Halkegenia Online Thread 4 (Reunited at Last!)

So, with that made clear, any reason for Kirito to keep his disguise up? So long as he can find a reason to explain how he's here and Midori isn't since he would probably want to avoid others knowing he was Midori?
 
Chorinas said:
thank you.

And yes the wildlife could be extremely useful for Tristains defense, the Reconquestia (hopefully I spelled that right) guys have no experience with the Mobs and very little knowledge about the new terrain. That could lead to several problems for them, such as a boss monster awakening near their forces for example, hell even the regular mobs can cause them a whole mess of problems
 
A month is long enough to booby trap all the probable landing zones with punji stake shit pits, all the way to making it impossible for them to land troops by covering open fields with stone spikes and tank traps. And to evacuate all the towns close to probable landing zones and have them booby trapped or scorched with poisoned food and water as well.

I could do more, but I was taught to think with explosives and a reasonable supply chain.
 
ckk185 said:
A month is long enough to booby trap all the probable landing zones with punji stake shit pits, all the way to making it impossible for them to land troops by covering open fields with stone spikes and tank traps. And to evacuate all the towns close to probable landing zones and have them booby trapped or scorched with poisoned food and water as well.

I could do more, but I was taught to think with explosives and a reasonable supply chain.
The issue is that in canon, Albion went with strictly air mobile assaults, relying on sympathizers to use victories during the invasion to overthrow the royalty. Ground based booby traps would be useless. They're not there to take and hold territory. They're there to smash and burn.
 
Academic Guardian said:
Also come to think of Reconquista's Albion forces would have a difficult time if they don't take a single territory which I think is key to this battle. In canon, Louise' Voidsplosion took out I think most of their fleet but this time around if we assume that event would not occur, then for Tristain its all about not making take a single foothold. In war playing defensively is always more difficult than going on the offensive assuming equal strength on both sides.
Fleets are well and dandy, but if they can't land ground forces for a take over, they can't really win either, unless they plan on just bombarding everything with cannon fire and leaving Tristain a bombed out ruin.
Mashadarof402 said:
The issue is that in canon, Albion went with strictly air mobile assaults, relying on sympathizers to use victories during the invasion to overthrow the royalty. Ground based booby traps would be useless. They're not there to take and hold territory. They're there to smash and burn.
That is a shitty, shitty way to unite the continent to wage holy war against the elves.
 
If you think about it Reconquista will kill a lot of their sympathy among the commoners if they start touting some negative propaganda about the Fae who (at least as far as I can tell) have been downright helpful to Tristain since their arrival aside from some minor things
 
Hmm. Triple A would be fun to have on the Tristain side. Would it be possible to fashion some kind of ghetto AA gun out of the technology and magic that they have?
 
ckk185 said:
That is a shitty, shitty way to unite the continent to wage holy war against the elves.​
You're talking about a populace who cheered their dead being raised as zombies right in front of their eyes to fight on while happily following the necromancer.​
You tell me.​
 
Mashadarof402 said:
You're talking about a populace who cheered their dead being raised as zombies right in front of their eyes to fight on while happily following the necromancer.

You tell me.
I mean the Necromancer probably had a good spin doctor and claimed that it was holy magic resurrection. But for a general whose end goal is to obtain more troops and supplies to wage war on a superior foe. Burning an entire country down is ultra stupid.
 
ckk185 said:
I mean the Necromancer probably had a good spin doctor and claimed that it was holy magic resurrection. But for a general whose end goal is to obtain more troops and supplies to wage war on a superior foe. Burning an entire country down is ultra stupid.
From what I understand, it wasn't intended to burn the entire country down so much as burn enough while repulsing any counter-attack that the Reconquisita sympathizers in Tristain would throw down the royal house and 'surrender'.

Also, Cromwell was leading the fleet then.
 
Brain_Caster said:
Hmm... hypothetically, is there anything stopping Henrietta from just claiming the letter is a forgery?
koolerkid said:
Assuming the letter doesn't have any markings of authenticity.
A few points to make here

(i) Wardes claims it's real, Henrietta claims it's false - who is the Emperor of Germania going to believe? Either? Both? Neither? He certainly knows that it would be in Henrietta's interests to disavow the letter. He may just decide to take the conservative option and wash his hands of the matter entirely. At the very least the marriage would have to be postponed while the claims and counterclaims play out, and by then it will be all too late for Tristain.

(ii) From a political standpoint the main issue is the Germanian Faction that wants to sink the marriage. They won't care whether the letter is authentic or not if it suits their agenda. Just keep the rumors going - where there's smoke there's bound to be fire, right? If they can delay things then every day that goes by the idea of hanging Tristain out to dry in an effort to bide time for their own military buildup will make more and more sense.

(iii) Disavowing the letter requires Henrietta to tell an outright lie both about writing it and about her true feelings for Wales. Would she do so? When she's having second thoughts about a Marriage of State in the first place? When she knows that the marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation vis-a-vis Albion is rapidly heading towards war? Wouldn't it be better to cut her loses and start planning to survive the inevitable invasion with the resources that they know they will have on hand? Also, if she has even the tiniest doubt over whether the provenance of the letter is provable then there's no way she would disavow it - getting caught in a lie like that would taint her word forever.

(iv) If Henrietta is going to lie about it then she'd better be damned sure that there is absolutely no way to prove the provenance of the letter. Getting caught in a lie like that would taint her reputation and her word forever.

(v) Disavowing the letter also requires Wales (if he survives) to back Henrietta up on this point. Would he do so? Would he do it in time to make any difference?

(vi) As a former Captain of Henrietta's Griffin Knights Wardes automatically gains street cred when explaining how he got a hold of the letter. It doesn't matter that he is a turncoat - he still has enough oomph to make the allegation.

Putting it all together, even if the letter WAS a forgery the timing is too tight and the matter too critical for it to make any difference. The marriage is going to be delayed, and the situation between Tristain & Albion is deteriorating too fast for things to go back to the status-quo-ante.

* Actually, this entire exercise is completely hypothetical. We already know from Canon that Henrietta isn't going to become a brood mare for Germania, and this fic isn't going to head in that direction either. Time to move on.;)
 
My running guess for Cattleya's illness is cancer. Considering it recurs occasionally and in different locations every time they solve it.
 
Academic Guardian said:
ckk185 said:
The truth is, trying to match up Cattleya's symptoms against IRL illnesses is an exercise in frustration.

Lupus is one of the 7 masqueraders, but the most common signs are related to skin & connective tissue (joints, rashes & photosensitivity) that she doesn't seem to display. I haven't read the LN's, but the pattern described in the FAQ doesn't quite match either - no clear flares & remissions in the way that people with Lupus tend to experience them.

Cancer is also unlikely. Any effective magical treatment should eradicate the cancerous cells, and if it missed a few then they should still seed via the same pathways (ie lymphatics, circulation, or direct dissemination) and should therefore replicate the same symptoms rather than new ones. The level of symptoms from cancer is also dependent on the tumor burden, and if there's enough malignant cells to cause pleural effusions then the mage-healers should have been able to put a name to the illness (cancer, after all, is a very common disease).

After thinking about it for a while I've decided to just shrug and consider her illness a magical malady. I mean this quite literally - a malady with a component of malformed magic driving it. This actually makes a lot more sense to me than trying to shoe-horn her into diagnostic categories that don't really fit.
 
Nico Hana said:
Of course, going by the equivalent timeframe Tristain is in, the fact that Henrietta is potentially not a virgin could upset things, even if she isn't pregnant. Unless the Germanians (ie the Emperor) didn't care about that. However, I would not be surprised if dissenters did jump on that as an excuse.
This is just conjecture and how I'm viewing Germania from what I've read/been told/ and made up for this fic.

Don't think of it as an issue between Henrietta and the Emperor. Think of it as ammunition for the people in Germania who don't want the current Emperor's line to gain additional legitimacy as a ruling house by marrying into Royal blood. The whole direct line to the Founder thing and everything. Not to mention bringing a new Principality into Germania to upset the current power dynamic. The letter will provide enough fodder to cause a serious problem and Reconquista will exploit the hell out of it one way or another.

All I know is that in canon the letter was considered a big deal. Maybe it proves she isn't trustworthy. Maybe it can be read to imply some sort of legal union has already been confirmed by the church? (Sure the Pope could probably annul it but it would stay in everyone's head that any child of said union is not a Bastard and thus could be Claimant to the throne of Tristain.) Also, Henrietta has been a public but not particularly important figure until now, so she hasn't necessarily been under close scrutiny in her public appearances. That means she might have been able to get away with a double. Couple it being perhaps a years since she last saw Wales . . .

It's entirely possible to pain a picture that complicates things.
 
I'd never have saw it coming if I didn't look up Strea from Infinity Moment, but Kirito's new IM outfit does happen to fit a lot of my bills...
 
Wolfshadow180 said:
...........man we are almost to 200 pages again! trigger I have to ask how can you keep up with all this considering they keep adding about 10 pages a night? and still do school work, and write, you must be some type of...of super multitasker or something!
I don't really have much of a life :(

Also I'm in the terminal engineering classes right now, mostly tech electives, it's really pretty hard to fail them as long as you study for the tests.

Edit: At least that's my departments philosophy. If you've gotten through heat transfer, thermal design, and finite element modeling, they're not going to fail you in measurement theory and noise control.

Edit Edit: Not to mention I pop open my laptop whenever I have a free moment and just write. Ever since I was a kid I've spent a lot of time inside my own head to amuse myself. Taking elements from whatever I've been reading/watching/playing and manipulating them into new little stories. Writing this has actually taken the place of gaming in my spare time. (Well, except when a new game comes out. I use to replay them a lot more.)
 
BTW, as far as defending Tristin from attack, any chance they could repeat Sayuri's trick with that one boss? A few good boss attacks could soften up the Reconquistia army handily.

Plus, Tristin's army has gained some combat experience dealing with the mobs and all. Sure, they're not human foes, but it is fighting a life-or-death fight.

Also, another subject, could the Windalfr control the bosses?
 
aightaight2 said:
After thinking about it for a while I've decided to just shrug and consider her illness a magical malady. I mean this quite literally - a malady with a component of malformed magic driving it. This actually makes a lot more sense to me than trying to shoe-horn her into diagnostic categories that don't really fit.
That actually is somewhat supported. People can correct me if this is canon or fanon but Cattleya's illness flares up any time she does anything more then simple magics. She was supposed to be very talented (triangle to square capability) earth mage but she can't use it without putting her life at risk.

If mithril works like I think it does, and I'm basing this off of TH's statement here:
Its a stupidly awesome magical conductor enhancer, which carries over to Tirstanian magic as well, along with the normal properties of being nearly indestructible.
This means that when incorporated into a magical foci it likely makes casting spells easier and/or enhances output. Considering that the Gnomes (the best miners) and the Leprechauns (the ones who can actually work the stuff) owe Duke Valliere for investing in the mentioned forge, there may be a nonstandard wand in Cattleya's near future. It certainly wouldn't cure her malady but it would certainly make using her magic easier.

It's being given to Cattleya because I really don't want to think too much about the carnage Karin could pull with a mithril enhanced wand/staff. F5 tornadoes anyone?
 
E.I.G. said:
Louise, you got lucky your that magic only doesn't work right instead of killing you slowly like your favorite sister.
True, but with Cardinal acting as an interface between Void & ALO magic it might, just might be possible for Louise to "untwist" Cattleya's magic and get her healthy again. Maybe with some assistance from a high level Undine Healer or that doctor from the Material Edition "Ceramic Heart" who made the transition (I forget his name, but he's the one in the 'Old Heart, Young Eyes' offshoot)

Edit: By the way, is there a reason why that side story doesn't have an active link in the index on the 1st page of the thread?

Edit 2: Found it, it's Shoichi Saitou and the URL is http://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/461684
 
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