End Bringer
Keeping it logical
No, it's just a waist of opportunity for something that would be awesome, and if done right would indeed not nearly be the Void-hax-esque element Anzer is asserting it would be.
Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2
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No, it's just a waist of opportunity for something that would be awesome, and if done right would indeed not nearly be the Void-hax-esque element Anzer is asserting it would be.
Triggerhappy
Stick with Trigger and You'll Make it Through
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Bidalsha : "And why do you want to touch me?"
mdkcde
"Emotions are prohibited"
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No, I am not against that. Just pointing that there are no ulterior motives involved in the series of events.
I just had this image that the reason why Louise botched the Mimic scanning was because she was looking at herself in the mirror and "wishing" for larger breasts when it happened.
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One of the Winged People would also work.
Triggerhappy
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Oh the irony.
Well, Octavia did basically launch a terrorist attack on a tourist resort, which had an important politician staying there (Wales) and is under the political control of Mort, as the Count of Gaddan. Asuna was the primary target so she will probably get an input. However she doesn't hold a position where she has the legal authority to make that decision. There are good emotional reasons for Asuna to be merciful, and natural justice should mean that punishment would be fairly light (even though there were KIDS in the line of fire) and there are political advantages if they can make Octavia a reliable ally . . . .
Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
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In other words, this has 'extenuating circumstances' out the wazoo
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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Fortunately Solomon is here is play peacemaker/information source to get everyone on the same page.
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On the other hand Octavia is a reigning Queen.
Which means she pretty much gets an automatic pass for pretty much any crime she personally commits. Short of actual murder under the laws of the time.
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Queen of what exactly? Her name Abyssal Queen is more of a title then actual sovereignty
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Queen of the Naiads at a minimum.
Also apparently all of the non-sentient Aquatic mobs from ALO.
Triggerhappy
Stick with Trigger and You'll Make it Through
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Also, like I said, I'm trying to think of interesting ways to have this scenario play out beyond just giving the crown back. (Although this is the most direct thing that could be done, I'm keeping it as my go to backup plan for right now, or more my 49% plan versus the 51% plan I'm outlining here.)
One possibility, as you said, is that this was an unprovoked attack on Tristanian Soil. Octavia may not understand that Asuna isn't Titania, but her reconnaissance should have at least told her this was no longer ALfheim. So she was knowingly attacking within the borders of another sovereign territory. Therefore, Octavia has no excuse when she and her forces are defeated and taken prisoner.
In fact, the objective in any punishment here should NOT be to humiliate Octavia, it should be to make her ashamed of her actions. And the best way to do that may be to treat her like the Queen she believes she is and make her face her mistakes AS a proud Queen. Mix that with a little time to sulk in an (Extremely Nice) fishbowl and her own pride should do a lot of the work of punishing her.
So for instance :
- No, Octavia, you may not have your crown back. Not immediately anyways. This is really no different from stripping a captured ruler of her weapons and armor.
- No, Octavia, you attacked this land unprovoked and could have gotten people killed. You also got many of your own subjects killed to sate your pride. You are most definitely in the wrong.
- You will be treated like a Queen and be permitted to be released with your weapons and armor returned, but only after we have examined your intentions at length.
- No, Octavia, 'Titania' may forgive you, but as a Queen invading these lands you must speak with Queen Henrietta to negotiate your release and right your wrongs.
Bonus if Henrietta is willing to go along with this, Treat Octavia like a Queen and negotiate deals so that the people of Tristain can 'fish' within the boundaries of her 'Queendom' in exchange for useful offerings in 'Trade' to her and her sapient subjects.
Also, some sort of defense pact to protect their 'border' if the Reconquista attempt to use the coast as a landing zone. Thus Octavia becomes a complication but not a game changer in the war.
Basically, all of these conditions suck, but as long as they aren't overly exploitative, Octavia can't really refuse, because more than anything she wants to be regarded as a Queen on her own merits, and that's exactly what is being expected of her by her captors. Her help at Freelia could then become an offer to purchase her early release by showing good faith this once (on the order of a month or so ahead of schedule). And bam, done.
Triggerhappy
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The Water Dragons and other Sapient deep sea border mobs do, in fact, obey her out of loyalty rather than any control coercion.
The waters of Halkegenia are apparently full of rather nasty critters, so water travel in the seas is pretty much . . . just not done. Now there's suddenly a giant mermaid goddess living on your coast, and her and her pods of aquatic dragons, giant squid, and murder crabs are willing to share some of the bounty of the seas they're opening up with you in return for meeting certain conditions of theirs. (For instance, protected egg laying grounds for the Water Dragons, or permitting any Nyriads who become her subjects to settle the coasts.)
Also, because of the nastiness of the seas, it's likely that the Kingdoms of Halkegenia don't have a concept of Territorial Waters, since those waters are basically worthless beyond a mile or two from the shore.
Technically, her 'Queendom' is colonizing lands that no one else wanted or had the ability to claim. Bonus if she can eventually extend her reach further south to warmer waters where her Nyriad subjects to thrive as fishermen and eventually as dive workers when technology to tap the sustainable resources of the sea come into play.
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That still doesn't make her an actual queen with all the benefits that you think she would have also would Halk/Fae even recognize her Sovereignty cause her kingdom is technically on there land or rather near Gaddan which is currently under Mortimers jurisdiction and then there is the whole of Gallia to consider since the lake is also on there boarders as well.
Does she have diplomatic relations with Tristain? Or the Fae Lords & Ladies?
If not, she doesn't have "diplomatic immunity."
She also committed what could be considered an act of war.
As for "forgiving her" there are several people who should be consulted. Mortimer, the Montmercy family, Wales, and so on. That's the legal, political reality.
As for actual reality, the people with the tiara might just give it back to her without consulting everyone they should. (Note if they do I expect it to blow up in their faces. Mortimer in particular is should be .. "mildly upset" if that happens.)
Edit: Shiori'ed by TH!
mdkcde
"Emotions are prohibited"
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It isn't going to happen the way I thought it would but I don't see reasons to disagree with it. I didn't think about the Tristain side of things.
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Obviously, the tents are just what they tell everyone is their capital. This is their actual, hidden capital.
How can Octavia be a queen when she has no country? Also, if she is to be recognized as a foreign queen, then any of her followers that came upon Tristain's shores are illegal immigrants poaching from Tristain's land for any animal they capture or eat.
Her "abyss" has no borders and no recognation.
Her "abyss" has no borders and no recognation.
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If it's a mutual defense pact wouldn't Octavia expect Tristian to help her defend what she defines as her territory if it's attacked?
Because given Octavia's personality and that she thinks all the Sea belongs to her. That's likely to bring them into conflict with every other power on the planet.
mdkcde
"Emotions are prohibited"
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The thing about her claims is that her territory outside of Tristain is inaccessible for any other being other than herself and the deepsea creatures that live in there, I wouldn't be surprised if it would extend to international waters. Her citizens are less civilians/military/immigrants and more like game that follows your orders, their actions are under the responsibility of their ruler.
I have a deja-vu feeling about this, did you ask the same question in the previous thread?
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You don't have to snip pics on SV they auto size to a thumbnail if you quote them.
Honestly, I don't remember if I asked that - I remember pointing out that it basically made all fishing poaching if she claimed all of the sea.
Honestly, though, I can see Octavia being recognized after she has mapped out her territory. You can't have ambiguous territory like that, and right now Octavia has to at least stick to waters around Tristain and further out until other countries recognize her as a soverign. Others aren't as nice as Henrietta and would claim it an act of war - whether they are useless or not.
Also, all citizens of "The Abyss" would have to be removed from Tristain just like how the Fae almost were in the beginning. They are invading their lands after all.
End Bringer
Keeping it logical
After much deliberation I think I found something that works for the Puca Captial.
I know it doesn't look anything like the tents on the ALO map. But the the way there are performance stages on top of every building just screams Puca to me.
Well clearly the Puca city is just a single small tent to the outside world. Step inside and this is what you get!
Director Piggot, is this a new PHO account? And don't you remember how well Hill's aggressiveness worked with Skitter?