When you say limited amount, does that mean you think 10% of the population wouldn't be good enough?Blinded said:
Halkegenia Online Thread 11: Eh, she'll get the familiar eventually . . .
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revanninja
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good point I missed that myself since I think its said tristain has a high Mage pop something like 1/2 of them are mages or something along those lines.Quickshot0 said:
Guys, it is worth noting that using a mage to build something is going to be like having a modern day potter make something.
I know several artisans (potters and others.) They cannot, by hand, turn out identical pieces. The human mind just isn't capable of it.
Would having a mage speed things along? Simplify things? Certainly.
There's also knowledge - like the "float glass" method to turn out glass with an even thickness - that the Halkegenians might not have. If they don't, then the Fae can provide that. Before "float glass" was invented glass was often bubbled, cracked, or warped & uneven when it was finished. Cracked glass could be melted down and recycled, but the rest was accepted because they didn't have any other choice.
Do me a favor, if you can - wander around your hometown and look at buildings that are more than a century old. If any of the windows are original components you'll see that the reflections in the glass are distorted. It's because the glass was "less perfect" than we can make in modern times.
The same thing can be said for metallurgy. In modern times we know about alloys that we didn't a hundred years ago. Aluminum was incredibly expensive when humanity first discovered how to extract it from other ores in the 1800's. A few decades later and someone found a new, inexpensive way to separate aluminum from other materials and it became incredibly cheap. There's a reason that many drinks are sold in aluminum cans - the process is just that cheap!
These days aluminum is used for everything from heat sinks to food containers to construction materials. I remember a time, a few decades back, when aluminum racing bikes were all the rage in the U.S. - California specifically - because they were light-weight. (These days they use even lighter materials.)
What else can the Fae show the Tristainians?
.. and when can we see it in story?
Light help us, a few enterprising Fae, a few contacts in Tristain and beyond, and Lord Rute's economic knowledge ..
Lord Rute: You know where you failed, Mr. Villain?
Mr. Villain: Damn you, Rute!
Lord Rute: You wanted to conquer the world.
Mr. Villain: And what about you? I've seen your mercenary armies, your death-squads!
Lord Rute: Death squads?
Yes, of course I have death squads. They couldn't possibly be internal security for Faerie Advance Enterprises. No, no. I don't want to conquer the world. *grins wickedly* I want to buy it.
I know several artisans (potters and others.) They cannot, by hand, turn out identical pieces. The human mind just isn't capable of it.
Would having a mage speed things along? Simplify things? Certainly.
There's also knowledge - like the "float glass" method to turn out glass with an even thickness - that the Halkegenians might not have. If they don't, then the Fae can provide that. Before "float glass" was invented glass was often bubbled, cracked, or warped & uneven when it was finished. Cracked glass could be melted down and recycled, but the rest was accepted because they didn't have any other choice.
Do me a favor, if you can - wander around your hometown and look at buildings that are more than a century old. If any of the windows are original components you'll see that the reflections in the glass are distorted. It's because the glass was "less perfect" than we can make in modern times.
The same thing can be said for metallurgy. In modern times we know about alloys that we didn't a hundred years ago. Aluminum was incredibly expensive when humanity first discovered how to extract it from other ores in the 1800's. A few decades later and someone found a new, inexpensive way to separate aluminum from other materials and it became incredibly cheap. There's a reason that many drinks are sold in aluminum cans - the process is just that cheap!
These days aluminum is used for everything from heat sinks to food containers to construction materials. I remember a time, a few decades back, when aluminum racing bikes were all the rage in the U.S. - California specifically - because they were light-weight. (These days they use even lighter materials.)
What else can the Fae show the Tristainians?
.. and when can we see it in story?
Light help us, a few enterprising Fae, a few contacts in Tristain and beyond, and Lord Rute's economic knowledge ..
Lord Rute: You know where you failed, Mr. Villain?
Mr. Villain: Damn you, Rute!
Lord Rute: You wanted to conquer the world.
Mr. Villain: And what about you? I've seen your mercenary armies, your death-squads!
Lord Rute: Death squads?
Yes, of course I have death squads. They couldn't possibly be internal security for Faerie Advance Enterprises. No, no. I don't want to conquer the world. *grins wickedly* I want to buy it.
Blinded
I'm... impressed I suppose.
If that's the figure... I can't help but agree with you. While from what I heard from this guy who had a glass-making workshop it would be very hard for a single petty mage to make it, a group of them and some rudimentary gear can.Quickshot0 said:
My idea of mage percentage was from Tarbes, though even then there was mention of "those who manifest magic" if memory serves. Who knows? maybe glass is an important export of Tristain?
EDIT:
I actually do remember old-fashioned glasses from my grandparents' home in their village, some of the windows were probably as old as the building itself, which makes it just a tad newer/younger? than my grandpa who built it in his 20s(passed away two years ago at age 100).Nicholai said:
Triggerhappy
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Going to try and do another chapter tonight. I'm thinking Sakuya Mort and then Louise Karin.
GeshronTyler
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With a lot of trial and a lot of error, for anything involving tubes, let alone integrated circuits/transistors. If you don't have access to the manufacturing specifications, you'll be working entirely from trial and error with a vague suposition of how its _supposed_ to work, and then trying to match and optimise your results.Chaoswind said:
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Section 2, Combat Cyborg
I'm not Triggerhappy, but to me it's kinda obvious why that is so.DarkBlade said:
Immediately, Kirito needs to act. Taking the moment to gear up for heavy combat takes time, and time is of the essence given the VIP and the scenario. If they had been a few minutes later, Sakuya could have been executed, or the conspirators could have made their escape. He's already learned to compensate for the female form somewhat, and he can indeed use Fae magic in this form. The former was a stated and resolved issue during the Albion arc, and the latter was demonstrated in the same timeframe.
He knows he can fight competently in this form and he's got support, so there's no real hassle to be on top form for solo work. Plus, Midori is already heavily involved in tonight's affairs. Best to keep the charade up and participate, make it seem as though she's a genuine agent of the Tristainian Crown.
Strictly speaking, as a moderately famous individual amongst the faeries, Kirito's abilities and reputation precede him. If enemies know about this, they can exploit this reputation and prepare nasty traps and countermeasures in advance. As Midori, Kirito can pull tricks out of his bag without necessarily giving away the game, as long as he is careful about it, and foreign intelligence will spend time trying to find out who she is and what she is capable of, despite the fact that Midori literally disappears whenever she's not needed, wasting their time and resources.
By assuming the Midori form, Kirito is insulated from politically sensitive activities. The fact that the husband of the Faerie Princess Asuna is actively participating in the war can lead to some nasty repercussions down the line as people start to associate more power to him and try to entangle him in the Great Game. In addition, although Asuna can probably hold her own, by acting as Midori, Kirito can theoretically prevent people from targeting her in order to get to him, as the link between Asuna and Midori is professional and tenuous to say the least.
EDIT:
After the raid on the prison? Well, though the assault is over, Kirito is on the brink of exhaustion by now, acting flat out for the last few hours. He just wants to rest and it's not like being in female form is going to interfere with his sleep. He can always dispel and change in the morning anyway. It's no big deal.
Exsequens
I Ent Dead!
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*Primes fingers like Gendo.* ~ (Which is completely normal behavior coming from me.)Triggerhappy said:
Excellent.
Will there be a bedside scene? Who will be paying who the visit? Is there even one at all? Hopefully so.
BTW, just a question of opinion, a Fae with proficiency with many skills for many situations or a Fae who hones one technique to the level it can deal with many situations, which is more useful?
Triggerhappy
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Don't know, lets ask KinoExsequens said:
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The problem I see with this is that it requires there be mobs in the place, so far those are pretty much limited to the areas around the world tree. In addition the most they can do with most of the stronger mobs is annoy them to the point where they start chasing the pixies, which isn't something you want if you want the pixie able to return to the army encampment.Blinded said:
revanninja
Lost on the Road of Life
except mobs are all over the place that was a major point.Vaermina said:
Mobs are not just next to the tree or did you forget the Mobs near the village when the pixies where introduced? There was mobs there and it made it clear that the world tree was not close by.
Triggerhappy
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I think he means they wouldn't be available in Albion, which is true . . .revanninja said:
Shame about Lhamthanc though, that sucker would have been able to take out an army.
mdkcde
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Sir not-appearing-in-this-arc?Triggerhappy said:Don't know, lets ask Kino
Man, its a wonder how no one shipped Kino with Silica yet. Nah, it's probably better this way.
Triggerhappy
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See Argo's bestiary entry. Just hope they don't find anything in Lhamthanc's carcass . . .warlock7 said:
Anzer'ke
Anarchism Ho!
Well if they succeed in taking back Albion then breeding programs and such will mean mobs being brought to the place.Triggerhappy said:
Then there's natural migration and mobs that get accidentally transported in cargo shipments.
Certainly Albion is going to end up with some ALO Dragons eventually.
I for one am all for little baby Lhamthancs.Triggerhappy said:
mdkcde
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I hope they DO find something in the carcass.Triggerhappy said:
The worst thing it could happen is that the one they killed was male, and the female happens to be still out there, maybe laying her eggs.
Exsequens
I Ent Dead!
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- Back in the Toaster.
Well that was an unexpected answer. Then again Kino is the jack-of-all-skills of the SAO Survivors, perhaps it will be answered in time. Or not at all. Still, a good point was brought up, where's Kino and Silica, and is that ship going anywhere yet?Triggerhappy said:Don't know, lets ask Kino
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As for why I'm asking, I do from time to time work on Hama's combat-style, even if I have no time to write (I'll get to that, some day, hopefully.), so far I've wound up with something I view as 'unusual'. For starters his equipment choice (Primarily the fact he uses a recurve greatsword which is designed for offense.) is in contrast to his build as a defense Sylph, his flight speed is average for a Sylph but makes up with being very good at maneuvering, strafing and dodging. Basically he plays a tank with flight and evasion tacked on (Which I view odd here because tanks usually are supposed to tank damage not avoid it.).
Then slightly below that is that I wrote his offense to focus on counter-slashing, basically intercept and countering lethally (And with a greatsword crafted to emphasize speed and cutting power, that's not hard.), of course he knows well enough how to use the sword for standard offense if inefficiently due to the weapon's design but chooses to focus on developing the countering technique by mixing it with spells and other tactics to make it a counter-all-attack. Of course, it doesn't work on everything (Things too big to counter, attacks that can't be intercepted without Kirito's level of reaction time, and Eugene using Gram to prevent blade lock via Ethereal Shift and bisect him some time before Transition.)
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Of course there is the chance I touch not upon this again, but I do like to develop characters once written, even if I scrap and reuse bits and pieces later.
Phew, finally got that out of my system.
Inverness
The Foxiest Wife
an NPC said:
Just when I thought your standing couldn't raise any higher, you demonstrate yourself to be a man of even finer taste than previously observed. I salute thee.an NPC said:
revanninja
Lost on the Road of Life
yes and no depends on the boss.Sharpblade said:
There are 2 field bosses sometimes as in a twin boss fight kind of thing.
Also I recall from other MMOs that some field boss are a natural part of the area as a top predator so when the transfer happened it might have taken that and created more.
Its hard to say.
Well, remember that it is possible to make extremely high tolerance components by hand. People did it historically when making breechloaders prior to the advent of things like the Fergusson Rifle. The thing is, though, that that sort of endeavour is 'master craftsman spends years carefully crafting all the components and then minutely filing them so they they fit together exactly right,' and so is horrendously expensive. It also results in components that are not interchangeable, because the parts of each specific device have been specifically crafted to work together with the other bits of that device and no other.Nicholai said:Guys, it is worth noting that using a mage to build something is going to be like having a modern day potter make something.
I know several artisans (potters and others.) They cannot, by hand, turn out identical pieces. The human mind just isn't capable of it.
Would having a mage speed things along? Simplify things? Certainly.
There's also knowledge - like the "float glass" method to turn out glass with an even thickness - that the Halkegenians might not have. If they don't, then the Fae can provide that. Before "float glass" was invented glass was often bubbled, cracked, or warped & uneven when it was finished. Cracked glass could be melted down and recycled, but the rest was accepted because they didn't have any other choice.
Do me a favor, if you can - wander around your hometown and look at buildings that are more than a century old. If any of the windows are original components you'll see that the reflections in the glass are distorted. It's because the glass was "less perfect" than we can make in modern times.
The same thing can be said for metallurgy. In modern times we know about alloys that we didn't a hundred years ago. Aluminum was incredibly expensive when humanity first discovered how to extract it from other ores in the 1800's. A few decades later and someone found a new, inexpensive way to separate aluminum from other materials and it became incredibly cheap. There's a reason that many drinks are sold in aluminum cans - the process is just that cheap!
These days aluminum is used for everything from heat sinks to food containers to construction materials. I remember a time, a few decades back, when aluminum racing bikes were all the rage in the U.S. - California specifically - because they were light-weight. (These days they use even lighter materials.)
What else can the Fae show the Tristainians?
.. and when can we see it in story?
Light help us, a few enterprising Fae, a few contacts in Tristain and beyond, and Lord Rute's economic knowledge ..
Lord Rute: You know where you failed, Mr. Villain?
Mr. Villain: Damn you, Rute!
Lord Rute: You wanted to conquer the world.
Mr. Villain: And what about you? I've seen your mercenary armies, your death-squads!
Lord Rute: Death squads?
You can make extremely complicated machines that require very high tolerances with hand tools. It's just that they're so expensive you can't actually use them unless you're a king with a breech-loading hunting rifle. Certainly, you couldn't use them to roll out any sort of communications infrastructure.
End Bringer
Keeping it logical
Brimir help them all if Cardinal gave some of them the ability to reproduce asexually.revanninja said:
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I just hope none of them are the 90's Godzilla.
Blinded
I'm... impressed I suppose.
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
Actually there's a good chance that mobs can reproduce asexually, Pixies being the prime example of this sort of Mobs, and one can not dismiss the chances of Cardinal "respawning" certain mobs under specific circumstances. After all she is guardian of ALfheim, not just faeries and pixies.
There's a real possibility than any boss which is not "One-time event" will be respawned after a while. Fortunately it is more like that Man-Eater field boss ( a new one made from seed/spores of the one Eugene offed?) from the very beginning of HalO than real Kaiju-class beasties like Lhamthanc or Octavia.
Sinsystems
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Plus some of them would probably take a while to reach adulthood. So I foresee the Man-Eater starting out as a sprout and slowly growing bigger....Blinded said:
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Mortimer found a new hobby . . . BanzaiSinsystems said: