direction either. Time to move on.;)
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Pretty much my thoughts on it. Whether or not the letter is real wouldn't matter, it would delay the wedding long enough for Tristain to be invaded.
 
I just realized something horrifying, we have people who could be twilight fans in a setting with actual vampires.:eek:
 
Triggerhappy said:
I'm pretty sure Vampires punch above her wait class. If I remember right they're a tier below elves on the power scale of Halk Magic users.

(Damn are elves broken. The mooks can take on triangle and square mages and everything above that is only going to get slowed down by a void mage. And they're the strongest of the First Borns on top of their tech advantage. OP!)
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Well then let's fix that *Fae invent modern fire arms and tanks* there problem solved
 
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